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What do you know about “St Paul”.
What do you believe about “St Paul”
What do you think about “St Paul”
Do you have evidence about “St Paul”
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I know Jesus of Nazareth is an historical figure whose existence can be verified by sources outside the Church, I know what he said and did has been attested to by eyewitnesses selected by him, I know those eyewitnesses verified that Paul, formerly known as Saul of Tarsus, was teaching what those witnesses taught. He spent himself for the faith, he lived a model life, he died for the faith, a martyr, and so he is accepted by the Church as a model Christian: a saint. More to the point of this discussion, letters attributed to him have been assessed by those who have received the duty to pass on the faith from the Apostles, and those writings have been put into the canon of Sacred Scriptures on their own merit (regardless of whether they were written by St. Paul himself or written by a disciple as being part of his teaching, it wouldn’t matter), giving them a level of trust higher than a typical piece of writing put to paper by a saint.

Those eyewitnesses say that Jesus of Nazareth, who history says was crucified by the Roman government, rose from the dead, appeared to them and told them to spread his Good News to the world and to baptize them into the faith. That is testimony I believe based on faith, which is the “evidence of things not seen,” as the passage I posted explains.

I contend that every sort of evidence requires a person to take in information and assess its veracity. You may not accept the way I do that, and I accept that. I’m only saying that just because it requires faith to believe something does not mean it is not reasonable to believe it. I know some people say they don’t believe anything without evidence, but in reality they don’t have any choice but to put faith into all sorts of things, like that the source of their food is safe and so on. The standards of truth some philosophers claim they have is a recipe for paranoia. Having said that, that is my assessment and I accept that other thinkers don’t accept my take on it. That’s the way it goes. I could get ten witnesses of the exact same event, and they wouldn’t all agree. That’s the way life is for a limited being.

The physical evidence of the universe, by the way, has been interpreted so as to trace the trajectory of energy and matter back to a singularity popularly know as The Big Bang. Do you think that theory (which was first proposed by a priest-physicist, named Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, interestingly enough) holds water? If so, how do you know what existed prior to the Big Bang? How do you know where that singularity came from or what the nature of energy and matter was prior to the Big Bang? I’d be interested to know what your evidence is for your belief or theory that convinces you that you know what happened back through an infinite amount of time.
 
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Then, you are disagreeing with what we can observe and prove, which is that the universe did come from nothing. You choose to disregard that, then give the consequences of disregarding it.

Please send reference location of your stated “proof”
 
“I know what he said and did has been attested to by eyewitnesses
selected selected by him.”

Now, that is something solid.
 
Then, you are disagreeing with what we can observe and prove, which is that the universe did come from nothing. You choose to disregard that, then give the consequences of disregarding it.

Please send reference location of your stated “proof”
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I think I missed something. Who proved that, and how?

Frankenfurter said, i asked for where i can see what he stated.
i’m not too good on the typewriter
 
younique said:
To me, pi goes on for infinity, but i don’t have evidence.
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PI goes on for infinity? Where do you get this idea. Pi is an irrational number, ie it is not by a ratio of any two integers. As such, one can not represent it as a decimal number (or any other base number system). But there is nothing infinite about it. It is simply the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of any circle.
 
Yes we have evidence. We have his letters, and we have a witnesses’s, Luke, writing of his ministry.
 
Forever implies time. Even if the universe is infinite with regards to time, it is not eternal, hence it could have still been created.
 
younique said:
“I know what he said and did has been attested to by eyewitnesses
selected selected by him.”

Now, that is something solid.
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Some find it sufficient; some do not. Having said that, when you have 12 eyewitnesses and 11 of them are willing to be put to death for the story they’re telling–and 11 of the 12 Apostles were martyrs; they didn’t send other people out to die for their story–it adds credence. In the end, though, there is faith involved.
 
To me it’s still what Jesus said at the gathering for his 21st
birthday, that was attested to by those seven witnesses,
that is the best message, ever.
 
younique said:
To me it’s still what Jesus said at the gathering for his 21st birthday, that was attested to by those seven witnesses, that is the best message, ever.
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I don’t think you’ll find any contemporary historians to corroborate a bit of it, let’s just say that.
 
As you find out more about the disciple Bartolomew, it will come to light. There’s an awful lot to know about the relationship of Jesus
and Bartolomew.
 
younique said:
As you find out more about the disciple Bartolomew, it will come to light. There’s an awful lot to know about the relationship of Jesus
and Bartolomew.
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Apparently I have my sources whose word I take on faith and you have yours.
If your tongue isn’t too far in your cheek to talk, do tell what was said at that memorable gathering.
 
“When the day comes, a long time from now, when my father has revealed how to make computer chips, google -eyewitness testimony”
 
The astronomer Robert Jastrow explains to us that “three lines of evidence – the motions of galaxies, the laws of thermodynamics, and the life story of the stars – pointed to one conclusion: all indicated that the universe had a beginning” ( God and the Astronomers , p.111).

In my understanding, the standard model of how the universe ‘works’ makes sense when we interpret what we can see as a result of an initial event of creation.

Going before that event is unobservable to us so of no use. Theories are certainly possible.

There is of course nothing about theories of the universe that can prove or disprove God.
 
younique said:
To me, pi goes on for infinity, but i don’t have evidence.
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Why do you believe this? You have no evidence for it. Apparently you are taking this on faith. I don’t understand why you want to take this on faith. Why should anyone take something on faith when they have no evidence for it?
 
Science does not work on faith. Science works on most likely with
the results seen.
Pi has been extended to billions of positions, most likely it just continues.
To me. the big bang is just a spec of/in the “universe”
but who am i,

meinfinitist
 
What does abortion have to do with the existence of God? You’re supposed to keep posts on topic for each thread.
 
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