Of course natural causes work. But are you perhaps missing the point that the applications of natural causes have made a huge shift in the eyes of ordinary folk off CAF? Especially the folk who are overwhelmed by scientific lingo and prime time news bits?
As I pointed out and I will explain a tad further since “quote-mining” may be a local CAF term and thus unfamiliar.
Would it make more sense if I said that two, sole, true human founders of the entire human species are currently being attacked by mountains of popular opinions regarding figurative language and the Catholic Deposit of Faith?
They are not two water-tight compartments since natural causes entirely fall under God’s Providence, and I don’t see a contradiction. Also, you should learn a bit more about Catholic theology. Studying Communion and Stewardship, also paragraphs 68 and 69 of the document, should help:
Unfortunately, quote-mining is not local to CAF - it is, in fact, a widespread internet phenomenon. It’s become a more-or-less standard tactic to misrepresent an opponent’s arguments or point of view.
The points in the dogmas are standalone, there is no context to consider. No one can possibly misunderstand that “God actively participates in all the actions.” It means what it says: “God actively participates in every murder, rape and torture.” This is not what I came up with, it is the official dogma of the catholic church.
You wonder who is defending the true teaching on Adam and Eve. We can start with every bishop, priest, religious sister, RCIA teacher, theologian and lay catechist in the world. They are required to teach that truth. If the question is: “Are our Catholic teachers actually teaching the Faith correctly with truth and orthodoxy of doctrine”? That’s a different topic for research.
And on CAF – but yes, good points. That is a major problem.
Nope. I think ID purposefully undermines classical, Catholic theology since the Fathers of the Church.
I like the US, but on my visits no one has put their hand over their heart and sang the Battle Hymn of the Republic while they enjoy drinking Coca Cola.Well, I like the beautiful nation of Spain and the many good people there. Some of them have even come to the U.S. and they enjoy drinking Coca Cola with us here.
History’s not my strong point but I thought it began in the English Separatists. Enlighten me.I think the gentleman from France who started your denomination had some very strong views on Free Will.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Rom 1:20
I said everything is designed by God. How is that not saying anything?
The roots of intelligent design go way back.
Remember though, when you’re building a syllogism to prove the existence of God, you have to prove many different concepts. The classical philosophical proofs do not go directly to the Trinity or the divinity of Christ.
Everything that begins to exist is contingent.
Every contingent being must have a cause for its existence.
The cause of each contingent being's existence must be something other than itself.
The set of all contingent beings cannot be the cause of its own existence.
Therefore, what causes contingent beings must be a necessary being.
Therefore, a necessary being exists.Ok, my mistake. I was was thinking about Calvinist Baptist congregations who deny the existence of free will.
ID was invented in 1987, by disappointed young earth creationists. We have indelible proof – a friend of mine, Nick Matzke – found the smoking gun. pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/11/missing-link-cd.html
Well of course that well known center of civilization, the Discovery Institute, would try that one on.
Interesting and unique point. Yes, I can agree, certainly. But we are also called to give a defense of the truths we believe. So, we do not need proofs for ourselves, but for those who deny that God’s invisible qualities can be clearly seen in the things He has made.
It renders “design” somewhat meaningless. You have to distinguish design from non-design.I said everything is designed by God. How is that not saying anything?
If we could correct one thing in your repeated statement, then that alone would be good progress.
But ID deliberately doesn’t talk of a necessary being, it talks of its intelligent agent instead since it has to pretend to be secular, and that is the deceit at its heart.
Beautiful.
You know some interesting people.