Evidence that Jesus is not GOD and should not be worshipped.

[sara888]

The poster on the priest-suicide thread is a Muslim who’s been around here for quite a while - keeps getting back in under different usernames and keeps getting himself banned for his efforts. Always manages to regurgitate a lot of the same stuff regardless of what the original topic of the thread may be.

Pity the fool.

**Thanks Lily,

AngelJan… I am under my old username that I had with CAF last year…**

 

[TimOliv]

Hmmm…let’s see what exactly Jesus was talking about:

Matt 15:1-11 -

Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They do not wash (their) hands when they eat a meal.” He said to them in reply, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and ‘Whoever curses father or mother shall die.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to father or mother, “Any support you might have had from me is dedicated to God,” need not honor his father.’ You have nullified the word of God for the sake of your tradition. Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy about you when he said: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.’” He summoned the crowd and said to them, “Hear and understand. It is not what enters one’s mouth that defiles that person; but what comes out of the mouth is what defiles one.”

Sorry…I just don’t see where Christ is denying His divinity! He’s speaking mainly of those who say they follow God, but do not fully subscribe to it by focusing on actions of man, not actions of the heart.

Looking where a single verse lies in context to the entire passage is essential in understanding what the author is trying to say. They did teach you this in school, didn’t they??

Right, but Islam only makes sense when you take things out of context and try to manipulate them. If you don’t do that, then the whole thing falls apart.

Islam would have a great thing going on if any of it were true and Muhammad was actually a prophet.

 

[LilyM]

**Thanks Lily,

AngelJan… I am under my old username that I had with CAF last year…**

uh huh … hi by the way!

Been thinking of changing my own username lately, but we shall see. Theres a thread around somewhere on how to do it anyways, if you want to go back to AngelJan.

 

[sara888]

uh huh … hi by the way!

Been thinking of changing my own username lately, but we shall see. Theres a thread around somewhere on how to do it anyways, if you want to go back to AngelJan.

**
Hi Lily,
Ok, I will look, CAF gave me my old username from last year. After the site went back up I could not use my current username.

I am glad CAF is back up, it was too long… .Jan**

 

[hosemonkey]

As someone said earlier, why bother to respond to the same old attacks that have already been responded to? Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormans, Moslems… False religions, false prophets, false beliefs. Satan has many guises and he raises up false religions and false prophets to accomplish his work. The practitioners of these false religions must be prayed for… but guarded against. Please remember that it is the objective of Islam to convert… by persuasion, or by the sword. I will keep my own sword sharp.

 

[AJV]

Warning from Jesus in the bible for the lip service Christianity, the lip service following.

Matthew 15:
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 " ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’"

Evidence that Jesus is not GOD and should not be worshipped.

Hit the road Jack and never come back no more,no more no more.What you say?

Peace

Gurrato…now couldn’t we Christians refer to these verses as referring to Islam?

And people, not being patronising or anything…but I think gurrato, rather than being a hostile anti-Catholic, may be as sincere in hoping that we see the truth (according to him) as we are in hoping he sees the Truth. Just my two cents.

 

[corvidae]

I may just be jumping here, but Jesus was quoting Isaiah, He was not saying I am not God and the pharisees are worshiping me, He was saying the pharisees are not worshiping God.

Read it as a quote from the old testament, Isaiah was speaking for God, which was the job of a prophet, and in speaking Gods word, he was completing his mission.

Jesus is saying nothing about HIS divinity here, he is saying these people are worshiping their own customs rather than what God has passed down.

A lone Raven

 

[TobyLue]

GA wrote

Yes we believe that the bible has been corrupted, we don’t have problem with verses that agree 100% with Islam. Especially why we try to prove some thing to you.
And that quote agrees with Islam:

I mentioned this sometime back and I’ll say it again, you have this alllllllll wrong and bass ackwards.
Let’s, for example, take the following from Shakespeare

“To be or not to be, --that is the question:–
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?”

If Joe Blo comes along about 50 years after Shakespeare and writes the Hamlet play again and says “To be it is not to be, that is the final answer”. Would you say that Shakespeare’s Hamlet does not agree with Joe Blo or that Joe Blo does not agree with Shakespeare? Of course everybody would say that Joe Blo got it wrong and he is the one that does not agree with Shakespeare because Shakespeare wrote Hamlet many years before Joe Blo. Shakespeare wrote it & he should know better.

When you say that you will accept Bible verse when they agree with Islam is all wrong. The Bible came about 300 years before Islam, so it’s the other way around buddy. The Bible agrees with what was being taught by the Church from its inception. If it did not agree it was rejected. So the Bible does NOT contradict the teachings of the Early Church. If Islam was to be accepted it HAD to agree with the Bible, not the other way around. Anything that contradicts the Bible has to be rejected. Thus any teaching in Islam which came 600 years after Christianity started, MUST be rejected because THEY are the ones that do not agree with the Bible.

I found this & I saw it explained in a similar way some years ago. Here’s the relevant passage: “And a ruler asked him (Jesus), 'Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? nd Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.’” (Luke 18:18-19)
I can understand the confusion. On the surface, it seems like Jesus is claiming not to be good, and not be God. But actually, He’s asking why the man is calling him good, when the man actually doesn’t believe He is (reading on in Luke 18, you’ll see that this man favors his own wealth over Jesus). Essentially, Jesus is saying, “If you don’t believe I’m God, then why are you addressing me in a term that ultimately applies to God alone?”
It’s true that people can be ‘good’, but only in a relative sense. Someone who is charitable and loving would be someone most of us would call ‘good’. However, in relation to God, none of us are good. We’re all sinners, and none of us are so good that we deserve to be with God. It’s only through the forgiveness of God through the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross that we are united with God. Ultimately, only God is good, and (as Jesus is saying here) only those who recognize Jesus as God have the right to call Him good.
(Emphasis mine) So be careful when you mention Jesus and type PUBH after His name.

 

[exoflare]

I thought it was especially mature how the OP concluded his post with:

Hit the road Jack and never come back no more,no more no more.What you say?