Evil comic books?

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You are too cynical. Pray and ask God for the power of the Holy Spirit. God’s promises to help us are more powerful than any barrier that stands in our way. In order to do good, we must imitate Christ who spoke to men he identified as having faith and those he identified as evil. There are atheists here; some out of curiosity, others to stir up trouble. I assure you, I am not only talking to Catholics.

Peace,
Ed
I could be wrong, but don’t you think that God has already given us the way to conquer this barrier but we’re not just willing to risk trying it? Not all castles are conquered via catapult and battering ram.
FInd me, in the Chatechism, the Scriptures, Enyclical, or othe Church document where it is ok to go along with the immorality of the secular world. I am not passing judgement on all anime and manga, but the anime and manga that is overly violent or contains nudity.For example, “Initial D” ans “Science Ninja Team Gatchaman.” The use of nudity just to broaden your sales base is selling out to the Prince of Darkness. Period.
Not “get along”, infiltrate. Tell me, have you ever heard of a foreign spy who wore the colors of his national flag while undercover?
Reaching out to the world is not making them think that we are just like them, but showing how we are different. I am an author as well, and I have come to terms with the fact that my books will never be best sellers in a world hostile to the Catholic Church. If no one can tell the difference between your work and the work of someone who isn’t Catholic, you are doing something wrong.
But that is my point. How can we say to God that we put our talents to good use when all we’ve done is use it preaching to those who are already in His Church? How can we spread the message to all when our books hardly even leave store shelves? Personally, I might as well have been spent my life preaching to air.
 
You are still being very cynical. Christ did not infiltrate anywhere, He spoke openly. You have the internet and access to the world. Do you think bookstore shelves are the only outlet for your work?

Peace,
Ed
 
Not “get along”, infiltrate. Tell me, have you ever heard of a foreign spy who wore the colors of his national flag while undercover?
By this logic you could justify dealing drugs, running a brothel or producing porn, just by usung the exuse you ar “infiltrating”! You have yet to show justification from either the Scripyures or Holy Tradition. However Romans 12:1-2 gives a good reason why you should cjose a differnt path.
 
I’m probably coming in a little late in the game here, but it seems to me that a lot of the more heated posts in this thread are attempting to talk about the same subject without some sort of common terminology. Basically, the original poster works in the comics industry, and is therefore an authority of sorts with regards to that medium, while several other posters are probably familiar with comics in a passing sort of way, encountering them in their most ubiquitous forms: superhero comics, newspaper comic strips, or the film and animation adaptations of both. In other words, these posts are stuck in a sort of linguistic quagmire in which both sides are using different connotations of the same word.

Its important to understand, first and foremost, that “comics” denotes a medium, not a genre. The same way in which media like film can comprise many different genres (drama, adventure, romantic comedy, etc.) “comics” simply denotes - and I’m stealing equally from Will Eisner and Scott McCloud for this - an art form that utilizes sequential art, most often in conjunction with text, to convey a story. Comics, therefore, are not inherently frivolous, virtuous, titillating, boring, moral, or immoral - they are another way in which people can convey information through narrative.

“Manga,” then, is a style of comics that also transcends genre. Just like most people are familiar with western comics through Superman, Batman, and other Superhero comics, most westerners are familiar with the Japanese manga style through the increasingly ubiquitous action manga that appears in Barnes and Noble and in animated form on Saturday Morning Television. There are a wide variety of subjects and styles within manga, it it would be imprudent to judge the whole category based on a few examples.

Morality becomes an issue more of production and perception, then, than an issue of whether or not comics or manga are inherently moral; they can be no more or less inherently moral than any other media can be considered moral. It would be an extreme position to brand all works within a medium somehow deficient, saying for instance that “all motion pictures are frivolous or titillating.” Many motion pictures are in fact both frivolous and titilating, but there are many that are neither, and some that can contain great moral truths. As to whether or not comics are a more effective medium than others to convey these truths, that is a whole other debate.

There are many good, morally sound comics out there, and even some that are overtly Catholic; in fact, from 1946 to 1963 there was a comic called Catholic Comics that was an instructive comic geared towards children. Along those same lines, Marvel Comics in the late seventies and early eighties ran three single-issue comics about the lives of St. Francis, Mother Theresa, and His Holiness John Paul II (these are pretty amusing, especially since the style they are drawn in is standard Draw-Comics-the-Marvel-Way, so that when St. Francis receives the gifts of the stigmata it looks like a crucifix is shooting lasers at him). In the category of manga, I found a manga in a Heathrow Airport bookstore about the life of Mother Theresa that is both morally sound and stylistically very Japanese, right-to-left pagination and all. Religious subjects continue to be rendered in the comics medium, as another life of John Paul II was published in 2005, complete with an introduction by Jose Cardinal Martins. (If anyone out there has someone ages 7 - whenever this would make a great Christmas Gift - for teens I would recommend “Marked,” Steve Ross’s visually arresting take on the Gospel according to Saint Mark, which uses a stark black-and-white underground comics style to both tell the gospel and decry consumer culture at the same time.)

To the original poster, I would say good luck with your ventures into the industry - it can be remarkably cutthroat, and often in the name of revenues you will be asked to include subject matter that you might find distasteful. As long as you feel you haven’t compromised your own values or the values of your readers, you’ve done okay; remember that good storytelling and an original, distinctive style will sell more books than pandering to the adolescent masses will. If you’ve got a website, throw the url into a post on here because I’d love to see your work, and the best of luck to you.

Sorry for the insanely long post, but thanks for your time.

God Bless!**
 
I have spoken with Will Eisner, Jim Steranko and Jack Kirby. My company was interested in licensing properties in manga.

Manga are just comic books, nothing more. The message they should contain is one that is Godly, not worldly. I have seen the sexually perverted manga being brought to English speaking countries that is reflective of a growing decadence and a lack of a proper perception of right and wrong. I am also friends with artists who work in the comics industry today, including those who use a manga style.

Comic books are a medium that can be used for good or to promote the dysfunctional, the vague and indifferent. I encourage you to use your talent to promote the things that lift up the human spirit and that contain some virtue.

Peace,
Ed
 
I’m probably coming in a little late in the game here, but it seems to me that a lot of the more heated posts in this thread are attempting to talk about the same subject without some sort of common terminology. Basically, the original poster works in the comics industry, and is therefore an authority of sorts with regards to that medium,

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To the original poster, I would say good luck with your ventures into the industry - it can be remarkably cutthroat, and often in the name of revenues you will be asked to include subject matter that you might find distasteful. As long as you feel you haven’t compromised your own values or the values of your readers, you’ve done okay; remember that good storytelling and an original, distinctive style will sell more books than pandering to the adolescent masses will. If you’ve got a website, throw the url into a post on here because I’d love to see your work, and the best of luck to you.

Sorry for the insanely long post, but thanks for your time.

God Bless!
Thank you very much for your concern, but I’m not going into the comic book industry; I’m a high-school student who just happens to particularly enjoy Japanese culture, that’s all. I know that Japan is not a very Catholic country but I hope that by studying its vastly different culture, I can come to understand the Catholic truths (as strange and paradoxical as that sounds).
And from edwest2,
Comic books are a medium that can be used for good or to promote the dysfunctional, the vague and indifferent. I encourage you to use your talent to promote the things that lift up the human spirit and that contain some virtue.
Even though I’m not a manga artist and still just a student, I shall do my best! Thank you!
Peace.
 
Oh my, what a long thread. I hope I am not intruding! I don’t post much so please pardon any newbie blunders. 😊

But, in regards to Love Hina and Negima:

Love Hina I haven’t seen/read and can’t really comment on. But, I did pick up a few volumes of Negima from the library awhile ago; the cover art just looked so cute! And the manga IS really cute . . . but also, IMHO, somewhat, ah, pervy (not the best term, but the first one that came to mind when I read it). Its not the nudity itself that makes it so, but rather the constant panty shots, cleavage, and innuendo. I dunno, the concept of a sweet ten (?) year old boy being the teacher to a class of busty junior high girls that are constantly “exposing” themselves (by accident, of course) and many of whom have crushes on him seems rather iffy. As a straight female, I find it more annoying and laughable than sexy, but, if I were a mom I probably wouldn’t let any boys I had read this.

I do understand the appeal though; it is an interesting story and the art is super cute. Manga and comics really vary so much by series, I wouldn’t try to lump them all into one category anyway.
 
Fan-service and ecchi manga/anime (panty shots, cleavage shots, nudity, suggestive materal, sexual themes, etc.) are occassions of sin. And we must avoid all occassions of sin.

If you wish to endanger your soul by reading manga or watching anime which includes even a little occassion of sin, than you will reap what you sow. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Satan knows how to mix truth and lies, by the way; he knows how to confuse souls.
 
Oh my, what a long thread. I hope I am not intruding! I don’t post much so please pardon any newbie blunders. 😊

But, in regards to Love Hina and Negima:

Love Hina I haven’t seen/read and can’t really comment on. But, I did pick up a few volumes of Negima from the library awhile ago; the cover art just looked so cute! And the manga IS really cute . . . but also, IMHO, somewhat, ah, pervy (not the best term, but the first one that came to mind when I read it). Its not the nudity itself that makes it so, but rather the constant panty shots, cleavage, and innuendo. I dunno, the concept of a sweet ten (?) year old boy being the teacher to a class of busty junior high girls that are constantly “exposing” themselves (by accident, of course) and many of whom have crushes on him seems rather iffy. As a straight female, I find it more annoying and laughable than sexy, but, if I were a mom I probably wouldn’t let any boys I had read this.

I do understand the appeal though; it is an interesting story and the art is super cute. Manga and comics really vary so much by series, I wouldn’t try to lump them all into one category anyway.
Don’t get me started on Negima. Apparently the ecchi fanservice is worst in the first few collected volumes because the magazine told the author they wanted something just like Love Hina, but then after a while he started doing what he wanted, which was a magical action series with just enough panty shot **** in there to make his boss happy.

Speaking of magical action manga that are deeply creepy: Loveless? I enjoy the pictures, but the shotacon overtones are bizarre enough that I had to buy the manga in Japanese to enjoy the art without the inconvenient plot getting in the way. Yes, Negima also has the shota going on, but it’s clear that the reader’s supposed to identify with Negi, who’s *surrounded by hot teenage girls *(which every teenage boy is supposed to want). Loveless it’s genuinely not clear whether the reader’s supposed to be identifying with the twelve-year-old boy, or with his dead brother’s college-age boyfriend who’s treating him as a replacement goldfish and, while he never does anything sexual, becomes more and more possessive. Either way it’s squicky, but teenage girls love it (it’s one of Tokyopop’s big shojo titles besides Fruits Basket). I don’t get it.
 
You are still being very cynical. Christ did not infiltrate anywhere, He spoke openly. You have the internet and access to the world. Do you think bookstore shelves are the only outlet for your work?

Peace,
Ed
It’s even worse on the net. Just look at YouTube. Another similar example is the art site where I upload some of my work (deviantArt). It’s overrun run with secularists. The same goes for every other public domain.
By this logic you could justify dealing drugs, running a brothel or producing porn, just by usung the exuse you ar “infiltrating”! You have yet to show justification from either the Scripyures or Holy Tradition. However Romans 12:1-2 gives a good reason why you should cjose a differnt path.
Ahh, but that’s the challenge I want to overcome. Drawing the line and doing it cautiously. While an overdose of fan service and violence is definitely bad (as I’ve seen in some works), I’ve seen works that are “family friendly” end up being too mundane or too kiddie.
… Either way it’s squicky, but teenage girls love it (it’s one of Tokyopop’s big shojo titles besides Fruits Basket). I don’t get it.
Its called Yaoi-itus. It affects fan girls who have an obsession for excessively handsome bishounen. ._.

Its counterpart is Yuri-itus. Which affects the crowd that fall for fan service manga like Negima.
 
If it inspires sexual thoughts, don’t read it. You don’t have to understand a thing about Japanese culture to know that if it leads to sin, stay away.

And don’t buy the “it’s art” argument. I’ve seen that one used plenty of times. Only be concerned about how it affects you.

Peace,
Ed

That rules out a great amount of Western art, & a lot of the Bible,which is full of really bad stuff: it almost begins with nudity - & goes downhill from there: incest, adultery, rape, etc. Yet this is the book that is recommended to children. A subscription to “Playboy” would be safer: that lot do at least not claim divine inspiration. For sex’n’violence (lots of both), that is the book to read.​

 
As a comic book lover, I’ll throw my two cents in. The fact that magic is being portrayed in a fictional manner is what makes it, in my eyes, ok to read about. It’s not as if comic books are advocating that you use magic and pray to false gods, etc. in your daily life.

It’s no worse than The Wizard of Oz or stories about Merlin. Just exercise caution, and if it’s leading you down a slippery slope, axe it. If you can handle it with maturity, then enjoy it (but don’t be suprised when you have to defend your practices).

Is this about to turn into a Harry Potter thread 😃 ?​

 
Its called Yaoi-itus. It affects fan girls who have an obsession for excessively handsome bishounen. ._.

Its counterpart is Yuri-itus. Which affects the crowd that fall for fan service manga like Negima.
I’ve got a pretty bad case of yaoi-itis (only for non-canon gay; I really don’t like BL shows but there’s a reason I call it “Gaynkutsuou”), but the problem with Loveless isn’t necessarily the gay, it’s the fangirls thinking it’s romantic that Soubi has made himself emotionally dependent on a twelve-year-old boy. It’s like how Twilight fans give Edward a pass for some of his more disturbing behavior because he’s so attractive.
 
“A Contract with God” is not a comic book and I would never allow anyone under 21 to read it.

You have a strange idea of morality. The Comics Code Authority had to be created to prevent objectionable material from appearing in comics. The kind of sexuality you refer to Kirby using had to pass muster with the Comics Code. As far as portraying women, there was once a concept called glamour (of which Eisner’s early work had some) that has disappeared from the media. It was purposely not explicit. And “shy” is not a word that is used or practiced much either. If you’ve read any of Kirby’s or Eisner’s interviews, you would know that they were professionals producing a professional commercial product under the restraints of those who employed them.

As a professional writer and a Catholic, intellectually engaging material can, and is, being written that follows Christian moral principles. For Catholics, a work has to contain some virtue (another missing word in the media). A properly formed conscience is also required. If you are not Catholic, which is no criticism of you, then you may believe such ideas are not valid. But for the religious creative individual they are the wellspring and inspiration.

Peace,
Ed
 
Mybe I’m just dumb, but how can a comic story that revolves around oedophelia be considered moral in any way? If you want comics that are truly imprtant works, read Art Speiegelman’s Maus and Maus II. I will not endorse all od Spiegelman’s work, but these are superb. Making excuse for explicit sex and violence in comics is deplorable.
 
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