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Do you mean Christendom College?
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StAnastasia
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You know, buffalo, I too have no problem with guilt. I only suffer twinges of conscience about this lack of guilt.
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StA - you have thousands of books that you have read and you ask this?
Not the college. When do you think the high point of Christendom was?
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StAnastasia
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You weren’t specific. It depends on how you define “Christendom.” By that term do you mean the Christian religion? Christian culture? Christian society? Byzantium? The medieval conception of of a balanced imperium and sacerdotium? Do you mean the high point in terms of worship? or of sacred literature? or of monastic expansion? or of ecclesiastical architecture? or of intellectual development? or of geopolitical hegemony? Do you mean this pre- or post-European reconaissance and its global missionary efforts?
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Tim, the bankruptcy of YEC is suggested by the latest argument circulating in TEXAS creationist circles: "“Jeffrey Dahmer accepted evolution, and he cooked and ate people.”
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Grannymh, of course you’re right that this is a high point in the Christian spiritual experience. I was interpreting the question in the sense of the historical term “Christendom.”Participating at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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The_Barbarian
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Value-neutral plumbing, too! Every plumbing job should be… um, exactly how do you do plumbing with values?
Is it possible that plumbing isn’t about values, but rather is merely about moving fluids through pipes?
Why would you expect it to have “values” as an intrinsic part of plumbing?
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To The Barbarian -
Ah, back to plumbing.
How about back to “science”? You know, human origins science? The kind concerned with man’s supposed common ancestor?
Let’s see - plumbing. No human origins content.
Human origins - Evolution. There’s a connection I’m told.
Supposedly, thanks to random mutations and a series of natural selections, man’s brain became more and more god ready until one day - poof - he could experience some vague, generic, nondescript god concept.
Give me a break.
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Ah, back to plumbing.
How about back to “science”? You know, human origins science? The kind concerned with man’s supposed common ancestor?
Let’s see - plumbing. No human origins content.
Human origins - Evolution. There’s a connection I’m told.
Supposedly, thanks to random mutations and a series of natural selections, man’s brain became more and more god ready until one day - poof - he could experience some vague, generic, nondescript god concept.
Give me a break.
Peace,
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Yep. I know. Hydraulics doesn’t threaten your personal ideas about scripture. So you don’t mind that some science is value-free, just the kind that scares you.
Hydraulics is a science. Plumbing, especially trouble-shooting, does exactly what science does.
You mean Pope Benedict’s take on it?
Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens.
Not a problem for a Catholic. It’s a problem for some non-Catholics, though.
You’re trying to use science for theology again. It won’t work. Pope Benedict, again.
In the Catholic perspective, neo-Darwinians who adduce random genetic variation and natural selection as evidence that the process of evolution is absolutely unguided are straying beyond what can be demonstrated by science.
In other words, you can’t use science that way. It just won’t work.
I’m doing that. But you have to come to an accommodation with reality, at some point.
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rad314
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No, that’s not the ‘human population’. There were human beings and there were PHOMS. And no, I don’t have to be happy with it; all I have to do is accept that it may have been so. I’m not aware of anything to indicate that it could not have been so.
Why would it have to have been ‘many many’ generations?
What’s the difficulty?
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Incidentally, I have no problem incorporating the conclusion presented in the article cited in #519 into my scenario. But then, I’m a Catholic – I believe in miracles. Anyone who objects to miracles should start by explaining the existence of matter.
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reggieM
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The Holy See has condemned “several” evolutionary theories. The plumbing analogy fails.
But this point has been refuted about 20 times to the same person, so I think we can draw a conclusion about the person on that basis.
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reggieM
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My faith depends on the Truth. The philosophy of atheistic-materialism is not true and is an enemy of the Faith.
Therefore, certainly in Catholic schools at least, the promotion of atheistic-materialism should be banned.
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The_Barbarian
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The Holy See has condemned “several” theories about stars, such as astrology. It has not, however, condemned evolutionary theory as scientists know it, nor is astronomy condemned. In fact your Pope has told you that evolutionary theory is “virtually certain” as it applies to common descent of all living things on Earth.
The Holy See has also condemned magical attempts to find water. But it has condemned neither evolution nor plumbing. You are trying to conflate things like astrology with astronomy, plumbing with dowsing, and evolution with philosophical materialism. It’s very transparent. Everyone sees it.
See above. The only difference is, your individual interpretation of scripture isn’t threatened by the idea of hydraulics.
But if it was, you’d be arguing that plumbing was about dowsing, and assailing the Vatican for having flush toilets, as you have been outraged that the Church teaches there is no conflict between evolution and our faith.
I think everyone here has it figured out, reggie.
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Name us some Catholic schools that promote “atheistic materialism.” Include checkable sources. I’m sure the bishop in each case would like to hear about it.
If you want to make such accusations, it is incumbent on you to substantiate your accusation, or admit that it is false.
Which will you do?
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StAnastasia
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I do a lot of work with Catholic schools, and I have never once heard of of a single one promoting atheistic materialism. I assume you have no experience with Catholic education yourself, which is why you can take the cowardly action of throwing out a pathetic and baseless accusation, contemptuously impugning the work of dedicated religious and lay teachers alike.
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The_Barbarian
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Easier to accuse people than it is to support the accusations, I guess. It’s a shame.
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The Barbarian, I have dedicated my career to Catholic education (I’ve been a teacher since 1980), and it is galling to hear people who are utterly ignorant of that field pontificating about imagined evils they fantasize teachers are subjecting children to.
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reggieM
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Your assumption is wrong.
Beyond that, the fact that you teach in a Catholic school is ample validation of my concerns about Catholic education these days.
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