EVOLUTION: A Catholic Solution?

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To my brothers and sisters in Christ -

Do not believe those who interpret the Bible as a bunch of symbols or who offer their opinion as having a meaning somehow greater or better than what the Church has taught the faithful. Read your Catechism and understand what the Church teaches. Guard yourself from error and false opinions, especially those given anonymously on the internet.

Be sober, be vigilant because your adversary the devil goes about like a roaring lion seeking whom he might devour.

Stand firm on the knowledge given to you by your shepherds in the Church.

Peace,
Ed
 
buffalo said:
Then Human Generis is wrong?
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“Wrong” is your word, not mine. It’s neither more more less “wrong” than the Church’s condemnation of Galileo, or the medieval Church’s justification of the burning of women accused of witchcraft.
 
StAnastasia said:
“Wrong” is your word, not mine. It’s neither more more less “wrong” than the Church’s condemnation of Galileo, or the medieval Church’s justification of the burning of women accused of witchcraft.
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Your claim is the constant teaching of the Church is in error.

We got it wrong folks. With our scientific enlightenment we now know that Adam and Eve are not our first parents. We got so much wrong. The Holy Spirit failed in its guarantee.

I will wait for the Catholic Church to officially overturn its constant teaching.

In your opinion what will the Catholic Church be teaching in 50 years?
 
This is modernism. The false belief that new, new knowledge, derived from science, can conclusively prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that established teachings of the Church are just, well, wrong.

It is also reflective of purely secular trends. Galileo, who couldn’t control himself, proclaiming his idea proved before it actually was, ended up under house arrest. The Church tried talking to him but he was caught up in the moment. His head swelled - “he” was right before all the facts came in.

Why do people call themselves Catholic when men who are clearly more interested in their own ideology, take whatever weapon available to use against the work of God? Science has joined the cause. It’s time everyone here realizes that.

If science cannot comment about God then why the fuss? It appears some here don’t realize that science has boundaries, limits. Science can propose but it cannot dictate or go beyond its self-imposed limits.

Finally, there is something called discernment. People, including scientists, have decided on something that science cannot demonstrate - the Bible is all symbolic (except for maybe one or two things - maybe) and God? No evidence! No God.

Sad.

Peace,
Ed
 
StAnastasia said:
For Fundies, maybe, but not for those who understand genetic science.
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But I think people are missing the sense in which Pius XII used the term ‘polygenism’. He used it to refer to the notion that there are ‘true men’ who are not descendants of Adam and Eve. The explanation I offered back in #64 avoided both the genetic bottleneck and polygenism. You agreed that it was plausible.
 
StAnastasia said:
“Wrong” is your word, not mine. It’s neither more more less “wrong” than the Church’s condemnation of Galileo, or the medieval Church’s justification of the burning of women accused of witchcraft.
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It seems strange that someone (you) who claims to be a Catholic Theologian teaching in a Catholic college would promote (as above) the inaccurate historical accounts used by protestants to denigrate the Catholic Church.

I suggest you go to this site, and search “Galileo”, “Crusades”, and “Inquisition”. There are many articles there that would give you the Catholic side of the story. Since you are a “Catholic Theologian”, it would be a good thing for you to know the Catholic side of the story.
 
StAnastasia said:
For Fundies, maybe, but not for those who understand genetic science.
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edwest2 said:
This is modernism.
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I’m not up on my “isms.” I’d call it intellectual maturity to recognize that different disciplines have competence in their own areas.

If geographers have discovered that the earth is in fact not flat, a mature theology revises its interpretation of scripture to reflect that. If genetic science has discovered that it is impossible for all human genetic variations to have come through a single breeding pair 6000 years ago, a mature theology revises its interpretation of Genesis to reflect that.
 
rad314 said:
But I think people are missing the sense in which Pius XII used the term ‘polygenism’. He used it to refer to the notion that there are ‘true men’ who are not descendants of Adam and Eve. The explanation I offered back in #64 avoided both the genetic bottleneck and polygenism. You agreed that it was plausible.
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Dear rad314,

I’m glad you are persistent about post 64. I’m headed there now.
When I was answering Alec’s post 327, I ran into the bottleneck thing and didn’t check your posts. I did remember the principle of polygenism but forgot the word.:o mea culpa

Someone on this thread thought I needed an explanation of genomic evidence which prompted Alec’s post. All I did was suggest that Eve and Adam could be real people. :eek:
It looks like I also need an explanation of what Pius XII was saying. I feel like I’m back in school, sleeping in the back row. 😉

Blessings,
granny

All human life is worthy of profound respect.
 
StAnastasia said:
I’m not up on my “isms.” I’d call it intellectual maturity to recognize that different disciplines have competence in their own areas.

If geographers have discovered that the earth is in fact not flat, a mature theology revises its interpretation of scripture to reflect that. If genetic science has discovered that it is impossible for all human genetic variations to have come through a single breeding pair 6000 years ago, a mature theology revises its interpretation of Genesis to reflect that.
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“mature”? Compared to what? Genetic science has absolutely nothing to say about the work of God.

Would a ‘mature’ theology revise any of this:

Bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ.

Jesus raising the dead, cleansing the lepers, giving sight to the blind.

Science cannot prove these things. Is that your only criteria? If it is, then you don’t understand what God can do.

The atheists want very much for men to change their view of themselves. Let’s compare:

Man is created in the image and likeness of God. An image and likeness that Jesus Christ took up.

Man is nothing special. He’s just another animal.

Man and God were intended to be in a relationship.

All men are born alone and die alone.

This life prepares us for the life to come.

When you’re dead, you’re dead.

So, instead of imitating Christ, men imitate others. Especially those who live against what is good and right. If this life is all there is, and there is no God to answer to, then eat, drink and be merry. Spend your money before you die. Restraint? What’s that? Besides, science will just replace my heart or liver or whatever body part I need.

To be more like Christ is to be more authentically human.

Peace,
Ed
 
StAnastasia said:
If genetic science has discovered that it is impossible for all human genetic variations to have come through a single breeding pair 6000 years ago, a mature theology revises its interpretation of Genesis to reflect that.
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That looks like a pretty big “if” 😉
 
You ignore what God can do. Science is limited and is not appropriate for the study of God’s work in this instance. Plus alec has already indicated his motivations, some of which are inconsistent with Catholic truths.

Peace,
Ed
 
Ed, isn’t it time you quit arguing with yourself, and joined the discussion?
 
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