EVOLUTION: A Catholic Solution?

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StAnastasia said:
The mandatum was not offered. However, I am on good terms with our bishop, who is an avid student of topics in religion and science. If at some future time the mandatum is offered, I will request to sign it. Not everyone in the religious studies department would be so willing, however, and I’m not happy with the contentious tone of a number of them. Such is life under academic freedom…

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You would be willing to sign this?

Attestation of the Professor of Catholic Theological Disciplines

I hereby declare my role and responsibility as a professor of a Catholic theological discipline within the full communion of the Church.

As a professor of a Catholic theological discipline, therefore, I am committed to teach authentic Catholic doctrine and to refrain from putting forth as Catholic teaching anything contrary to the Church’s magisterium.
 
buffalo said:
You would be willing to sign this?

Attestation of the Professor of Catholic Theological Disciplines

I hereby declare my role and responsibility as a professor of a Catholic theological discipline within the full communion of the Church.

As a professor of a Catholic theological discipline, therefore, I am committed to teach authentic Catholic doctrine and to refrain from putting forth as Catholic teaching anything contrary to the Church’s magisterium.
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Certainly.
 
ricmat said:
So you don’t think the church teaches that there was a literal Adam and Eve?
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I’m sure there are theologians who teach this, although I personally haven’t met any. I posed the question to a Canadian theologian friend who phoned today, and he was quite surprised. He doesn’t know any theologians who teach the Adam and Eve story literally in stead of focusing on its theological symbolism. I’m sure there must be some, and I’ll continue inquiring.
 
cassini said:
Fr Guy Consolmagno SJ, Vatican Observatory, revising the Galileo case once again for all gullible Catholics today, said recently: ‘or, to put it in another way, religion tells us that God made the universe, science tells us how He did it.’
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Guy Consolmagno is a fine person, a sound astronomer, and a prayerful Catholic. I hope to saee him next week in Rome.

StAnastasia
 
StAnastasia said:
I’m sure there are theologians who teach this, although I personally haven’t met any. I posed the question to a Canadian theologian friend who phoned today, and he was quite surprised. He doesn’t know any theologians who teach the Adam and Eve story literally in stead of focusing on its theological symbolism. I’m sure there must be some, and I’ll continue inquiring.
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It is important to realize that theologians do not have “teaching” authority in the Church. Their musings are just that and until the Pope and Bishops in Communion actually pronounce something then they should not be teaching it.
 
buffalo said:
It is important to realize that theologians do not have “teaching” authority in the Church. Their musings are just that and until the Pope and Bishops in Communion actually pronounce something then they should not be teaching it.
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Yes. This is something that sounds problematic to me, as the requirements of Humani Generis are still in place
 
buffalo said:
Their musings are just that and until the Pope and Bishops in Communion actually pronounce something then they should not be teaching it.
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I’m afraid that’s not how higher education works. If theologians waited until the Pope and Bishops pronounced on something, Catholic theology in its understanding of our world view would still be back in the sixteenth century. Your might personally regard that as a good thing, but it’s not going to happen. Science doesn’t stand still, and neither does theology.
 
StAnastasia said:
That’s fine – by nature I’m not a conformist.
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Heretics don’t like to conform either.
StAnastasia said:
And since I’ve never personally met a theologian or bishop or priest who is an Adamic literalist, I’m not awaiting catechismal revision
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Some members of the Kolbe Center, a Catholic creationist apostolate, are priests and theologians. Fr. Brian Harrison is also an Adamic literalist. I am sure there are many more.

In the days of Arius it was probably difficult to meet a bishop or theologian who believed in the divinity of Christ, since 80% of the Church fell into heresy. Maybe the denial of the existence of Adam has caused a similar scenario.
StAnastasia said:
Science doesn’t stand still, and neither does theology.
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The function of the Church is to preserve dogmas not create new ones.
 
StAnastasia said:
I’m afraid that’s not how higher education works. If theologians waited until the Pope and Bishops pronounced on something, Catholic theology in its understanding of our world view would still be back in the sixteenth century. Your might personally regard that as a good thing, but it’s not going to happen. Science doesn’t stand still, and neither does theology.
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Ahh I was wondering when the old “higher speculation” thing was going to be brought up. Leading edge theology, - give me a break.

And since Jesus is dead He isn’t going to do it either, so it is up to you.😦

So the understanding of Revelation is not organic in your view?
 
You agree that the function of the Church is to preserve dogmas, not create new ones; yet you also assert that the Church’s understanding of Revelation is organic.
 
ricmat said:
So you don’t think the church teaches that there was a literal Adam and Eve?
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StAnastasia said:
I’m sure there are theologians who teach this, although I personally haven’t met any. I posed the question to a Canadian theologian friend who phoned today, and he was quite surprised. He doesn’t know any theologians who teach the Adam and Eve story literally in stead of focusing on its theological symbolism. I’m sure there must be some, and I’ll continue inquiring.
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Note that I asked YOU whether or not the church teaches that there was a literal Adam and Eve. By that, I mean a first man and first woman from whom we are all descended. You responded with a comment about theologians you know and their opinion of the whole Adam and Eve story. Typical.

Theologians think a lot of things, many of them wrong. That’s why we need the magesterium.
 
StAnastasia said:
I’m afraid that’s not how higher education works. If theologians waited until the Pope and Bishops pronounced on something, Catholic theology in its understanding of our world view would still be back in the sixteenth century. Your might personally regard that as a good thing, but it’s not going to happen.
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Your arrogance is astonishing. You assume that new is always better. That science is always right.
StAnastasia said:
Science doesn’t stand still, and neither does theology.
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Yes. So we’ve heard. God is dead. Science reigns. The King is dead. Long live the King.
 
ricmat said:
You assume that new is always better. That science is always right. Yes. So we’ve heard. God is dead. Science reigns. The King is dead. Long live the King.
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First, please start spelling “magisterium” correctly.

Second, no – new is not always better.

Third, no – science is not always right.

Fourth, no – God is not dead.

Fifth, no – science does not reign, except among those who espouse scientism
 
Marocchino said:
You agree that the function of the Church is to preserve dogmas, not create new ones; yet you also assert that the Church’s understanding of Revelation is organic.
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Indeed. Where do you see a contradiction?
 
Yes, nice image. I understand now.

But the existence of Adam is a branch on the bush. Trim it off and there goes the adjoining twigs: original sin, the fall, etc.
 
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