That’s an excellent point which should be easily accepted as reasonable by anyone who looks at the subject objectively. But we see those comparisons continually.Fixing a doorknob or a water faucet does not extend into philosophy or theology, but the origin of the human being does.
I fully agree. It’s as clear as can be. It has also not been adequately addressed by the Catholic-Darwinists. It was dismissed by one vocal Darwin-defender as a “moot point”, as if the Magisterium of the Church really has nothing of value to offer on this topic.Referring again to Pope John Paul II. He clearly rejected materialist only explanations for the existence of man since they did not ground the dignity of the human person.
This is clear. Only those who wish to ignore, or subvert, the truths held by the Catholic Church think, or pretend to think, otherwise.
Evolution is not an article of faith.I haven’t dodged anything. If the only real article of faith I have to believe is evolution, it makes me even more skeptical that any of these discussions are about science. Not just here but elsewhere on the internet.
So you accept the science of evolution? I wish you would make up your mind.No. This is only about ideology, as Cardinal Schoenborn has rightly pointed out.
Totally irrelevant to the discussion.When the LA Times calls the papacy of Pope John Paul II a “reign of terror,” it clarifies my observations.
I agree with the Holy See when it comes to people using science to further their religious beliefs.I think the concern is that the Holy See has taught that some theories of evolution deny divine providence.
That statement also acknowledges that the science is valid. The actual science doesn’t explicitly deny devine providence.I think it’s difficult to ask Catholics to just dismiss this statement from the Magisterium of the Church – or to simply offer a counter statement that contradicts this.
How about gravity, electromagnetics, optics, mineralogy, thermodynamics, relativity, quantum mechanics, the strong and weak nuclear forces? Do any of those extend into philosophy or theology?But all manmade artifacts, including science, are absorbed into the culture. Fixing a doorknob or a water faucet does not extend into philosophy or theology, but the origin of the human being does.
He also accepted the science behind evolution.Referring again to Pope John Paul II. He clearly rejected materialist only explanations for the existence of man since they did not ground the dignity of the human person.
And most, if not all, Catholics on this forum who defend science acknowledge that. I know I personally accept that any theory that explicitly denies the role of God is not acceptable. Of course, it is not science at that point but philosophy.I fully agree. It’s as clear as can be. It has also not been adequately addressed by the Catholic-Darwinists. It was dismissed by one vocal Darwin-defender as a “moot point”, as if the Magisterium of the Church really has nothing of value to offer on this topic.
But the document stated explicitly that the Holy See does not give a blanket approval to all theories of evolution. Why? Because some are in conflict with the Catholic Faith.
I guess you have now heard from “the Darwin supporters”.That is what we do not hear from the Darwin supporters. I find that to be a serious oversight.
Your problem, Ed, is not with science but with mankind itself. You can’t stop science. Truth is truth and can be found in different ways. Scientific truth is still truth. Evolution is true, whether you like it or not. The documents you continually cite agree with that.I think, reggie, that all Catholics should realize that evolutionary theory is not just about some observations and interpretations, it is a tool to be used against people. It is not neutral or benign. Man’s fallen nature compels him. That’s why once man discovered the secret of nuclear fission, the first thing he did was get into a race with his fellow human beings to turn it into a bomb.
According to you, the biggest secular sin is denying science. Better to deny God than deny science. The Church tells me that all theories of evolution that rely only on chance and necessity, including those that deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe, are unacceptable. The reason the Catholic Church made that statement is because that is exactly what neo-Darwinian evolution is saying. The reason Pope Benedict wrote a book giving God as the first cause was because of the “many scientists” saying the theory of evolution negates a role for God.How about gravity, electromagnetics, optics, mineralogy, thermodynamics, relativity, quantum mechanics, the strong and weak nuclear forces? Do any of those extend into philosophy or theology?He also accepted the science behind evolution.
Peace
Tim
You are appealing to emotion. You are suggesting that any rational person would look at what you refer to as truth, scientific truth. But you do not include the critically necessary truth which is clearly named by the Catholic Church – God. He is identifyed as the first cause, the rational mind behind the ‘intelligent project’ of human life.Your problem, Ed, is not with science but with mankind itself. You can’t stop science. Truth is truth and can be found in different ways. Scientific truth is still truth. Evolution is true, whether you like it or not. The documents you continually cite agree with that.
I will be waiting to read your thread calling for a ban on nuclear physics since it is the basis of nuclear weapons.
Peace
Tim
How typical of you, Ed. Either provide ANY post of mine where I even hint at such a thing or apologize. I know, I better not hold my breath. Shame on you Ed.According to you, the biggest secular sin is denying science. Better to deny God than deny science.
Well, I’ll spare you since I know the answer. Too bad you disagree with the Pope.You’ve got it wrong Tim. All I’m hearing is a mantra: “Accept the science, accept the science, accept the science…” Such repetition is not relevant to what the Church is telling all people. Without God, evolution cannot exist.
And now it is your turn to ask for the 10 to the 20th time: “So does that mean you accept the science? How about now? Now?”
Give me a break.
Now that is truly funny coming from you!!!You are appealing to emotion.
No, I’m saying “not science - philosophy and/or theology”. That isn’t the same thing as you are insinuating.You’re saying: “Here, take this science. It’s important.”
I’m saying: “God was the key element. The first cause.”
You: “Irrelevant.”
Sure Ed. You support using biology books that don’t mention God. You have made that clear.By the way, I am not interested in banning scientific books.
Agreed.Science is not as important as God.
God bless,
Ed
The same thing happened to the Pontifical Academy of Science.Thank you buffalo.
It may interest you to know that Catholic Universities began to sever their ties with their associated religious groups in the 1970s. Secular individuals began occupying their boards. Recently, in an article in a Catholic newspaper, a Cardinal stated that Catholic Universities needed to be explicitly Catholic, that their Boards of Directors needed to be Catholic. How, he asked, could a Catholic University give anything authentically Catholic to its students if it didn’t have it to give?
T
Yes. If my interpretation of what you said is correct, one of the Darwin-supporters has done what the rest continually do – deny what the Holy See has taught.And most, if not all, Catholics on this forum who defend **evolution **acknowledge that [some theories of evolution are incompatible with the Catholic Faith]. I know I personally accept that any theory **of evolution ** that explicitly denies the role of God is not acceptable. Of course, it is not **evolution ** at that point but philosophy. I guess you have now heard from “the Darwin supporters”.
Again, you continue to assert this against what the Holy See has taught.Evolution is true, whether you like it or not.
Thanks, Ed. Very good points and important for us all to reflect on and remember.I think, reggie, that all Catholics should realize that evolutionary theory is not just about some observations and interpretations, it is a tool to be used against people. It is not neutral or benign. Man’s fallen nature compels him. That’s why once man discovered the secret of nuclear fission, the first thing he did was get into a race with his fellow human beings to turn it into a bomb.