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buffalo
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A recent discovery showed that DNA is self correcting. It fights against mutations.
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buffalo
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Hmmm? Who lost the protection the Africans or Europeans?
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buffalo
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Hmmm? You need more peer-reviewed? Of most of the posters here I am willing to bet I have posted more peer-reviewed stuff than most.
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buffalo
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Did apes descend from us?
Man didn’t descend from apes. What is closer to the truth is that our knuckle-dragging cousins descended from us.
That’s one of the shocking new theories being drawn from a series of anthropology papers published Friday in a special edition of the journal Science.
Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.
…“So the whole savannah theory (of walking) is now gone as well.”
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Man didn’t descend from apes. What is closer to the truth is that our knuckle-dragging cousins descended from us.
That’s one of the shocking new theories being drawn from a series of anthropology papers published Friday in a special edition of the journal Science.
Scientists say a 4.4-million-year-old fossil called Ardi – short for ardipithecus ramidus – is descended from the “missing link,” or the last common ancestor between humans and apes.
…“So the whole savannah theory (of walking) is now gone as well.”
more…
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Please stop mocking our beliefs. Once again, you are proving that science, supposedly silent about God, is being used to promote atheism by saying: “According to science, your holy book is inaccurate.” You take that one step further by insulting all Catholics by attempting to discredit the Bible. That appears to be your primary motivating factor, not anything remotely resembling science. Do you get a kick out of that? Please stop it.
And you are still ignoring the obvious fact that after billions of generations, viruses and bacteria do no sprout arms and legs.
Peace,
Ed
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edwest2
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I admit that genetic mutations are not capable of adding the required specified complex information to DNA in order to form novel organs. Like a business contract, you are trying to get me to “admit” something that I don’t believe is true and you are invoking the magical millions and billions of years for it to all fall into place.
Not unreasonable, sure it is. I could put all the parts for a bicycle in a swimming pool and leave them for one billion years. Odds of self assembly? Zero.
Peace,
Ed
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edwest2
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No they don’t. Just because two species can no longer mate, it does not explain where new, novel organs come from.
Peace,
Ed
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Salamander
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apologeticspress.org/pdfs/courses_pdf/hsc0305.pdf
Another great resource to ponder about creation and dinosaurs.
Another great resource to ponder about creation and dinosaurs.
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Greebus
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Ed, I can tell by your posts that you do not have a firm grasp as to what evolution is. You seem to think you do, but the questions you ask show a fundamental lack of understanding. I would suggest educating yourself further as many of the questions you pose would be answered if you just did a little research.
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liquidpele
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Calling that a resource is like calling a Dr. Seuss book a resource. I’m not attacking religion here, I’m attacking people that take what is supposed to be a book of truth and twist it into absurdity. I don’t mean offense, but if you really think dinosaurs lived alongside modern day man than you really need to consider 1 Corinthians 13:11.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/courses_pdf/hsc0305.pdf
Another great resource to ponder about creation and dinosaurs.
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liquidpele
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I’m not mocking Christianity at all.
We’ve been over the virus/bacteria thing already, it’s a strawman, stop arguing by insistence.
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edwest2
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Here is the pattern followed, not just by you, but others.
Hi. I’m here to talk about science.
Some don’t believe it.
You obviously don’t understand science, you should read up.
You still experience people who don’t believe it.
I’ll just mention a saint, a few popes, and tell you that being YEC leads to atheism.
The same people do not change their minds.
Then the name calling starts. References to Bronze Age sheep herders, how smart modern man is, and without evolution, we would have no new drugs.
Rinse, repeat.
Peace,
Ed
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pzona
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The bicycle parts in a swimming pool analogy is utter nonsense. It’s not the same thing as evolution at all. Evolution relies on the idea that there is no “fundamental” difference between organic and inorganic molecules (aside from their structure and composition), and there is a small but not infinitesimal chance that inorganic molecules can form simple organic precursors to amino acids. Is the chance of this happening very good? Certainly not, but if it hadn’t happened, we wouldn’t be here discussing it in the first place.
There is nothing “magical” about what I’m claiming about timelines. Let’s say a bacterium’s flagellum mutate to a larger size, which gives the organism a distinct advantage in finding food and surviving. This mutation creates a snowball effect, and the result after millions of generations is a species (not a new species mind you) with larger flagellae. This is all I’m claiming is happening.
And also, according to Brownian motion, quantum probability, etc. the odds of the bicycle self assembling are an infinitesimal, not zero. Still unrelated though.
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liquidpele
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Yep. Because no matter how we argue it, you decide to continue on with the same old creationist drivel. When actual empirical evidence doesn’t convince you we’ll try showing that people you would usually look up to disagree with you and you reject that too. Eventually it gets to a point where we just shake our heads because there is nothing to say anymore besides that you lack basic understanding of the subject and refuse to consider any evidence to the contrary of your beliefs. It’s not even that you are completely misguided that bothers me, it’s that you keep trying to convince others you are right with what can only be described as deceptive arguments.
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A_Dancer_Whirls
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Do you admit you are not educated enough in biology to make such a claim?
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Nec5
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Educated by whom becomes the troublesome issue here on both sides. Would you accept someone that was “self-educated” and reached a different conclusion than the “scientific community”?
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edwest2
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I utterly reject your first paragraph as a wild atheist fantasy. The desperate attempt made by some that life is nothing but chemicals that could assemble itself is totally absurd and without scientific foundation whatsoever.
People wish life assembled itself so they would have no God to answer to. The fact is, we will all be judged, not by a symbol, or a chemical robot, but the Living God.
God bless,
Ed
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This sums it up in a nutshell. One one side we have all the greatest seats of learning, and greatest biologists on earth. On the other we have a group of people that don’t even know what the word “theory” means.
The great thing about science, the method, is that when you know and understand how it works it doesn’t matter what field you are in. When the method is followed we know the results are sound.
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carinapir
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I don’t think that any of the athiests or agnostics even suggested that they were arguing for evolution in this thread to prove that there is no God. This particular discussion was not about proving God does not exist because of the theory evolution but rather if evolution itself is a purely atheistic idea. And “the athiests” have stuck to the point, and for the most part, have simply discussed how the theory of evolution is based on evidence.
I believe what they don’t understand is why you have to deny any validity at all in the theory evolution, not that you feel that God’s hand was behind everything. I think that they clearly understand that you believe in God. There is no need to keep making that point.
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edwest2
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Let me be clear. The current Biology textbook definition of evolution is incompatible with the Catholic faith because it denies to God any truly causal role in the development of life.
I have grown less and less trusting of what people call science as these threads continue to appear. Most of the posters are not concerned with evidence. Evidence, by the way, that can be overturned or grossly modified in a short period of time. No, they are here to win universal acceptance, that’s all.
Please go to youtube to get the latest from Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers, and stop by secularhumanism.org to get a few articles from Sam Harris.
The pattern is clear: get the other party to agree to one point and then negotiate the remaing 7,893. Nope. Not me. I’ve been involved in too many contract negotiations to not understand how that works.
That said, I would invite all reading to ask Jesus Christ into your life. The flesh is temporary. Life is short, eternity isn’t.
Peace,
Ed
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