Evolution: Is There Any Good Reason To Reject The Abiogenesis Hypothesis?

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Thanks for the answer. Yes, I understand that, but what I was saying was, if God cannot intervene in nature as a changing agent, as expressed by this paragraph:
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God’s productive causality is unlike that of any natural cause, for God not only produces what he produces all at once without any process, but also without requiring anything pre-existing or any preconditions whatsoever. God does not act as part of a process, nor does God initiate a process where there was none before. There is no before for God; there is no pre-existing state from which God’s action proceeds. God is totally and immediately present as cause to any and all processes.> Blockquote
Wouldn’t that preclude him from making miracles also? After all, miracles happen in a temporal process.
 
No, not at all. Miracles are required to canonize saints, unless martyrdom for the faith was the cause of death. Jesus performed many miracles.
 
Yes, I know, but I want to know the justification from thomism, since, Thomas Aquinas, trying to solve the cosmogonical fallacy, postulated the things I quoted.
 
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"But it is important to note that, according to the Catholic understanding of divine causality, true contingency in the created order is not incompatible with a purposeful divine providence. Divine causality and created causality radically differ in kind and not only in degree. Thus, even the outcome of a truly contingent natural process can nonetheless fall within God’s providential plan for creation. According to St. Thomas Aquinas: “The effect of divine providence is not only that things should happen somehow, but that they should happen either by necessity or by contingency. Therefore, whatsoever divine providence ordains to happen infallibly and of necessity happens infallibly and of necessity; and that happens from contingency, which the divine providence conceives to happen from contingency” ( Summa theologiae, I, 22,4 ad 1). In the Catholic perspective, neo-Darwinians who adduce random genetic variation and natural selection as evidence that the process of evolution is absolutely unguided are straying beyond what can be demonstrated by science. Divine causality can be active in a process that is both contingent and guided. Any evolutionary mechanism that is contingent can only be contingent because God made it so. An unguided evolutionary process – one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence – simply cannot exist because “the causality of God, Who is the first agent, extends to all being, not only as to constituent principles of species, but also as to the individualizing principles…It necessarily follows that all things, inasmuch as they participate in existence, must likewise be subject to divine providence” ( Summa theologiae I, 22, 2).
 
Wouldn’t that preclude him from making miracles also? After all, miracles happen in a temporal process.
No, this paragraph is merely highlighting the difference between God’s activity and the manner in which ancient Greek philosophers defined change.

To the ancient Greeks there was no such thing as pure Creation, so they argued that every new thing was merely a change in something pre-existing. Matter always existed, the gods merely shaped it. Aquinas was explaining how this didn’t apply to God because His act of Creation made things ex nihilo and didn’t merely change existing matter.

The paragraph isn’t saying that God can’t act on existing matter, merely that He need not, and also that every action in nature has its foundation in an eternal Divine Act.

Peace and God bless!
 
Perfect!:

Into this medieval debate comes Aquinas, who reasoned thus: God is the author of all truth; the aim of scientific research is the truth; therefore, there can be no fundamental incompatibility between the two. Provided we understand Christian doctrine properly and do our science well, we will find the truth.

This insistence that creation must mean that God has periodically produced new and distinct forms of life is to confuse the fact of creation with the manner or mode of the development of natural beings in the universe. This is the Cosmogonical Fallacy. (my comment - once God created what some refer to the kinds, their purpose is being fulfilled in how He designed them to be)

This is the view that nature, as God originally created it, contains gaps or omissions that require God to later fill or repair. Given the Thomistic understanding of divine agency, such a “god of the gaps” view is clearly inconsistent with a proper conception of the nature of creation and, therefore, is cosmogonically fallacious. (IDvolution does not suffer from this)

So, the followers of Darwin who argue that evolutionary theory removes all need for positing a design in nature are inconsistent. Presumably, they make this claim on the basis of natural science which, if their claim is true, is impossible. (Yes)

God does not intervene into nature nor does he adjust or “fix up” natural things. (the fall negatively influenced this - assuming human free will does not muck it up so bad)

The truth or falsity of the claim that the diversity of living species is due to some sort of evolutionary process is a matter to be settled through biological research. (yes it is, the article was written in 2008, since then science is acknowledging obvious design)
 
Teeth, as I said. Skeletal development at time of death for deaths in childhood.

I have evidence and you do not. This is science so you lose I’m afraid.
We have Adam and Eve’s teeth somewhere? That is news to me. Where?
 
We have early hominid teeth. We have early Homo teeth. We have Homo sapiens teeth. None of those teeth show an age over 150 years.

You are the one with no evidence about Adam and Eve’s ages at death, and no evidence to support claims you have made about their DNA.
 
Evolution is science,
It is not empirical science and therefore philosophy.
We have early hominid teeth. We have early Homo teeth. We have Homo sapiens teeth. None of those teeth show an age over 150 years.

You are the one with no evidence about Adam and Eve’s ages at death, and no evidence to support claims you have made about their DNA.
Ahhh, assumptions again. What if every 150 years Adam and Eve grew new adult teeth?
 
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From the article:

Pope Leo XIII ------

Thus, in 1879, he issued the encyclical Aeterni Patris , in which he reaffirmed a central principle of the Catholic intellectual tradition: the harmony of faith and reason. The teachings of the faith are God’s revelation of the truth; science, the product of human reason, is the search for truth. The true faith, therefore, cannot be opposed to good science because truth is the object of both. The secular view that had come to dominate modern intellectual life was mistaken: Faith is not opposed to reason, and modern secular science is not the replacement for the ancient faith taught by the Church. Faith and reason can, of course, seem to be opposed. Yet this can only happen if either we misunderstand what God reveals to us or if we make mistakes in our scientific research. If, on the other hand, we clearly understand divine revelation and we are careful and rigorous in our science, then we will know the truth—not one religious truth and another scientific truth, but the truth—the way reality actually is.
 
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A question for the theistic evo’s here?

Why do you believe God allows us to see design in biology as an illusion?
 
Theistic evolution is in agreement with thomism and as such, as you read from the article and from Ghosty 1981 distinctions between ID and teleology, Theistic evolution adknowledges design,but as a result of deterministic natural forces continually (eternally) created by God, except in human souls, of course, so as to retain our free will.
 
Aquinas vs. Intelligent Design

This article explains not only why Thomists don’t support Intelligent Design, but also why Intelligent Design ultimately belittles God and detracts from His Majesty.
Professor Tkacz’s article from 2008 is dated and I could not find that he published any follow-on articles. Today, some Thomist philosophers not only support intelligent design but also oppose theistic evolution. Father Michael Chaberek’s book Aquinas and Evolution published on April 28, 2017 being a good example.

For a synopsis of this book and others by Charberek visit his website:

  1. To show the incompatibility of Thomistic philosophy with theistic evolution.
  2. To show the compatibility of Thomistic philosophy with the theory of intelligent design.
 
Professor Tkacz’s article from 2008 is dated
I think they really did not understand the concept of front loaded design and kept using the God as tinkerer as the main objection. It is important to consider the effects of the fall, man’s free will, and God’s miraculous interventions as He deems necessary.

God sustains His creation despite man’s free will cholces (Providence)
 
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Professor Tkacz’s article from 2008 is dated and I could not find that he published any follow-on articles.
His article isn’t dated; he makes no claims that have since been disproven, arguing as he does from basic philosophical and theological principles that are well established.
Today, some Thomist philosophers not only support intelligent design but also oppose theistic evolution. Father Michael Chaberek’s book Aquinas and Evolution published on April 28, 2017 being a good example.
I haven’t read the book, but reading his website I see so many fundamental flaws that I find his analysis useless. For example, he argues that a base species would have more potency while a derived species would have more act, but this conclusion is not warranted by either Thomistic reasoning nor scientific study. The two species are both in potency and act with regards to different forms, not with regards to more or less being. A bird is not “more in act” than a lizard in general, but it is “more in act” with regard to feathers and flight, and “less in act” with regard to scales and venom. There is absolutely no reason to suppose a vertical path in theistic evolution.

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A second fundamental error he makes is to argue that changes in genes, and the creation of a new species, would have to amount to a substantial (rather than accidental) change. Here he is assuming that what we call animal species are indeed substantial forms in and of themselves, and not merely accidental forms of matter. There is no reason to assume this, and he even highlights the fact that the term “substance” can’t be said of all things univocally:
Hence, the only true substance is God, because He is the most individual, the most indivisible, and simply the most “Is”. Everything else is a substance only by participation. Living beings constitute substances in a much stronger sense than non-living beings, to the point that the latter should not even be called substances but elements and compounds. And if we consider a true substance there is no way to transform it into another substance by an accidental change.
Here he is setting a line between living and non-living, saying that living things (and individual species) have substantial forms in a truer sense than non-living things, but this line is arbitrary in several ways. If a wheel is not a substance but rather an accidental form of wood, then there is no fundamental reason to suppose that dog is a substantial form as opposed to being an accidental form of carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus, ect. Real substantial change doesn’t occur between forms of matter, as all forms of matter are accidental forms, but there is indeed a substantial difference between spiritual, subsistent forms (rational souls) and material life. In fact, Aquinas already believed in abiogenesis when he spoke of earthworms be generated from the soil itself (a misunderstanding in the sciences of his day).

If Aquinas believed that there was a substantial change requiring a special Act of Creation when non-living matter becomes a living thing then he could not have said:
Species, also, that are new, if any such appear, existed beforehand in various active powers; so that animals, and perhaps even new species of animals, are produced by putrefaction by the power which the stars and elements received at the beginning. Again, animals of new kinds arise occasionally from the connection of individuals belonging to different species, as the mule is the offspring of an ass and a mare; but even these existed previously in their causes, in the works of the six days.
So Aquinas not only allowed for the emergence of entirely new species of animals, but attributed it to the natural powers of the stars and elements (we will leave aside the fact that our understanding of the science behind these powers is better now, and accept that he was speaking based on the scientific observations available in his day) rather than special Creation by God.

I could continue, but I think these examples suffice to show that this particular example you provided of a Thomist supporting ID is not especially strong.

Peace and God bless!
 
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Earlier in Genesis we read “Let the earth bring forth…” which is an indirect process, not a direct one. So, in those term non-human animals are in essence earth/dust/clay. The process is earth → animals → primates → humans.
In terms of today’s understanding of what is “the earth”, I would read this is to say that of all the chaotic activity of material processes, behaving in accordance with their inherent properties, only those that culminated in the forming of earthly creatures were allowed in order to create the different kinds of life that exist.

On the other hand, we have, “Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the dome of the sky.” The overall impression one would get, knowing nothing of chemistry or physics, is that the Word of God is creating creatures as part of their environment. We, made of dust, were put in this garden “to till it and keep it”, “to have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.” The method of our creation, our role and hence responsibilities are very different from those of animals and plants.
two of those earth/dust derived individuals were given human souls, the “breath of life”
I have no idea what this would mean. It implies the killing of a pre-existing animal and the idea that a soul travels around in a body. The soul and the body are one thing, which is why when we think and act biochemical changes occur. Neurochemistry does not cause the thinking and the thinking is not a force that moves matter; they are one and the same in what is human being.
 
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