The new atheism is a reaction against the fundamentalist Christian effort to include creation science in public school science classes, for the most part.
Um…what about the fundamental atheistic religious zealots?
Well, I have never heard of them flying airplanes into buildings.
As Barbarian points out, he doesn’t want to be associated with “Social Darwinism” however this is the fruit of evolutionary philosophy and probably the death toll from this fruit is about 80,000,000 to date when you tally from Hitler to Kim Jong-Il (North Korean laeder).
Atheistic regimes have murdered far more than the numbers who died on 9/11.
No, just mass-murdering tens of millions of people at a time.
There they go again with their circular reasoning!
Kim Jong-Il I will grant you as an atheist. However as far as Hitler was concerned:“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.”
If you won’t take biologists’ word for it then how about taking some Christians’ word for it - over 11,000 of them. See the Clergy Letter Project:We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris.
In the same sense as Hitler’s final solution was the fruit of Christianity. The Nazis said it was, because they took it largely from Martin Luther’s writings about the Jews. At least they could point to a Christian leader who advocated such things. As you probably know, Darwin assailed the ideas of “social Darwinism.”
And here we were all thinking it was “there was no God.” Thanks for enlightening us.
Explain how that is circular reasoning.
Well you see, if a biologist doesn’t believe in Evolution, then they are not “respectable”. I thought the point was obvious!
I don’t take their word for it because they follow blind men. You see, I fell into the pit, but God pulled me out. So now I take God at His Word, as unanimously interpreted by the Church Fathers, and I interpret the scientific evidence in conformity with their opinion. :yup:
You seem not to understand basic logic. I never said what you falsely imputed to me above. What I said was “I can’t think of a biologist with credibility who rejects evolution.”
No, they’re not blind. These are incredible clergymen, representing hundreds of thousands of years of training and experience, and their statement of assent is based on sound science. Thank goodness the popes are not in your camp!
Pope Benedict-
One cannot achieve credibility in the community unless you accept evolution. No dissention is allowed. No money is awarded. It is self perpetuating.
Well, scientists are coming out and saying, no evidence, no God. But, Christians are constantly hearing that science can’t study God or draw conclusions about His existence or non-existence. The people being harmed are the public who see these people on TV or read their articles or listen to their interviews. The message is clear: they are intellectually satisfied that the evidence for evolution, which works all by itself, negates a role for God - who doesn’t exist anyway. The science, they say, allows them to be atheists with something other than simply saying I believe there is no God. Something which science can’t prove or demonstrate.And here we were all thinking it was “there was no God.” Thanks for enlightening us.