Ewtn and Eastern Catholicism

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Cavaradossi said:
No, the Church is the body and bride of Christ, not some vain philosopher’s club.
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Jesus commissioned his first apostles to “go into the world and preach the Gospel, teaching what I have taught you.” Therefore, the Church is not some vain literary critics club.
 
sedonaman said:
Jesus commissioned his first apostles to “go into the world and preach the Gospel, teaching what I have taught you.” Therefore, the Church is not some vain literary critics club.
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You don’t believe that the Church is the body and bride of Christ? You must not have read any of the New Testament or even the teachings of your own Church.

752 In Christian usage, the word “church” designates the liturgical assembly, but also the local community or the whole universal community of believers. These three meanings are inseparable. “The Church” is the People that God gathers in the whole world. She exists in local communities and is made real as a liturgical, above all a Eucharistic, assembly. She draws her life from the word and the Body of Christ and so herself becomes Christ’s Body.

753 In Scripture, we find a host of interrelated images and figures through which Revelation speaks of the inexhaustible mystery of the Church. the images taken from the Old Testament are variations on a profound theme: the People of God. In the New Testament, all these images find a new center because Christ has become the head of this people, which henceforth is his Body. Around this center are grouped images taken “from the life of the shepherd or from cultivation of the land, from the art of building or from family life and marriage.”

756 "Often, too, the Church is called the building of God. the Lord compared himself to the stone which the builders rejected, but which was made into the comer-stone. On this foundation the Church is built by the apostles and from it the Church receives solidity and unity. This edifice has many names to describe it: the house of God in which his family dwells; the household of God in the Spirit; the dwelling-place of God among men; and, especially, the holy temple. This temple, symbolized in places of worship built out of stone, is praised by the Fathers and, not without reason, is compared in the liturgy to the Holy City, the New Jerusalem. As living stones we here on earth are built into it. It is this holy city that is seen by John as it comes down out of heaven from God when the world is made anew, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.

[bibledrb]Romans 12:3-5[/bibledrb]
[bibledrb]1 Corinthians 12:12-26[/bibledrb]
[bibledrb]Revelation 19:7-9[/bibledrb]
[bibledrb]Revelation 21:2-9[/bibledrb]

I think it is you who is the vain literary critic.
 
sedonaman said:
Jesus commissioned his first apostles to “go into the world and preach the Gospel, teaching what I have taught you.” Therefore, the Church is not some vain literary critics club.
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… and Jesus certainly taught that the Church of Rome was superior, and all else was “competition”.

Oh, wait! It was the Church of Christ of which He spoke!

And he prayed before His Passion that “we all be as one”. Glad we honor that request of the One who gave His life for our sake!
 
I believe it has to do with numbers (population). There is over a billion Latin Rite Catholics in the world. The tv audience is mostly RC, and that’s probably why EWTN focuses on Latin more. “Competition,” as an earlier poster mentioned, has nothing to do with it. We are not in competition with eachother. Rather, we are to love one another. Eastern or Western Rites, we are the same religion, right? We are Catholics, in Communion, under the leadership of His Holiness the Pope. When I think of Eastern Catholics, I see them not as “competition”, but as brothers and sisters - fellow followers of Christ!

According to Vatican II, Eastern Churches, along the Latin Church share “equal dignity, so that none of them is superior to the others as regards rite, and they enjoy the same rights and are under the same obligations, also in respect of preaching the Gospel to the whole world (cf. Mark 16:15) under the guidance of the Roman Pontiff.”
 
A_G said:
I believe it has to do with numbers (population). There is over a billion Latin Rite Catholics in the world. The tv audience is mostly RC, and that’s probably why EWTN focuses on Latin more. “Competition,” as an earlier poster mentioned, has nothing to do with it. We are not in competition with eachother. Rather, we are to love one another. Eastern or Western Rites, we are the same religion, right? We are Catholics, in Communion, under the leadership of His Holiness the Pope. When I think of Eastern Catholics, I see them not as “competition”, but as brothers and sisters - fellow followers of Christ!

According to Vatican II, Eastern Churches, along the Latin Church share “equal dignity, so that none of them is superior to the others as regards rite, and they enjoy the same rights and are under the same obligations, also in respect of preaching the Gospel to the whole world (cf. Mark 16:15) under the guidance of the Roman Pontiff.”
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Apparently, that has been overturned here. One cannot be a member of a Eastern Catholic Church of “equal dignity” and be deemed “competition” at the same time.

BTW - throughout this thread and others, many ECs (myself included) have been quite complimentary of the programming and regular recognition afforded the Eastern Catholic churches on the network. They do an admirable job, and we all should be (i) grateful for this great ministry and (ii) learning from it.

Happy anniversary, Orientale Lumen!
 
sedonaman said:
The Church is not a carpet; it is a teaching institution, and there must be a difference between what the Roman rite teaches and what the Eastern rite teaches, otherwise there wouldn’t be a division. If a potential convert were to ask the pope which rite to join, would the pope tell him to join the Roman or Eastern? [Note: Please do not introduce a third irrelevant choice.]
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My guess is that the Pope would tell the person to join whichever Sui iuris Church (of whatever rite) that led said person to the Catholic Church- whether this be the Roman Church, the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, the Ethiopian Catholic Church, etc.

I’m not sure why you responded with “The Church is not a carpet”. The point of referring to the Church as a tapestry is to show all the wonderful liturgical and devotional traditions that She contains. Also, in respect to relationship between the Roman Church and Her sister Churches, there is no division as you state. They are a seamless whole; though they be woven of different colors and clothes, they form the seamless Coat of Many Colors, the very own robe of Christ that He has placed upon His people.

You are correct in stating that the Church is a teaching institution, insofar as one of Her charged duties by Christ is to teach. But that is not the exclusive duty of the Church. The Bride of Christ has many facets, and teaching is but one of them. She is to also exercise mercy, care for the poor and needy, tend to the sick, offer up worship, and be the Mystical Body of Jesus upon Earth. She unites Heaven and Earth together for She is like Eve, formed from the body of Her husband; and Her Bridegroom, Jesus, unites Heaven and Earth by His salvific Incarnation, Passion, and Resurrection. Jesus unites Divinity and Humanity, and the two twill never separate.

I would implore you, sedonaman, to investigate the Eastern Catholic Churches. On a larger scale, they are the sister Churches to the Roman Church. On a smaller (and yet equally important level), the members of said Churches are your brethren in Christ. You owe them filial love and respect, and part of that is understanding them. Whether or not you speak in ignorance or malcontent, I know not. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is that such talk be corrected.
 
ByzCathCantor said:
Apparently, that has been overturned here. One cannot be a member of a Eastern Catholic Church of “equal dignity” and be deemed “competition” at the same time.

BTW - throughout this thread and others, many ECs (myself included) have been quite complimentary of the programming and regular recognition afforded the Eastern Catholic churches on the network. They do an admirable job, and we all should be (i) grateful for this great ministry and (ii) learning from it.

Happy anniversary, Orientale Lumen!
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17 years, eh? Orientale Lumen is going to cease being a teenager soon :D.
 
Perhaps it’s all EWTN’s fault . . . 😉

I applaud our Lutheran friend! We always know where they, well, stand . . .

Alex
 
sedonaman said:
EWTN’s mission is to support and witness the Roman rite.
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OK, but I prefer the Extraordinary Rite to that other one. If you RC’s had kept the Extraordinary Rite, perhaps you wouldn’t be having so much “competition” from the Eastern Catholic Churches . . .

(And you are always welcome to join the EC’s whenever you have enough of liturgical clowns and other such things! 🙂 ).

Not that I’m proselytizing here . . .

Alex
 
paglione said:
4/26/2012
Alexander Roman, I couldn’t agree with you more! Latin rite Catholics know little about their sister churches because the sister Catholic churches are rarely discussed from the pulpit or in the Latin rite press. Perhaps the Latin rite clergy consider it not important enough to educate Latins about the Eastern churches. If this is so, then much of the Latin rite clergy have a very narrow view of Universal Catholicism which they promulgate to the faithful from childhood on. How will the Universal Catholic Church prepare itself for the time
when the Orthodox Churches becomes united with the Catholic Church. Then they will have to pay attention.
paglione
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Just call me “Alex” sir! I think that when the day comes when the Orthodox Churches unite with RCism, then the Catholic Church will, once again, become truly “Universal!”

🙂 Alex
 
Alexander_Roman said:
Perhaps it’s all EWTN’s fault . . . 😉

I applaud our Lutheran friend! We always know where they, well, stand . . .

Alex
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Lutherans stand on our knees- either in prayer, or because we had too much beer. Sometimes both are the reason! ;)😃
 
Alexander_Roman said:
OK, but I prefer the Extraordinary Rite to that other one. If you RC’s had kept the Extraordinary Rite, perhaps you wouldn’t be having so much “competition” from the Eastern Catholic Churches . . .

(And you are always welcome to join the EC’s whenever you have enough of liturgical clowns and other such things! 🙂 ).

Not that I’m proselytizing here . . .

Alex
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Now now. 😛
 
Corki said:
Absolutely! As with any business, it is perfectly fine to make your desires known, to request specific kinds of programming and to try to convince EWTN to do it. I only bristled at the idea that EWTN, as a private organization, was somehow obligated or duty bound to provide this. Sorry if I offended anyone here.
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Apology not accepted! 😉

EWTN is there to educate Catholics and built up its popularity precisely because it was telling people things they needed to hear about Catholic moral and also devotional/faith teachings. It provided a traditional bent in a sea of post-Vatican II inspired liberalism.

So EWTN does come from within a sense of “duty” and “obligation” to teach what it sees as problematic aspects of overall Catholic identity and education.

I don’t see your emphasis on “business” here except that EWTN has made it a business to promote traditionalism where other more liberal Catholic quarters (and their name is “legion”) would downplay it or else even laugh at it (and I’ve seen liberal Catholics laugh out loud at traditional devotions and faith issues).

The EC Churches are as traditional as you can get - more daytime programming about them will help to show liberal Catholics that Catholic Traditionalists aren’t wackos who can’t get “with it.” Liberal Catholics promote ecumenism with Eastern Orthodoxy - but do they realize what they are getting into when they do so re: conservative orthodoxy?

So much of the original Catholic faith and tradition comes from the East, the Fathers, the Saints and even St Peter himself. How would a greater emphasis on such programming harm the goals (business or otherwise) of EWTN?

Alex
 
ThatOneGuy92 said:
My guess is that the Pope would tell the person to join whichever Sui iuris Church (of whatever rite) that led said person to the Catholic Church- whether this be the Roman Church, the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, the Ethiopian Catholic Church, etc.

I’m not sure why you responded with “The Church is not a carpet”. The point of referring to the Church as a tapestry is to show all the wonderful liturgical and devotional traditions that She contains. Also, in respect to relationship between the Roman Church and Her sister Churches, there is no division as you state. They are a seamless whole; though they be woven of different colors and clothes, they form the seamless Coat of Many Colors, the very own robe of Christ that He has placed upon His people.

You are correct in stating that the Church is a teaching institution, insofar as one of Her charged duties by Christ is to teach. But that is not the exclusive duty of the Church. The Bride of Christ has many facets, and teaching is but one of them. She is to also exercise mercy, care for the poor and needy, tend to the sick, offer up worship, and be the Mystical Body of Jesus upon Earth. She unites Heaven and Earth together for She is like Eve, formed from the body of Her husband; and Her Bridegroom, Jesus, unites Heaven and Earth by His salvific Incarnation, Passion, and Resurrection. Jesus unites Divinity and Humanity, and the two twill never separate.

I would implore you, sedonaman, to investigate the Eastern Catholic Churches. On a larger scale, they are the sister Churches to the Roman Church. On a smaller (and yet equally important level), the members of said Churches are your brethren in Christ. You owe them filial love and respect, and part of that is understanding them. Whether or not you speak in ignorance or malcontent, I know not. It doesn’t matter. What does matter is that such talk be corrected.
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I pray that I one day become as good in my faith as you, sir, are in yours!

After reading your post here, I realize that I fall short in a very number of ways!

God bless you,

Alex
 
Oh don’t worry. I’ve arranged for ThatOneGuy92 to get a little “visit” from some members of a certain religious order, just to make sure he doesn’t know too much.

😃
 
But seriously …
sedonaman said:
If a potential convert were to ask the pope which rite to join, would the pope tell him to join the Roman or Eastern?
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Sedonaman, I know you’re speaking English, but you’re question doesn’t make any sense to me. How could somebody join a rite? That’s like if I were to say “I can’t decide whether I want to join the First Eucharistic Prayer or the Second Eucharistic Prayer.”

P.S. Did you think that “rite” means “church”?
 
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