EWTN Mass?

[sancte_joseph]

I’ve never seen “wine” offered at any Catholic Parish during Holy Communion. Not ever.

funny lol…you know what i mean the Most Sacred Body and Blood of Christ that to our blind eyes looks like wine

 

[japhy]

Ummmm, the chalice is not “purified” directly after wine is poured into it in preparation for its use in the Mass.

Oh, I had no idea you were referring to that. I’ve never seen that.

 

[maggiemay2u]

RICK’S quote “Nothing confusing about their Masses. I just dislike their severity and they omit licit options which I appreciate.”

Rick–the reason so many people love the EWTN Mass is for the exact reason you don’t. We have seen the Roman Catholic Rite bastardized and trivialized to a point where, save for the transubstantiation, we could be at any Baptist or Evangelical gathering.

The reverence I feel for the Eucharist, as the real presence of Christ, is all but forgotten in many parishes, especially on the wacky west coast (from which I hail) The decibel level of the socializing before and after Mass is reminiscent of a sporting event. I long for Sister Benedicta to come up in back of a couple of folks and smack them in the back of the head and remind them of whose presence they are in.

I cut a lot of slack for rambunctious toddlers and lackadaisical teens whom I believe are receiving the grace of faith, despite their best efforts to have fun or appear aloof. I cut no slack for the adults who discuss politics, baseball or the best fertilizers, within the church. That’s why most churches have coffee and donuts on the patio or in the hall.

EWTN is all business. The business is salvation.

 

[Rickwood]

RICK’S quote “Nothing confusing about their Masses. I just dislike their severity and they omit licit options which I appreciate.”

Rick–the reason so many people love the EWTN Mass is for the exact reason you don’t. We have seen the Roman Catholic Rite bastardized and trivialized to a point where, save for the transubstantiation, we could be at any Baptist or Evangelical gathering.

No.

First I never said I disliked EWTN Masses. I like them (as I stated earlier) but I also believe they could be better by being less severe. Allowing the chalice to the faithful and the kiss of peaced did not do what you suggest.

EWTN does many things quite well. It also does a few things rather poorly. There is no question in my mind that if EWTN offered the chalice, allowed the kiss of peace and trimmed-down their homilies that their Masses would be better.

The reverence I feel for the Eucharist, as the real presence of Christ, is all but forgotten in many parishes, especially on the wacky west coast (from which I hail) The decibel level of the socializing before and after Mass is reminiscent of a sporting event. I long for Sister Benedicta to come up in back of a couple of folks and smack them in the back of the head and remind them of whose presence they are in.

I think that’s up to the individual. I used to get real bent by people talking inside of the church. Now I focus on preparing myself and my relationship with God and His Son.

I cut a lot of slack for rambunctious toddlers and lackadaisical teens whom I believe are receiving the grace of faith, despite their best efforts to have fun or appear aloof. I cut no slack for the adults who discuss politics, baseball or the best fertilizers, within the church. That’s why most churches have coffee and donuts on the patio or in the hall.

EWTN is all business. The business is salvation.

 

[maggiemay2u]

“First I never said I disliked EWTN Masses. I like them (as I stated earlier) but I also believe they could be better by being less severe. Allowing the chalice to the faithful and the kiss of peaced did not do what you suggest”.

Rick–perhaps you forgot your initial post, “I used to really enjoy the EWTN Masses but I don’t so much anymore. There is a certain severity and arrogance to them which I dislike.” I merely followed your thread of thought

“EWTN does many things quite well. It also does a few things rather poorly. There is no question in my mind that if EWTN offered the chalice, allowed the kiss of peace and trimmed-down their homilies that their Masses would be better.”

Again Rick, the reason I come to EWTN is because of the relevant and gospel-based, not arrogantly interpreted homilies, which have become commonplace in the “do your own thing” parishes and dioceses. As for the length, I’m amazed at the brevity, especially in relation to the often simplistic brilliance. For the majority who witness the EWTN Mass, I believe they are just as pleased to not have the Eucharist under both species as they are to not participate in the kiss of peace, during the proper of the Mass.

“I think that’s up to the individual. I used to get real bent by people talking inside of the church. Now I focus on preparing myself and my relationship with God and His Son.”

When you say it’s up to the individual, I’m a bit mystified as to what you mean. In the extreme, that kind of sounds like our Catholic pro-abortion candidates who personally dislike abortion but believe every woman should have the right to terminate the life of her child. A Catholic church is not merely a building. It is the location of the Real Presence of Christ. Why shouldn’t guard and reverence it from triviality and secular pursuits?

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmund Burke.

 

[Rickwood]

Rick–perhaps you forgot your initial post, “I used to really enjoy the EWTN Masses but I don’t so much anymore. There is a certain severity and arrogance to them which I dislike.” I merely followed your thread of thought

Actually you tried to add your own spin. There is much about EWTN Masses that I like a great deal.

Again Rick, the reason I come to EWTN is because of the relevant and gospel-based, not arrogantly interpreted homilies, which have become commonplace in the “do your own thing” parishes and dioceses. As for the length, I’m amazed at the brevity, especially in relation to the often simplistic brilliance. For the majority who witness the EWTN Mass, I believe they are just as pleased to not have the Eucharist under both species as they are to not participate in the kiss of peace, during the proper of the Mass.

I’m not interested in your guesses. What I do know is if the chalice were offered to the faithful and the kiss of peace allowed, I would like their Masses more.

When you say it’s up to the individual, I’m a bit mystified as to what you mean. In the extreme, that kind of sounds like our Catholic pro-abortion candidates who personally dislike abortion but believe every woman should have the right to terminate the life of her child. A Catholic church is not merely a building. It is the location of the Real Presence of Christ. Why shouldn’t guard and reverence it from triviality and secular pursuits?

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmund Burke.

Please don’t use inflammatory comments like that. The subject of abortion is not to be used in that manner. Do it again with me and I will simply ignore your posts.

 

[sancte_joseph]

RICK
OKAY all i want to know NOW is why would you like it more if it offered the chalice and gave the sign of peace???

 

[allhers]

I used to really enjoy the EWTN Masses but I don’t so much anymore. There is a certain severity and arrogance to them which I dislike.

It would be nicer to me if they offered communion under both kinds and if they had the kiss of peace. Yes, I know both are optional, but their absence speaks volumes, and it’s nothing positive. Then again maybe they have to play to their audience.

I think the six altar candles and the large altar cross look more than a bit silly, but I think their heart is in the right place by trying to imitate our pope which is ultimately a positive. The homilies while good, are almost invariably padded and recursive and wandering and it shows. They are just too long.

In the end though, their masses are better than most I attend in real life.

I see no severity nor arrogance, I see reverance and love.

Perhaps since they are fully funded by viewers, you could send them a nice amount each month and they could afford to offer the Precious Blood to everyone? I think it would be great to do away with the sign of peace altogether, we didn’t have it when I was growing up and I still think its silly and unnecessary, especially in the part of Mass where it is introduced, our unity is in the Eucharistic, always disliked the way some people try to shake hands with everyone in every pew and across the aisles, the sign of peace with their fingers, etc…Actually we are suppose to only shake hands with those right around us and do it quietly and reverently. So why is it that you say it speaks volumns that they don’t? What do you mean by that?

“They have to play to their audience”?? That really sounds out of place.

I love their candles, their crusifix and the homilies, I find myself praying that some Priests would watch EWTN while preparing their own homilies.

Isn’ t it sad that there Masses are still better, in spite of all your complaints, then the one’s you attend in person?

 

[Rickwood]

RICK
OKAY all i want to know NOW is why would you like it more if it offered the chalice and gave the sign of peace???

Fair enough. First I happen to agree from personal experience with GIRM 281:
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GIRM 281.** Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it is distributed under both kinds. For in this form the sign of the eucharistic banquet is more clearly evident and clear expression is given to the divine will by which the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as also the relationship between the Eucharistic banquet and the eschatological banquet in the Father’s Kingdom.

Second, I have seen the kiss of peace used by visiting clerics, usually bishops. It does two things. It adds a degree of warmth, a degree of communal worship that is otherwise lacking. Perhaps just as important, it shows the world that the kiss of peace can be conducted in an extremely reverent manner.

 

[Rickwood]

I see no severity nor arrogance, I see reverance and love.

I do, but only after viewing Masses celebrated by visiting priests/bishop on EWTN. Much better.

Perhaps since they are fully funded by viewers, you could send them a nice amount each month and they could afford to offer the Precious Blood to everyone? I think it would be great to do away with the sign of peace altogether, we didn’t have it when I was growing up and I still think its silly and unnecessary, especially in the part of Mass where it is introduced, our unity is in the Eucharistic, always disliked the way some people try to shake hands with everyone in every pew and across the aisles, the sign of peace with their fingers, etc…Actually we are suppose to only shake hands with those right around us and do it quietly and reverently. So why is it that you say it speaks volumns that they don’t? What do you mean by that?

I already send them a check – right between my DSL and satellite TV bills.

“They have to play to their audience”?? That really sounds out of place.

It’s accurate.

I love their candles, their crusifix and the homilies, I find myself praying that some Priests would watch EWTN while preparing their own homilies.

I wish they would watch Fr. John Corapi.

Isn’ t it sad that there Masses are still better, in spite of all your complaints, then the one’s you attend in person?

They aren’t.

Just out of curiosity, what would make you say such a thing? You have NO idea about the quality of Masses I attend.

 

[sancte_joseph]

Rick…as i can see you disagree with most people here…can we agree then that the masses at EWTN are reverand…???

 

[Rickwood]

Rick…as i can see you disagree with most people here…can we agree then that the masses at EWTN are reverand…???

Fair enough. First I happen to agree from personal experience with GIRM 281:

GIRM 281. Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it is distributed under both kinds. For in this form the sign of the eucharistic banquet is more clearly evident and clear expression is given to the divine will by which the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as also the relationship between the Eucharistic banquet and the eschatological banquet in the Father’s Kingdom.

Second, I have seen the kiss of peace used by visiting clerics, usually bishops. It does two things. It adds a degree of warmth, a degree of communal worship that is otherwise lacking. Perhaps just as important, it shows the world that the kiss of peace can be conducted in an extremely reverent manner.

You asked me a question and I answered it. Not sure why you cannot factually acknowledge my answer.

 

[sancte_joseph]

rick im sorry…of course i acknowledged you answer…you like it and you supported why you like i can understand that…like i said in a previous post somewhere i sometimes like getting the chalice but if i don’t i feel the same…

 

[Rickwood]

rick im sorry…of course i acknowledged you answer…you like it and you supported why you like i can understand that…like i said in a previous post somewhere i sometimes like getting the chalice but if i don’t i feel the same…

GIRM 281. Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it is distributed under both kinds. For in this form the sign of the eucharistic banquet is more clearly evident and clear expression is given to the divine will by which the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as also the relationship between the Eucharistic banquet and the eschatological banquet in the Father’s Kingdom.

Second, I have seen the kiss of peace used by visiting clerics, usually bishops. It does two things. It adds a degree of warmth, a degree of communal worship that is otherwise lacking. Perhaps just as important, it shows the world that the kiss of peace can be conducted in an extremely reverent manner.

You asked me a question and I answered it. Not sure why you cannot factually acknowledge my answer.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Firstly I’m really sorry if i offend anyone but…

I think that people who don’t like the EWTN mass is just the effect of the abuse that people see everyday and think its normal…people are confused when they see reverance to the blessed sacrament

and why do people even want the wine…doesn’t the church say the host is the body and blood and the wine is the body and blood i mean yes sometimes i like to receive the wine if offered but if don’t i feel equally feed (spiritually) …anyway

The mass offered on EWTN although not the best (in my opinion) it still is very well celebrated

Our family even had DishNetwork installed so we could get EWTN. It is wonderful to watch the programs offered.

 

[sancte_joseph]

why do you keepo doing that

 

[Rickwood]

why do you keepo doing that

GIRM 281. Holy Communion has a fuller form as a sign when it is distributed under both kinds. For in this form the sign of the eucharistic banquet is more clearly evident and clear expression is given to the divine will by which the new and eternal Covenant is ratified in the Blood of the Lord, as also the relationship between the Eucharistic banquet and the eschatological banquet in the Father’s Kingdom.

 

[sancte_joseph]

yes rick i read it…that doesn’t take away from the fact that you don’t get a fuller SACRAMENT maybe a feeling but you don’t get more grace…

 

[allhers]

I used to really enjoy the EWTN Masses but I don’t so much anymore. There is a certain severity and arrogance to them which I dislike.

It would be nicer to me if they offered communion under both kinds and if they had the kiss of peace. Yes, I know both are optional, but their absence speaks volumes, and it’s nothing positive. Then again maybe they have to play to their audience.

I think the six altar candles and the large altar cross look more than a bit silly, but I think their heart is in the right place by trying to imitate our pope which is ultimately a positive. The homilies while good, are almost invariably padded and recursive and wandering and it shows. They are just too long.

In the end though, their masses are better than most I attend in real life.

Rickwood, you asked me how I got the idea of the Masses that you attend, um, look above at what I bolded. Thats where I got that idea. (you said it yourself on post # 5 on this site.)

 

[Rickwood]

allhers:
Rickwood, you asked me how I got the idea of the Masses that you attend, um, look above at what I bolded. Thats where I got that idea. (you said it yourself on post # 5 on this site.)
Did you even read what I typed?

Your:
“Isn’ t it sad that there Masses are still better, in spite of all your complaints, then the one’s you attend in person?”

makes absolutely no sense when I originally typed:

“…In the end though, their masses are better than most I attend in real life.”

Try again. The word “MOST” has a very definite impact on that sentence.

The single two Mass I attend most often is in my opinion, superior to the EWTN Mass. Next time you might want to actually read what I wrote.