EWTN Tridentine Mass

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I’ll say one thing for Satriale, he’s sure sparked things up around here. I like it…
By the way, I’ve been to Hanceville. It is beautiful and the sisters and priests are great, but that’s just it. What about the lay people? I got the feeling they were somehow second class citizens. Like glad to have you here. Enjoy yourself, visit the bookstore, have a great day…come back and see us again sometime. It was just so much up and above me, I did’nt feel comfortable. To me simple is much better, but then to each his own. Now I’ll shut up for awhile…
bhmdiocese.org/viewparish.php?id=23

see if you find it listed as a parish…

as second class citizen, do you mean that you fell the shrine is NOT for Lay people…

well, you are probably right. Outside of offering the Sacraments, the shrine is for the religious sisters and brothers and for Adoration…

Sorry, but everytime that I have went, outside of Mass, there’s not many Lay people just hanging around to greet everyone. I never really felt like there should be, however, if it’s really not a parish, what should we expect?
 
From EWTN’s website:

The traditional artwork throughout the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament is intended to inspire devotion in the hearts of all who come here to pray. The Romanesque-Gothic architecture of the Shrine and Monastery was inspired by the great Franciscan churches and monasteries of the 13th century.

Construction was done by Brice Building Company, using modern techniques and materials to reproduce the distinctive architectural features of the famous Franciscan edifices.

All appointments in the Shrine have been custom-designed and crafted by expert artisans from various countries. The Sanctuary, Monstrance, Tabernacle, Sacred Vessels, Vestments, Reredos, Altar Rail, Crucifix, Vestry, Sacristy, Lecterns, Ambos, Confessionals, Vestibule, Stations of the Cross, statues of the El Divino Niño and Our Lady of Grace at the side Altars, bronze Great Doors and minor doors, nuns’ stalls, pews, and lower Church appointments were designed, constructed, and finished by Talleres de Arte Granda (TAG) in Madrid, Spain. TAG made all the appointments in Madrid, shipped them here, and provided the expertise and labor of installing them.

TAG also provided architectural consultation for the Shrine as well as designing the vaulting in the central and side nave aisle ways, the column capitals, the Piazza, the monument for the statue in the center of the Piazza, the Colonnade, and the facade of the Shrine. The facade includes Alpha and Omega emblems, portico entrances, and the central limestone rosette of adoring angels bearing the ‘Adoremus In Aeternum Sanctissimum Sacramentum’ shield. These words are the motto of the Poor Clares of Perpetual Adoration, and translate: ‘Let Us Adore for All Eternity the Most Blessed Sacrament.’
 
One of the most distinctive features of the Shrine is its marble paving, patterns, and accents. Marble was selected from the Carrara Brescia, Aosta (Italian Alps), Verona, Lucca, Sicilia, and Pietrasanta regions of Italy, as well as from Macedonia, Valencia in Spain, Brazil, South Africa, and Finland. The marble throughout the Shrine was fabricated in Italy by the Savema company in conjunction with TAG and Masonry Arts, Inc. of Bessemer, Alabama. The pristine white marble of the Sanctuary rises from a field colorful geometric patterns on the floors, columns, bases, and wainscot. Savema has created a magnificent European-style Church interior that provides a perfect setting from the gilded appointments made by TAG in Spain. Particular care was taken to suitably adorn the floor in the Vestry, where the priest vests for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The Vestry features a large octagonal design in the center of its marble floor.

The marble floor patterns in the nave of the Shrine include inlaid crosses of red jasper, a semi-precious stone from Turkey that demands great expertise in cutting and fitting. Jasper was one of the materials requested by God for the ornamentation of the original Temple in Jerusalem. Forming the long, delicate points of the star-shaped designs required such precision that the Savema artisans had to cut some of the marble with a water jet to prevent it from breaking off. Installation of all the marble and other stone in the Shrine was carefully and expertly accomplished by local Alabama craftsmen from Masonry Arts.

The Altars, designed by TAG in Madrid, were fabricated in Italy with unparalleled skill by Savema, of Bianco Sivec marble from Macedonia. The capitals of the Altar pillars are of the same marble, hand-carved, and gold-leafed. The Altars are inlaid with mosaics of glass and gold, commissioned by Masonry Arts. The mosaics were created by artisans in Pietrasanta, Italy, using a 400 year old method of hand-chiseling and fitting.

The stained-glass windows were made by the studios of Gustav van Treeck in Munich, Germany, where they were custom-drawn, painted, and fired with the traditional Munich-style methods used for centuries by the finest Bavarian glassmakers.

The exterior walls of the Shrine and Monastery are bricked with limestone composite bricks manufactured in Canada. The clay roof tiles of the Shrine and Monastery were molded and fired in Colombia. The 110-foot campanile houses a carillon of fourteen bells and a keyboard console. The bells are over one hundred years old.

The statue of the Divine Child Jesus in the Piazza was sculpted of statuary white marble from Carrara Italy. His Heart is carved from red jasper. The statue is patterned after a small plaster statue produced by the cloistered Carmelite nuns of Madrid.

The English-Tudor-style pavers of the border of the Piazza, Colonnade, and Esplanade, and the central herringbone pattern of the Piazza, were painstakingly laid under the direction of Masonry Arts by American and Brazilian craftsmen.

The Great Doors made of bronze are framed by limestone carbelled arches and columns, and are adorned with pictorial scenes of the Seven Joys and Seven Sorrows of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The transoms of the bronze minor doors to the North and South sides of the portico bear reliefs of Saint Francis and Saint Clare. Leading up to the portico are the steps and balustrades made of Giallo San Francisco granite from Brazil, inlaid with Verde Fontain from South Africa. The portico is ornamented with inlaid quatrefoils of Eagle Red granite from Finland.

Mother Angelica describes her own experience in building the Temple in the following words: “It’s unbelievable to me that, when our dear Lord asked for a Temple, and said that He would take care of those who helped us, I never in my wildest dreams thought it would be so beautiful. … At every turn He would change it. It got bigger and bigger, and more and more beautiful. We were going to put just ordinary floor tile in the Church; He guided us to put in marble. In every possible way He intercepted some of our ideas, and we could see what He wanted. And so this is truly a Church that God has built — a real Temple, a place where people can come and find rest for their souls, renewal for their faith, and an opportunity to receive the grace and peace, the forgiveness and the mercy that only God can give.
 
Satraile…

I know that you are new here, so maybe you don’t know how to be on this forum. Judge not, least ye be judged. Play nice or take your ball and go home. If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all…There is no excuse for being rude and judgemental.
I’m not being “rude and judgmental.” I don’t know what you mean by “maybe you don’t know how to be” but your comments were the rudest I have read on this thread. The fact I feel that shrine’s interior furnishings and floor are gauche is just that – my feelings, based largely on some knowledge of architecture and not on emotion. Attempt to refute them if you like, but please no more high-handed judgments (or threats) of your own.

People have brought up the quality of workmanship and materials, and how everything is so very “traditional” but I have yet to read a convincing comment about the excellence in design/decorating of that interior space.
 
One of the most distinctive features of the Shrine is its marble paving, patterns, and accents. Marble was selected from the Carrara Brescia, Aosta (Italian Alps), Verona, Lucca, Sicilia, and Pietrasanta regions of Italy, as well as from Macedonia, Valencia in Spain, Brazil, South Africa, and Finland. The marble throughout the Shrine was fabricated in Italy by the Savema company in conjunction with TAG and Masonry Arts, Inc. of Bessemer, Alabama. The pristine white marble of the Sanctuary rises from a field colorful geometric patterns on the floors, columns, bases, and wainscot. Savema has created a magnificent European-style Church interior that provides a perfect setting from the gilded appointments made by TAG in Spain. Particular care was taken to suitably adorn the floor in the Vestry, where the priest vests for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The Vestry features a large octagonal design in the center of its marble floor.

The marble floor patterns in the nave of the Shrine include inlaid crosses of red jasper, a semi-precious stone from Turkey that demands great expertise in cutting and fitting. Jasper was one of the materials requested by God for the ornamentation of the original Temple in Jerusalem. Forming the long, delicate points of the star-shaped designs required such precision that the Savema artisans had to cut some of the marble with a water jet to prevent it from breaking off. Installation of all the marble and other stone in the Shrine was carefully and expertly accomplished by local Alabama craftsmen from Masonry Arts.

The Altars, designed by TAG in Madrid, were fabricated in Italy with unparalleled skill by Savema, of Bianco Sivec marble from Macedonia. The capitals of the Altar pillars are of the same marble, hand-carved, and gold-leafed. The Altars are inlaid with mosaics of glass and gold, commissioned by Masonry Arts. The mosaics were created by artisans in Pietrasanta, Italy, using a 400 year old method of hand-chiseling and fitting.

The stained-glass windows were made by the studios of Gustav van Treeck in Munich, Germany, where they were custom-drawn, painted, and fired with the traditional Munich-style methods used for centuries by the finest Bavarian glassmakers.

The exterior walls of the Shrine and Monastery are bricked with limestone composite bricks manufactured in Canada. The clay roof tiles of the Shrine and Monastery were molded and fired in Colombia. The 110-foot campanile houses a carillon of fourteen bells and a keyboard console. The bells are over one hundred years old.

The statue of the Divine Child Jesus in the Piazza was sculpted of statuary white marble from Carrara Italy. His Heart is carved from red jasper. The statue is patterned after a small plaster statue produced by the cloistered Carmelite nuns of Madrid.

The English-Tudor-style pavers of the border of the Piazza, Colonnade, and Esplanade, and the central herringbone pattern of the Piazza, were painstakingly laid under the direction of Masonry Arts by American and Brazilian craftsmen.

The Great Doors made of bronze are framed by limestone carbelled arches and columns, and are adorned with pictorial scenes of the Seven Joys and Seven Sorrows of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The transoms of the bronze minor doors to the North and South sides of the portico bear reliefs of Saint Francis and Saint Clare. Leading up to the portico are the steps and balustrades made of Giallo San Francisco granite from Brazil, inlaid with Verde Fontain from South Africa. The portico is ornamented with inlaid quatrefoils of Eagle Red granite from Finland.

Mother Angelica describes her own experience in building the Temple in the following words: “It’s unbelievable to me that, when our dear Lord asked for a Temple, and said that He would take care of those who helped us, I never in my wildest dreams thought it would be so beautiful. … At every turn He would change it. It got bigger and bigger, and more and more beautiful. We were going to put just ordinary floor tile in the Church; He guided us to put in marble. In every possible way He intercepted some of our ideas, and we could see what He wanted. And so this is truly a Church that God has built — a real Temple, a place where people can come and find rest for their souls, renewal for their faith, and an opportunity to receive the grace and peace, the forgiveness and the mercy that only God can give.
So? 🤷
 
Was it just me, or was seeing the Latin Mass offered on a free standing altar somewhat weird? It would have been okay if the candles were really really tall, but they weren’t and it somehow looked off…
 
Folks, this discussion is going nowhere. What he have on one side is a camp of modernists, fully entrenched in their modern sensibilities, speaking about how they “feel.” On the other side, we have the Catholic Church of all time in her traditional splendor and glory. It is a contrived argument, as there is no argument. It’s like an ant cursing at the sun.
 
Folks, this discussion is going nowhere. What he have on one side is a camp of modernists, fully entrenched in their modern sensibilities, speaking about how they “feel.” On the other side, we have the Catholic Church of all time in her traditional splendor and glory. It is a contrived argument, as there is no argument. It’s like an ant cursing at the sun.
You are flat-out wrong.

You keep trying to make this a “traditionalist” versus “modernist” debate and it’s not – no matter how hard you might try or how confused you become.

I said I think the shine is rather gauche. More specifically the interior furnishings and flooring has a very disjointed and “catalog architecture” look to me. Others didn’t care for other elements – vestments, etc.

But I didn’t hear anyone attack the Tridentine Mass, nor did I hear anyone suggest it was celebrated poorly.

I’m sorry but YOUR contrived “argument” (actually an attempt at a justification) does not justify a gauche looking shrine.
 
Folks, this discussion is going nowhere. What he have on one side is a camp of modernists, fully entrenched in their modern sensibilities, speaking about how they “feel.” On the other side, we have the Catholic Church of all time in her traditional splendor and glory. It is a contrived argument, as there is no argument. It’s like an ant cursing at the sun.

I agree----the more they speak —the more it is exemplified.
 
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