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thomas_jd said:
You may consider joining a secular third order.
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Considered it most of my adult life.

I’m working on it. 😉 Kind of trying to find which one “fits”.

Thanks, though, for suggesting it.

Pax†
 
Roy5 said:
Okay. Let me respectfully dissent.

I have watched many hours of EWTN - and still do. But I see it as the ‘Old Guard’ within Catholicism. Much that is good is presented, but the overall impression I get is that the Church needs to remain pat, resist any and all change, and even turn the clock back aways.
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As opposed to the ‘New Guard’ which believes that the Church’s teachings must change to accommodate the times? I’ll stick with the ‘Old Guard’: EWTN, the Magisterium of the Church, and Saints Peter and Paul.
One is ‘Women of Grace’. I know the women leader means well, but she is too dogmatic.
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Dogma: the established belief or doctrine held by a religion. Not a problem, IMHO.
Second, “Journey Home”. I know the host tries to sound moderate, but most of the time it is bent on not-so-subtly assailing Protestantism in one form or another. Gosh, the Reformation happened nearly 500 years ago. We live in an ecumenical age.
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Sadly, if you believe that ecumenical means one truth is the same as another truth. That all religions are equally valid. If you think that ecumenical means the idea of a Christian unity in the literal meaning: that there should be a single Christian Church, then there is no problem with the Journey Home. There should be a single Christian Church; One Holy Catholic and Apostolic.

Protestants seem to live to assail Catholicism. This show addresses people who have come back home, realizing that there is only one Church that possesses the Fullness of Truth.
He preaches the old Catholicism that emphasized unquestioning obedience to the Church. Hey, we live in 2010 and Americans are much better educated and most of them, especially the young, are turned off when they are told that they must obey Mother Church.
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Again, sadly. I would call ‘old Catholicism’ ‘orthodox.’ Americans believe they are ‘much better educated’ to the point of arrogance that you attribute to Father Corapi. They are also much ‘less better’ catechized, and believe that they can pick and choose what they obey Mother Church on. I think of these ‘new guard’ as cafeteria Catholics at best, or closet Protestants.

They MUST obey Mother Church. If they disagree with the teachings of the Church, they should first look to why they lack understanding, not to why the ‘old Guard’ doesn’t agree with their superior wisdom.

I tried it their way. I was wrong, and came back home. EWTN helped. Thus ends my respectful dissent.

God Bless You.
 
Black Beard: Please watch “The Church Suffering”. It’s on EWTN Sunday nights at 11pm. I look forward to your comments.
 
Look to EWTN to see what your parish should be doing. Compare their Mass to your parish Mass. The greater the discrepancy, the farther removed your parish is from the true teachings of the Church. Mother Angelica, who founded EWTN, was actually the instrument God used to found it. You can rest assured it has flourished because of Him. Mother Angelica would be the first one to tell you that. Therefore, you can be quite sure that you can trust EWTN, especially for it’s Mass. Of course every program is not perfect. There is no substitute for educating yourself.
 
Truism said:
Black Beard: Please watch “The Church Suffering”. It’s on EWTN Sunday nights at 11pm. I look forward to your comments.
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Did you mean The Suffering Church? I don’t see it at that time (via Internet to my DVR). I’ll have to try and find it.

In the meantime, could you tell me how it’s relevant to my post? Or is it just a viewing recommendation? Just asking…
 
Truism said:
Look to EWTN to see what your parish should be doing. Compare their Mass to your parish Mass. .
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That would not be a fair comparison. Allow me to explain why. We, Franciscans, do not use the Roman Missal or the GIRM. We have our own missal, lectionary and breviary. The general instructions are based on our tradition. If you observe closely, we even follow a different liturgical calendar. There are days when our calendar and the Roman calendar do not coincide. The readings are different. We may have three readings instead of two. We may have a gloria when no one else has one. We may have different prayers and different propers.

Then there is the general structure of our chapels. Observe that there are no communion rails and if you were there, you would not see kneelers in the pews. The friars do not participate in the mass that’s celebrated with the laity, unless they are serving. There is another mass that’s celebrated off-camera for the friars.

Then there are little customs that are very Franciscan and other orders or diocesan priests do not have as part of their heritage. For example, you’ll notice that the friars concelebrate with visiting priests, but they do not concelebrate with each other. That’s only done on special occasions. Lay people do not do the readings, because the student-friars take presedence over the laity. The honor is given to them. Parishes do not have student-friars. Genuflecting before receiving communion is an ancient custom, because we do not kneel during communion. Some do and some do not. It depends on the superior of the house. For the women, it was up to the abbess of each house.

Their sanctuary is very small. In the larger chapels the tabernacle can be placed either behind the main altar or on the side wall, as long as it is very visible from all points in the chapel. From our early days, we never had the large conventual chapels that monks did. Often, monasteries have two spaces, a monastic church and a chapel. The tabernacle is in the chapel, not in the monastery church. We never had two spaces, because our houses only had one space for everything: mass, private prayer, and LOTH.

It’s not properly a rite. Franciscans have never had their own rite. But we have customs that are almost 800 years old and you would not find them in parishes run by dioceses. Even when our friars run those parishes, they go with whatever the local bishop requires or allows.

Don’t judge parishes against what you see in the chapels of religious communities. They have their own way of doing things. Their way is not always generalizeable. If you were watching a conventual mass celebrated by Carthusians, you would see them bend over the altar. Dominicans would wear a cowl at the beginning of mass and at the end. Capuchins would kick off their shoes at the door. There are just a lot of little things that are different, but not the norm for everyone.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
God used EWTN to get me back into His Church and the practice of my faith.

I love them and totally support them 100%. (Especially Mother Angelica!)
 
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