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Digitonomy
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No need to dodge my question.
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twf
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bpbasilphx: The Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, was led to believe that the Latin Church was in need of St. Paul’s ideal…celibacy as the higher path, the ideal path, was advocated by St. Paul in 1 Cor. 7 long before Rome made her “changes”.
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Maxply
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Yes it’s a good thing to have ex-Anglicans enter the Catholic Church! It’s a time for a certain kind of quiet rejoicing, keeping in mind the reasons that led them to us.
I cannot understand the belligerence of the Anglican leaders in persisting in their wrongheaded “liberal” drive. Certainly it’s a kind of powerful willfulness.
At the end of the day, I’m missing out on the reason why church teachings must change, rather than bad practices.
I cannot understand the belligerence of the Anglican leaders in persisting in their wrongheaded “liberal” drive. Certainly it’s a kind of powerful willfulness.
At the end of the day, I’m missing out on the reason why church teachings must change, rather than bad practices.
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Grace_Angel
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I can see you dodged my question too.
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Digitonomy
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Your question appeared to be rhetorical. Mine was serious: do you actually contend what it appeared to me you did?
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Cobbfmly
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Jesus was not married.
However, Jesus chose a married man to be the first pope (newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm#IV)).
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Evangel
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Married Anglican priests becoming married Catholic priests really isn’t a big deal. The Catholic Church has married priests in both the Eastern churches and the Latin rite (e.g., past converts from the Anglican “Communion”). I know married priests. The addition of more “marrieds” into the Latin rite will not substantially affect the married:celebate ratio or the discipline. By and large married convert priests will need to pastor the community that follows them across the Tiber. They just won’t be seen by most Catholics.
And frankly, I highly doubt the Church will ever forego celibacy as the general rule because (1) they couldn’t afford to budget higher salaries for families (vs. individuals) and (2) they don’t want to deal with inevitable clerical divorces, community property suits, custody battles, etc. (I’m not saying that will be the preponderant outcome, just a likely outcome in a few cases that the media will focus on). I also highly doubt such venal calculations enter into the pope’s thought process.
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The more I read of this string the more my heart cringes at the inane/pedant ideas of priesthood which are being discussed or bandied about. I want a priesthood according to the order of Jesus Christ. I dont want a priesthood which is simply another job.Married Anglican priests becoming married Catholic priests really isn’t a big deal. The Catholic Church has married priests in both the Eastern churches and the Latin rite (e.g., past converts from the Anglican “Communion”). I know married priests. The addition of more “marrieds” into the Latin rite will not substantially affect the married:celebate ratio or the discipline. By and large married convert priests will need to pastor the community that follows them across the Tiber. They just won’t be seen by most Catholics.
And frankly, I highly doubt the Church will ever forego celibacy as the general rule because (1) they couldn’t afford to budget higher salaries for families (vs. individuals) and (2) they don’t want to deal with inevitable clerical divorces, community property suits, custody battles, etc. (I’m not saying that will be the preponderant outcome, just a likely outcome in a few cases that the media will focus on). I also highly doubt such venal calculations enter into the pope’s thought process.
Cheers
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jesuitinnam
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Nobody is bandying about any new or fresh ideas Grace Angel. The priesthood is and will remain a vocation, not a job. I really do not understand your apprehension. You should try and get to listen to EWTN - Mondays there’s a programme hosted by Mr Marcus Grodi - he interviews plenty of Anglican and other recovering Protestant minsters - some of whom are now ordained priests. This is an old provision and has been in practice for decades. It enables pastors to bring entire parishes over to the Catholic Church instead of individual conversion as we have in my country. As far as I am aware, it only applies to the USA. You’re in Australia.
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Rand_Al_Thor
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Great news! I have been looking forward to this since I read about it a couple years ago. Hopefully there will be an Anglican Use parish in Oregon somewhere! I’ve never been to one.
In Christ,
Rand
In Christ,
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RWMorris
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As I have mentioned in other posts, we are former Episcopalians who have left that church with all its corruption and have made the one true Holy Catholic Church our home.
I do miss our old Anglican rite at times; the beauty of the language and the reverence with which it was held; the beautiful music…things at times we lack at Mass in our present parish. However those are minor issues and we are thrilled to have swum the Tiber.
I am asking that all who read this EARNESTLY pray for those orthodox Anglicans. This is, as I know from personal experience, a time of anguish for them. The spiritual corruption presented by liberal bishops and clergy has had a devastating effect on parishioners. Personally, our grown children have left ECUSA and now one son doesn’t attend any church, since he thinks all churches are corrupt. The others, sadly, have gotten caught up in Evangelical Christianity, where they have been led astray by some very questionable doctrines. Please pray for them, and for all who have experienced trauma from ECUSA’s policies.
I do miss our old Anglican rite at times; the beauty of the language and the reverence with which it was held; the beautiful music…things at times we lack at Mass in our present parish. However those are minor issues and we are thrilled to have swum the Tiber.
I am asking that all who read this EARNESTLY pray for those orthodox Anglicans. This is, as I know from personal experience, a time of anguish for them. The spiritual corruption presented by liberal bishops and clergy has had a devastating effect on parishioners. Personally, our grown children have left ECUSA and now one son doesn’t attend any church, since he thinks all churches are corrupt. The others, sadly, have gotten caught up in Evangelical Christianity, where they have been led astray by some very questionable doctrines. Please pray for them, and for all who have experienced trauma from ECUSA’s policies.
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catharina
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About 25 yrs ago, I recall that an Anglican parish in/near Columbia SC became Roman Catholic. The conversion process took about two years for all parishoners, the priests and yes, their wives. It was a wonderful example of what CAN be achieved. None of this happened in a “hurry up” mode and the priests did indeed become Roman Catholic priests.
As for RC priests “objecting,” there were no such objections.
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Grace_Angel
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I guess you said. You are in USA and I am in Australia and I still want a priesthood according to Jesus Christ.
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Digitonomy
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It sounds like we’re all in agreement on wanting a priesthood according to Jesus Christ. Are there additional requirements you want to spell out? I think it would be cool if all priests followed in the tradition of Jesus by teaching in the temple from the age of 14.
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DL82
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What happens if Anglican Bishops want to convert? There are quite a few in the Traditional Anglican Communion (the guys who met in Jerusalem recently).
Would they be ordained Catholic Bishops right away? If so, would they only have jurisdiction over Anglican Use parishes (like Eastern Rite bishops) or would they join the wider Roman Rite? Would their parish priests be expected to follow them into the Church (actually, that’s a question for each priest’s conscience)? Could the Church accept married Bishops, which have never been part of the Church (neither East nor West) in its’ tradition?
I think it would be great if the whole Anglican Communion came home, but as many as want to are always welcome!
Would they be ordained Catholic Bishops right away? If so, would they only have jurisdiction over Anglican Use parishes (like Eastern Rite bishops) or would they join the wider Roman Rite? Would their parish priests be expected to follow them into the Church (actually, that’s a question for each priest’s conscience)? Could the Church accept married Bishops, which have never been part of the Church (neither East nor West) in its’ tradition?
I think it would be great if the whole Anglican Communion came home, but as many as want to are always welcome!
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jesuitinnam
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No Ma’am. I never said i was in the USA. I’m in Namibia - visiting. I’m studying for the priesthood - and I hope according to your requirements - in South Africa and the United Kingdom.
Sleep well and God bless
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jesuitinnam
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Hi there
The Catholic Church still does not accept married bishops. The bishops who do convert, can be ordained as priests, but they are not ordained as bishops.
Greetings
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Rand_Al_Thor
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I would think that there would be a chance of having an Anglican Rite similar to the Eastern Rites in which the Anglican bishops oversee their parishes rather than having them under a Roman Rite bishop. Of course, as jesuitinnam pointed out above, they would not be able to be bishops if they were married. Priests yes, but bishops no. Those of their bishops who are not married would probably be able to make the switch without problems if Rome decides to have the Anglican Rite parishes run similarly to the Eastern Rites.
In Christ,
Rand
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bear06
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Well lookie here! It looks like that horribly, awful ecumenism worked again.
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