Ex Jehovah's Witness here...

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I just don’t get it. If you were trying to get away from rules and false doctrine, why Catholicism. Don’t they have like their entire whole other book of rules that are supposed to be more holy that the bible. Traditions or whatever you want to call them. I am trying to understand but cannot.
Scripture and Tradition are two parts of the same whole, which is the Church that Jesus founded upon the Apostles. Scripture, the Bible, most particularly the New Testament (The Old Testament is Hebrew Scripture) is an expression of Tradition. Jesus didn’t write a book, he founded a Church, and assured this Church that he would be with us until the end of time, and that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it.

This is a very simplistic explaination. There are more detailed explainations, and I’m sure someone else can give a better simple one than I can. It is important, though, to get it right, that there is no divide between Scripture (New Testament) and Tradition. Tradition begins with Jesus. The Bible was written by and canonized by, the Church that Jesus founded. The Church came first. Apostolic authority came first. The Bible wasn’t put together into its present form until the 4th century. When it was put together by the Church, the bishops were operating under the guidance of Tradition.
 
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I just don’t get it. If you were trying to get away from rules and false doctrine, why Catholicism. Don’t they have like their entire whole other book of rules that are supposed to be more holy that the bible. Traditions or whatever you want to call them. I am trying to understand but cannot.
Hi dissapointed1,
The Catholic church makes no book of rules and it is not holier than the bible. I am assuming you are talking about the catechism.That is some misunderstanding you have there on our faith. Take things slow, trust me I know it was hard for me too. I wasnt a JW but I know how hard it is to understand the Churches position on many issues. Faith and Social.
As far as the priest goes you might want to check out
www.silentlambs.org
Pedophilia happens everywhere all the time in many faiths and even in our homes sometimes.

Take your time.🙂
 
Welcome brother! 👋

I am an ex-JW also. I’ve been out for about 14 years now. I would honestly say it has taken me this long to get them out of my brain. Occasionally I will still have nasty flashbacks. Someone recently asked me what my favorite hymn was and I said “From house to house… from door to door…” YIKES… that was from my Watchtower days! Nevermind!

I remember being right where you are… not wanting to bother with any other “religion” - and I too bought a KJV Bible, which by the way is sort of a tricky read. There are other translations that are much easier to “get.” Just keep praying for God to show you the way… He will.
Also, this is a very nice site… the questions & answers are very interesting - I think you could learn alot - but all in good time - first you need to purge your brain of all the junk they filled it with. It’s a difficult process… I will pray for you. 🙂
Gung ho youll be in my paryers in my after noon walk. I pray the Lord will make your path smooth and strait to the promise of salvation by and in the name of Jesus the only name in which there is salvation and happiness. Carol marie, is there really a "door to Door jingle and how dose it go if there is one? I have an older brother who has been a JW’ for about 30 years. I pray he will finally come to his God given senses.
 
Ok, I took you up on this. I was already aware of the man Charles Russel and one thing I think you have them on is that the Catholic Church has been around alot longer but man I am shocked at the orgin of the Catholic Church. First of all, where did you get that it was founded by Christ? I tried to find that, I could not. Christ died in about 33 A.D. or thereabouts. He should have been in his early 30’s. The Catholic Religion came into existense some 280 years later if I am not mistaken. The sad part is that it seems to have taken a bunch of pagan beliefs and tried to make them Christian. I don’t know I fundamentally have an issue with that. I am looking for truth not convenience. I truth says something is bad I want no part of it, that’s why I have issue with the Catholics. They were founded on pagan worship. Adopting them and making them Christian Friendly sort of gives me a weird feeling. I guess I am curious how you settleed on Catholicism. I am trying to sort out the things you mentioned about JWs. Other people have different things to say about the same things and they sound a little different…still searching
Disappointed, I’m glad you are searching. If you keep searching, you will find what you’re looking for. Don’t forget prayer. Prayer is crucial. Don’t depend solely upon your own human understanding, though don’t reject human understanding either. God gave you a brain, and he expects you to use it. It appears to me, from what you’ve written, that you have had some cult-type indoctrinations that are falsehoods. These won’t be easy to discard. If you’ve spent years in a cult, it will probably take at least many months, if not years, to thoroughly purge yourself of the falsehoods. So be patient and prayerful. Also think about being submissive and humble. While we need to use our intelligence to perceive truth, we do truly need to be humble, and acknowledge that we will not comprehend everything. I keep hearing people say things like you are saying: “I have an issue with that.” Don’t elevate your issues into gods. There is only one God, and he will lead you into truth, if you will humble yourself before him, admit that your powers of understanding are extremely limited, and in fact are probably the main reason you’ve been led in the past into heresy.

Well, I will pray about your situation in prayer when I say my Rosary and at Mass, and in adoration before the Blessed Sacrament. I hope the very best for you, that you will come to know the freedom from all anxiety that God wishes for us all.
 
So what is your story? What eventually led you out of the JWs? Also did you lose all faith in God or just in the JWs.
This is not a question that can be answered in a few quick lines, so I need to get another cup of coffee…I’m back…

Oh my, where to start…Ok, well let me just try and give you the “Cliff’s Notes” of my journey. My mother (a truely gentle spirit that I loved deeply…even if she had been mislead) found “the truth” the year I was born. My Dad did not fall for it. But my Mom became a very powerful force in my life, guilting me into the truth by basically telling me I was going to die at Armagedon (which was ALWAYS “just around the corner”) if I didn’t. So although I was allowed to lets say…go hunting with my Dad, I was told that it would be wrong for me to have a good time. I kid you not. And this was just one of the many mind games that were played on me.

So, I was “raised in the truth.” It was all I ever knew. Because all of my extended family were “in the world” we/I had very little if any contact with them as I was growing up. All I knew, and and my so called friends were at “the hall.” When I was 15 I was baptised as a JW…which basically meant I had swore an oath to be a loyal card carrying JW. Now if I did not toe the line, they could DF me. Which would have been a crushing blow. (As a matter of fact, I lost three of my freinds from my youth to suicide…and I think I know why.) So they had me. But I was never what you would call a team player. I had never made a conscious decission to join this group, but had just been raised as one. So, as I got older I started to walk the line, and in some cases live what the JW’s call a “double life.” I learned their game very well indeed. I knew what I could do and not do to avoid a DF…and as I got older knew what NOT to get caught doing. And keep in mind this was nothing bad by “worldly” standards. So life went on, and on…(BTW, I did not view this as being dishonest…I felt I had no choice to maintain my sanity.)

Then things started happening that opened my eyes to the evil of this group. I learned many new things on the Internet, and confirmed them elsewhere. One of the first real eye openers for me was the fact that the Governing Body (12 members of the Little Flock or 144,000…the ones going to heaven) in New York had admited they were not inspired…and that they did not always agree on what was right. A two thirds vote was needed to make policy. I found that a few of my friends had been DF’ed on things that at least HALF of the Body thought was OK!! Again, this is just one of many things that got me thinking. But I think the main thing was a lack of love being shown. Shepards are supposed to sheppard and love their flock, not crack the whip on them…and this is what I saw over and over. I could go on and on, but I guess it came down to the straw that broke the camels back. My youngest son (who probably was suffering the same fate as me, since his Mom is a true believer, and I’m not) did what even good teenage boys do…he did a little “touchy feelly” with his (at the time) soon to be wife. BTW, they could not have gone to far because we were home at the time and “thought” we were being good chaperones.) Anyway, he felt guilty and went and confessed to the Elders. And to make a long story short, they cracked the whip on him and DF’ed him! And to make it worse, he thinks he deserved it! Now he has been cut off from all his friends and family beside us.

That was it. That tore it. I had been going to a couple of meetings each month, just to keep the wife happy. But that was it. Something inside me said “enough.” I told my wife in a gentle but firm voice, that I was never going to set foot inside the Hall again. I told her among other things that I did not want to be there when the “Kool-Aid” came out. (A reference to Jim Jones that she did not care for.) I then went out to my office, opened my safe, and took out a gift that had been given to me years ago…a cross. I put it on. And yes…this is another DF offense. JW’s consider the symbol of Christianity to be a DF offense.

So…Dang, these were the Cliff’s notes?..At this point I feel that my mind has been brainwashed by these people. - I feel Jaded for lack of a better word. I have tried to read the KJV on my own, and although I can see the differences, I just don’t know what to believe. All my life being loyal to God meant being loyal to the “organization.” When I try to think of God, it is hard for me to not see JW Elders/Overseers cracking the whip. So do you see what I mean when I use the word “scarred?”
 
I am an ex-JW. I was raised as a JW since I was five years old. I pioneered and served at Bethel.
I’m glad your here. I think that only ex-JW’s can truely understand the Hell we were put through on our journey out of the “Borg.” And BTW, I and many others use the term Borg because in so many ways the Society mirrors the Borg in Star Trek. And this is not to minimize anyone elses comments. I sincerely thank all who responded to my posts. You have no idea how much it helps.
 
I’m impressed. . . you guys getting away from JW and Mormon stuff have tremendous strength. Impressive.
 
I just don’t get it. If you were trying to get away from rules and false doctrine, why Catholicism. Don’t they have like their entire whole other book of rules that are supposed to be more holy that the bible. Traditions or whatever you want to call them. I am trying to understand but cannot
Ok…for one thing I hope you understood that my “bio” was a take off of the Austin Powers movie. But I was trying to show that all is not well inside “the tower.” - Second, at this point my mind is open, and I do not feel the need to explain to you or anyone why I’m thinking about the Catholic religion.
 
The Catholic Religion came into existense some 280 years later if I am not mistaken.
Wrong! It was established by Jesus and handed down to us via the Apostles (apsotlic succession).
 
Ok, I took you up on this. I was already aware of the man Charles Russel and one thing I think you have them on is that the Catholic Church has been around alot longer but man I am shocked at the orgin of the Catholic Church. First of all, where did you get that it was founded by Christ? I tried to find that, I could not. Christ died in about 33 A.D. or thereabouts. He should have been in his early 30’s. The Catholic Religion came into existense some 280 years later if I am not mistaken. The sad part is that it seems to have taken a bunch of pagan beliefs and tried to make them Christian. I don’t know I fundamentally have an issue with that. I am looking for truth not convenience. I truth says something is bad I want no part of it, that’s why I have issue with the Catholics. They were founded on pagan worship. Adopting them and making them Christian Friendly sort of gives me a weird feeling. I guess I am curious how you settleed on Catholicism. I am trying to sort out the things you mentioned about JWs. Other people have different things to say about the same things and they sound a little different…still searching
This is a common slander that is put out by groups like the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I would encourage you to look into this a bit more from some unbiased sources possibly.
Why not try an encyclopedia?
You will find that the Catholic Church has existed since Jesus.
Now people might disagree that the Catholic Church has stayed uncorrupt but there is no proof of founding of the Catholic Church except by Jesus.
Unless you read some fundamentalist site or Jehovah’s Witness site.

I encourage you to go to unbiased sources, you don’t even need to check Catholic ones, check secular sources.
like this
britannica.com/

Or if you want to read non catholic Christian sites check out Calvin College.
ccel.org/fathers.html

If you are worried about paganism I suggest you check out this book by Ralph Woodrow, (he is not Catholic either)
ralphwoodrow.org/books/pages/babylon-connection.html
He wrote a book condemning Catholicism as pagan then researched it and withdrew his book and wrote a new book.

God Bless and check the sites out.
Scylla
 
I find some of what you put down to be interesting. I did not know that giving a toast was a DF offense. I am guessing that you mean disfellowshipping? This stuff all strikes me as curious, the complaints of people who call themselves ex Jehovah’s Witnesses that is. They seem like they are really trying to do what the bible says to do. Maybe they are to strictly adhearing to the bible. Is that what you mean by controlling. I am trying to find a reason not to investigate them more and all I hear is that they are too prudent, or restrictive or many different was of saying that they basically deprive themselves in the interest of trying to be God fearing, or Jehovah fearing however you put it.
Let me ask you something else. This thing about the end, are you saying now that you don’t believe that things willl end in Armagedon? Are you guys really not allowed to get married and go to college? If that is the case I wonder if the JW"S I know from school are DF’d?
It is a whole lot more complicated than you suggest? First the name jehovah will save no man or woman. Jesus is the only name given in heaven and earth that will save. The JW you claim who are going to higher education are disobeying an earlier injunction from JW doctrine to make provisions to (name removed by moderator)rove their lives for the futures sake. This is because of the many predictions of the end that the false prophet the Watchtower has made.It is so sad these people have been taught that Jesus is a deciever but the name Jehovah will save. Gung ho pray for your wife and understand it is impossible for men to love their wives fully without loving Jesus first who then commands us to love our wives as our self. It is at iff you are at the end of a long dark tunnel with a p(name removed by moderator)oint of light at the other end. Brush aside your fear and panic proceed through the tunnel to the glorious light of Jesus. If you consider the Catholic church look first at where you have come out of and all them other crazed attack religions, then come home to the Church Jesus founded and understand Catholic do not need to attack as we have Jesus at our back and all around us. Fear not.
 
Could I ask what the Catholic veiw of hunting (for food) and self-defense is? One of the things I got from my Dad (who was rifle instructor in WW2…and received the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, and Siver Star) was the enjoyment of hunting, and being a good shot. …He did his best to teach me to ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth, as 'ole Jeff Cooper would say.

BTW, that was one of the things that just drove my local congregation nuts. I let it be known that I had a CCW (permit to carry) and that I would defend my family from life threatning danger with deadly force if necessary. And they had a fit when they found out I attended “Gunsite.”

As you can see, as I got older I became more and more like my Dad.

BTW, I have all his medals and awards in a nice display case over my desk. And no, the wife doesn’t care for that either.
 
carol marie;1800311:
… am shocked at the orgin of the Catholic Church. First of all, where did you get that it was founded by Christ? I tried to find that, I could not. Christ died in about 33 A.D. or thereabouts. He should have been in his early 30’s. The Catholic Religion came into existense some 280 years later if I am not mistaken. The sad part is that it seems to have taken a bunch of pagan beliefs and tried to make them Christian. I don’t know I fundamentally have an issue with that. I am looking for truth not convenience. I truth says something is bad I want no part of it, that’s why I have issue with the Catholics. They were founded on pagan worship. Adopting them and making them Christian Friendly sort of gives me a weird feeling. I guess I am curious how you settleed on Catholicism. I am trying to sort out the things you mentioned about JWs. Other people have different things to say about the same things and they sound a little different…still searching
Uh, the above tracks with JW claims as well as inaccurate Fundamentalist charges against the CC–as well as Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code nonsense. So Gung Ho, most of what dissapointed poisted probably already looks familiar to you.

Since dissapointed seems to be claiming the Catholic Church wasn’t founded until Nicea I (325 AD) here is just ONE citation that refutes him

Ignatius of Antioch

“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains . Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (*Letter to the Smyrneans *8:2 [A.D. 110]).

and for plenty of other citations: catholic.com/library/What_Catholic_Means.asp
 
Could I ask what the Catholic veiw of hunting (for food) and self-defense is? One of the things I got from my Dad (who was rifle instructor in WW2…and received the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, and Siver Star) was the enjoyment of hunting, and being a good shot. …He did his best to teach me to ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth, as 'ole Jeff Cooper would say.

BTW, that was one of the things that just drove my local congregation nuts. I let it be known that I had a CCW (permit to carry) and that I would defend my family from life threatning danger with deadly force if necessary. And they had a fit when they found out I attended “Gunsite.”

As you can see, as I got older I became more and more like my Dad.

BTW, I have all his medals and awards in a nice display case over my desk. And no, the wife doesn’t care for that either.
Fellow self-defense and “gun nut” (and sword & knife nut too 😃 ) here! The Catholic position, as I understand it is an individual posseses a God-given right to defend his and other’s lives against unprovoked attack, up to and including lethal means if that is what is necessary.

“Roman Catholic Doctrine: Christian doctrine has long asserted the right and duty of self defense. “Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow.” See Catechism of the Catholic Church 1994, sections 2263-65 (citing and quoting Thomas Aquinas).” cited from jpfo.org/sixaboutsecond.htm
 
We are required to defend others and not look for the wimpy way out, in a self defense issue.

Medals no prob…
Heck, we have statues of Mary, medals are not going to bother a Catholic one bit.
You can also put up a flag, there is no problem in loving your country.

You can also go to college and study philosophy if you want, all truth is useful to know.

God Bless
Scylla
 
I guess I am curious how you settleed on Catholicism.
I choose the Catholic Church because I do believe that God uses an “organization” (to quote the JW’s) - only I would call it a Church - the Catholic Church.

When Jesus left his disciples, he didn’t hand them a Bible & say, “Here’s the instuction manual… refer to this ONLY” - nope… He established a Church to instruct His people. In fact, the Bible didn’t come along for a few hundered years… and again, it was that original “Church” that decided, through the power of the Holy Spirit, which of the hundreds of religious writings should be cannonized.

All other Chirstian denominations have been an off-shoot of that original Church - made up by men, which is in direct violation of Jesus’ request that we be one - as He & the Father are One.

The JW’s aren’t anything new… history is filled with men who claimed to be prophets… Jesus predicted this… (“many will come in my name…”) but since all of their prophecies have failed - they are false prophets.

Besides, the Catholic Church has the Eucharist. Read John Chapter 6 - and then we can discuss that. 🙂
 
Fellow self-defense and “gun nut” (and sword & knife nut too ) here! The Catholic position, as I understand it is an individual posseses a God-given right to defend his and other’s lives against unprovoked attack, up to and including lethal means if that is what is necessary.
That is good to know. My brother in law (true believing Elder) once told me that even if he could, he would not defend his family from violent death, with a firearm. He said he would leave it in Jehovah’s hands. JW’s do not believe in keeping firearms for self-defense…and take a pretty dim view of self-defense in general. Personally I take the defense of my family very seriously, and could not live with myself if I let something happen to them, that I could have prevented with the proper tools and training.
 
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