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Porknpie
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Straying a bit from the intent of the thread… 
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kimg901
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Oops, we didStraying a bit from the intent of the thread…
Back to the topic. I left from mormonism because I was told to read about the things that where/are being taught. Most important was that dark skinned people were the seed of Cain and we were not as valiant as the whites in the pre-life or some b.s. So why would I want to be in a religion that says I couldnt reach the highest levels of mormon heaven because of my skin 
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jorsalfar
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I would love to meet you; please send your phone number and I will call to discuss.
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kimg901
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Do you live here in Utah? That would be better than on the phone.
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IdahoHusker
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I can see the points to all sides in this debate, but I think it is very important that Christians, especially ex-Mormon Christians, treat our Mormon friends charitably, even when we may not have been treated so well.
I am very familiar with stories of local church leaders encouraging the Moromon parent to get custody from the non-Mormon parent. They believe the LDS faith is the the only true religion and only Mormons will gain the temple and the highest heaven, so naturally “rescuing” children from a non-Mormon, and especially perceived anti-Mormon environment, is important. In their minds, they are rescuing the children from a family that won’t be an “eternal family.” But I also know that the church doesn’t officially sanction kidnapping. And I know of just as many stories (inlcuding in my own family) where the non-Mormon parent is treated as well as the Mormon parent by all involved.
When dealing with Mormon friends and family members, it is absolutely essential that we keep the discussion focused on who Jesus Christ is and what He means to us and not on the human frailities of people in all faiths. As I posted above, their definition of Jesus is radically different than ours, enough so that they cannot be considered Christian in the theological sense, even though they are good and devout people. We need to hellp them understand why and do so in a manner that is respectful. Try and recall how you felt about the LDS Church when you were closest to it. This is how most of them feel. Thanks for hearing me out and may God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, one God forever more, bless you all!
I am very familiar with stories of local church leaders encouraging the Moromon parent to get custody from the non-Mormon parent. They believe the LDS faith is the the only true religion and only Mormons will gain the temple and the highest heaven, so naturally “rescuing” children from a non-Mormon, and especially perceived anti-Mormon environment, is important. In their minds, they are rescuing the children from a family that won’t be an “eternal family.” But I also know that the church doesn’t officially sanction kidnapping. And I know of just as many stories (inlcuding in my own family) where the non-Mormon parent is treated as well as the Mormon parent by all involved.
When dealing with Mormon friends and family members, it is absolutely essential that we keep the discussion focused on who Jesus Christ is and what He means to us and not on the human frailities of people in all faiths. As I posted above, their definition of Jesus is radically different than ours, enough so that they cannot be considered Christian in the theological sense, even though they are good and devout people. We need to hellp them understand why and do so in a manner that is respectful. Try and recall how you felt about the LDS Church when you were closest to it. This is how most of them feel. Thanks for hearing me out and may God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, one God forever more, bless you all!
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TexanKnight
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Perhaps you should be telling the Mormons here to be respectful to us.
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TexanKnight
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I spoke at length on the phone with this member and we had a very good conversation. I told him that although he was inartful in his post, I am grateful for his apology. We discussed our pasts and saw many similarities. It was a very, nice conversation.
Often, the typed word comes across very harsh when not intended…
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Marie5890
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That profound level of Christ-mindedness, or Christ-likeness, is no easy task, especially for those ex-mormons who are walking around with deep deep wounds that fester like a cancer.
Only when one is truly and authentically healed from Mormonism, can one let go and deal with Mormons charitably, like Our Blessed Lord and His Mother would have us.
But that takes a GREAT DEAL OF HUMILITY. No easy task, esp. for those of us who are of western, or more specially, American culture. Those of us of American culture aren’t encourage to be deeply humble but rather lean on our “rugged Americanism” or our egos.
Standing mute before Pilate, like Christ did, is no easy task. We Americans tend to need to “win” the “debate”, prove that we are right, yada yada yada.
How many western Christians, Catholic or otherwise, do you know who aren’t subject to their egos or their “need to be right”?
Not many. Humility, the real and authentic humility of Our Lord and His Blessed Mother, Our Lady, is VERY HARD.
We Americans, or we of western culture, find that really hard. You know, swallowing our pride.
We would rather be “right” than be Humble
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kimg901
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I dont know about everyone else, but if im wrong, im wrong and ill admit to it. If im right, then im right. Especially when I have proof to back up my claims. Im a very humble person (because of the gifts given to me) but I will not let people call others names on a forum or off the forums. I told Christ I would protect His Church, and if people think im being rude to them, well thats their problem.
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TexanKnight
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I agree. Marie’s kumbaya Catholicism does not work. IF we are what we say we are…then stand up for it. This is not Pictionary. This is not a game where we can all be right. This is all about eternal life. And when the stakes are that high, we cannot bend.
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kimg901
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I understand what she is saying but we cannot sugarcoat it either. Your right TK, we must be what we say we are. We try and be civil but when its time to turn up the heat, it will get hot.
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SpeSalvi
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^but then how many people are we turning off? I know that, had I not first been met with love from those that I knew in the Catholic Church I would have never been interested later on. We must remember that there are several people in the LDS church that frequent these boards, and each of them is at their own unique place on their spiritual path. Those that meet our LDS guests with love are just as valuable as those that show them the hard truth. I believe all types are necessary because there are different personalities that visit these forums.
Just my 2 cents. There is no obsolete witness to the truth.
Just my 2 cents. There is no obsolete witness to the truth.
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TexanKnight
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Jesus did not back away from the truth just because he was afraid to offend. Read John 6.
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SpeSalvi
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I have a sister who feels it’s her duty to tell the “truth” at all costs. She uses that ideology to defend the blatant insults she flings at others, and when anyone challenges her, she throws her hands up, saying “I’m just being honest”. The thing is, she ends up ruining almost every relationship she has because of this habit. She would have many more friends if she would state her opinions in a tactful, loving way.
Now, TK, like I said, I think that the jarring comments you often make DO serve a purpose for those that are ready to hear. However, as you probably recall Mormons are trained to “shut down” the moment their faith is attacked. There are people that post (and possibly more that lurk) that aren’t ready for your stark truths, although no former Mormon on here has ever said you weren’t speaking the truth.
Even Jesus at times spoke in parables so that those with ears to hear understood but those not yet ready could not. I think this would be a prime example of milk before meat. It’s not that milk or meat aren’t both necessary, it’s just that sometimes people are at different spiritual stages.
We can’t all be on the front lines. Some of us need to be in the tents tending to the wounded. But in the end, we are all Christian Soldiers fighting the good fight. Let’s not forget that we are all needed in this; we are all necessary to push forward.
Peace be with you, TK.
Now, TK, like I said, I think that the jarring comments you often make DO serve a purpose for those that are ready to hear. However, as you probably recall Mormons are trained to “shut down” the moment their faith is attacked. There are people that post (and possibly more that lurk) that aren’t ready for your stark truths, although no former Mormon on here has ever said you weren’t speaking the truth.
Even Jesus at times spoke in parables so that those with ears to hear understood but those not yet ready could not. I think this would be a prime example of milk before meat. It’s not that milk or meat aren’t both necessary, it’s just that sometimes people are at different spiritual stages.
We can’t all be on the front lines. Some of us need to be in the tents tending to the wounded. But in the end, we are all Christian Soldiers fighting the good fight. Let’s not forget that we are all needed in this; we are all necessary to push forward.
Peace be with you, TK.
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TexanKnight
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Are you saying Jesus did not speak plainly and chase followers away in John 6? Or clear out the temple? or kill the fig tree?
Jesus did not say “Go forth and teach all nations, but if they shut down, sing Kumbaya”
Did Peter back down? Did Peter
We need to stand firm. Kumbaya Catholicism causes us to waver and give ground. We cannot do that. We MUST stand for our beliefs. We MUST stand firm against those who teach a different Gospel.
I should trademark the term “Kumbaya Catholicism” …
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Nita
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I’ve never been Mormon, so I didn’t know that. In the past couple weeks I’ve gotten on some Mormon topic threads (for the first time). This may explain why it’s been difficult to get answers to some questions. I think the 2 who were the active Mormon posters have abandoned the thread. Would that be typical if the Mormon position was challenged?
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SpeSalvi
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Nope, I’m just saying that he knew his audience. Those people knew better. He didn’t chase people away, they left of their own accord. He cleared out the temple like he did because the people knew it was a house of God and weren’t treating it as such.
Exactly. He didn’t say “go shove the truth in their face regardless of whether they’re listening or not”. How can you teach effectively if the people you’re supposed to teach have their fingers in their ears?
I agree we must stand firm. We profess the same thing, we just go about it differently. I would never tell an LDS person that their idea of God was correct, but the last thing I would do is say YOU WORSHIP AN IDOL because that would be the end of the dialogue right then and there. I may explain my beliefs and explain the reasoning behind them, but insulting people in the name of Truth? No thanks.
Remember the saying about leading a horse to water? You can’t get it there by yelling the directions at the poor creature, you get it there by leading, guiding, and walk beside-ing
You seem to be saying that we can only witness to people with harsh words. What I am saying is that it also takes a gentle love to help lead those in the snares of Mormonism away from it and to the True Church. I know it was certainly true for me.
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TexanKnight
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Nope, I’m just saying that he knew his audience.
And I know mine
Those people knew better. He didn’t chase people away, they left of their own accord.
Same here
He cleared out the temple like he did because the people knew it was a house of God and weren’t treating it as such.
And Mormons do not treat Jesus’ Church as such
Exactly. He didn’t say “go shove the truth in their face regardless of whether they’re listening or not”. How can you teach effectively if the people you’re supposed to teach have their fingers in their ears?
I am not shoving anything to anyone. Were I to go to a Mormon site and debate them, then you might have a point. They willingly come to a Catholic site.
I agree we must stand firm. We profess the same thing, we just go about it differently. I would never tell an LDS person that their idea of God was correct, but the last thing I would do is say YOU WORSHIP AN IDOL because that would be the end of the dialogue right then and there. I may explain my beliefs and explain the reasoning behind them, but insulting people in the name of Truth? No thanks.
If truth is insulting, so be it. Jesus said it like it was. As did Peter.
Remember the saying about leading a horse to water? You can’t get it there by yelling the directions at the poor creature, you get it there by leading, guiding, and walk beside-ing
Actually, I HAVE led a horse to water by talking loudly and even yelling sometimes. I grew up in the country. We had horses.
You seem to be saying that we can only witness to people with harsh words. What I am saying is that it also takes a gentle love to help lead those in the snares of Mormonism away from it and to the True Church. I know it was certainly true for me.
And you keep saying I use harsh words. What are my horrible words? I simply speak the truth while others join hands and sing Kumbaya
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twopekinguys
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Abandoning a thread is very common from our mormon posters. It occurs usually if the persecution card doesn’t work.
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