Ex-Mormons Why Did You Leave the Church II

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Mormonism is an abuse of the soul, the fruits of this are abuse are plain, for you to see.
Amen! Mormonism is abuse of the soul. I also frequent ex Mormon forums and so many of the stories are sad and bring me to tears. I was not nearly as abused as others. I was pretty lucky. Having left Mormonism myself, I cannot blame anyone else who leaves and becomes atheist. I have some friends who have peace now that they are atheists but others are not sure and experience great despair because they want to believe in God but have a difficult time doing so. Their souls were abused.

Honestly, there are days when I struggle with my belief and faith in God. But for me, the idea that there is not a loving God who is mindful of me just leads me to despair. I do believe and have faith in God. This is quite different from the way Mormons “know” their faith is true. I will never “know” for sure until I die and meet God for myself. I feel much more peace now accepting that I will never “know” for sure and will have to live by faith without throwing reason out the door.
 
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Reason definitely plays a part although what is reasonable will vary greatly.

The Pope and the Prophet are still just men trying to do a job. Take a look at the Biblical apostles and prophets and you’ll see that they often made a mess of things. Even Peter. I’m glad you have high expectations of them but they’re still just men, not angels.
There are some major differences between the Pope, and the mormon first presidency.

First and foremost is the fact of Apostolic Succession that can be traced back to the primacy of Peter, and ultimately Christ himself. Mormon prophets go back to Smith.

The differences continue, but, I think you get the idea.
 
Mormonism is an abuse of the soul, the fruits of this are abuse are plain, for you to see. But you are blind, and call the full and total rejection of the farce, “lack of faith”.
Very profound.
 
LivingWaters7

Reason definitely plays a part although what is reasonable will vary greatly.
I agree.
The Pope and the Prophet are still just men trying to do a job. Take a look at the Biblical apostles and prophets and you’ll see that they often made a mess of things. Even Peter. I’m glad you have high expectations of them but they’re still just men, not angels.
No, I don’t have high expectations, nor do I think that they should be angels (I completely recognize that prophets were and are men (and women, and children), and are subject to human sins and faults, just like we all are). My point was merely that the LDS Church is unique (well, ignoring other breakaway churches) in claiming that it is led by a First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles comprised of 15 men sustained and believed to be Prophets, Seers, and Revelators (with the President as “The Prophet”). Other churches do not believe the same about their leaders (the Catholic Church, while regarding the Pope and the College of Bishops as being inspired by the Holy Spirit in leading the Church, do not believe that the Pope is a Prophet per se, unless of course he demonstrates prophetic abilities like the Biblical prophets). Therefore, looking at this objectively, it would seem logical to me to think that, while the leaders of all churches are men, there should be differences between the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 15 prophets, seers, and revelators, and the leaders of other churches, non-prophets.

For more of my thoughts on that, see here. But perhaps that’s the topic for another thread :).

As an aside, I’m currently reading the Bible, from Genesis through to Revelation. It’s very interesting reading about the prophets in the Bible and how they functioned as prophets.
 
If I take what many of you are saying at face value, I must say that you are a very unusual set of people. I’ve seen many people leave this (Mormon) church and I’ve almost never seen anyone leave because of doctrinal doubts. They usually leave because the church is too strict or demanding, but none of you cited that as a reason. So I’m a little suspicious and have to ask myself if the doctrinal doubts came more as a justification than as a source.

Like I said in an earlier post about faith, people are able to tolerate a fair amount “not fully understanding” a thing because–well we just have to because that’s the situation we’re often in on a lot of things.

I know you guys believe the Catholic doctrine and are always angry when the Mormon doctrine is different. But your efforts at trying to make the Mormon doctrine seem weird are unconvincing, they’re just too self-serving.
 
If I take what many of you are saying at face value, I must say that you are a very unusual set of people. I’ve seen many people leave this (Mormon) church and I’ve almost never seen anyone leave because of doctrinal doubts. They usually leave because the church is too strict or demanding, but none of you cited that as a reason. So I’m a little suspicious and have to ask myself if the doctrinal doubts came more as a justification than as a source.

Like I said in an earlier post about faith, people are able to tolerate a fair amount “not fully understanding” a thing because–well we just have to because that’s the situation we’re often in on a lot of things.

I know you guys believe the Catholic doctrine and are always angry when the Mormon doctrine is different. But your efforts at trying to make the Mormon doctrine seem weird are unconvincing, they’re just too self-serving.
RM -

Suggest starting with post 2 and rereading the thread.

No one is always angry…that is an unfounded assertion.

What Mormon doctrine is being presented as weird?
 
When I delivered my letter to my bishop stating that I was leaving the LDS and my reasons for doing so, he told me that within ten years I would end up like all apostates - dead in a gutter. The bishop’s wife was a notorious gossip and within a few days the entire stake knew I was an apostate. Over the next few months at least a dozen people told me I would end up dead in the gutter (this is common Mormon folklore).

Well I’m here to report that 27 years later I am still gutter-free! I have a wonderful wife, 4 grown children who love me and visit at least once week, and seven beautiful grandchildren (and counting) who love their old “Papa”. I have a very successful executive career. But most important of all, I have a close and loving relationship with the Living Triune God within the framework of His one true Church - the Catholic Church.

Mormons need to stop lying about why so many people are leaving the Mormon cult. It simply cannot stand up to honest scrutiny. Those of us who had our hearts broken when we finally realized that we had been duped must forgive the perpetrators and pray that they find the peace and spiritual freedom we have found. Mormonism is bondage but the Truth will set them free.
Thank you for your Catholic testimony.👍
 
If I take what many of you are saying at face value, I must say that you are a very unusual set of people. I’ve seen many people leave this (Mormon) church and I’ve almost never seen anyone leave because of doctrinal doubts. They usually leave because the church is too strict or demanding, but none of you cited that as a reason. So I’m a little suspicious and have to ask myself if the doctrinal doubts came more as a justification than as a source.

Like I said in an earlier post about faith, people are able to tolerate a fair amount “not fully understanding” a thing because–well we just have to because that’s the situation we’re often in on a lot of things.

I know you guys believe the Catholic doctrine and are always angry when the Mormon doctrine is different. But your efforts at trying to make the Mormon doctrine seem weird are unconvincing, they’re just too self-serving.
I think you lead a very sheltered existence. The rolls of people who have left due to doctrinal reasons are long. Had you read all we have posted, you would see those facts that caused the doubts.

I truly had no other reason to leave. As I have stated, I loved being LDS…I loved the togetherness and camaraderie. I loved the people. I STILL look back on my time as a missionary as two of the best years of my life. The ONLY thing that could have pried me away was the doctrinal stuff.

Please believe it. Donlt let what Mormon leaders say sway you from the truth
 
I stil am doubtful when I hear something like “I left the Catholic/Mormon/Whatever church because I had questions Noooobody could answer!” Because we’re Christians and we know the power of faith. Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge. The Bible itself can be a very confusing book. The leaders in every church are men and less than perfect.

I do agree to some degree that a church’s doctrine and history play a part in the decision one makes as who to follow. The church will reflect the believer.
Just want to take a minute and thank you for staying with us. I appreciate your comments even thought I don’t agree with most of what you say.

God Bless.
 
I know you guys believe the Catholic doctrine and are always angry when the Mormon doctrine is different. But your efforts at trying to make the Mormon doctrine seem weird are unconvincing, they’re just too self-serving.
I do nothing to make the LDS faith look weird. The LDS Church does stuff that makes it look that way.

The blood oaths, the polygamy, the black priesthood…and the list could go on forever.

Be blessed
 
Faith in what, exactly? That Joseph Smith didn’t marry other men’s wives? That he didn’t marry mothers and daughters? That he didn’t illegally start a bank, with a treasure chest of rocks? That the Book of Abraham isn’t a complete farse? That the whole Mormon belief system isn’t made up?

It isn’t hard to answer these questions when you stop and think for a moment that Smith was not divinely guided, but a con artist. This is a devastating conclusion for a true believing Mormon, like yourself. When the Mormon Church itself cannot address its own history, and only can respond with “just believe”, then you aren’t experiencing faith, you are experiencing the con.

As has already been stated, most former LDS go atheist, as the LDS experience creates a mistrust of religions and religious claims. Faith becomes the word that is used to further a con. 36% of people in Salt Lake City responded to a poll that they are not religiously afiliated, the national rate is about 10%.

Mormonism is an abuse of the soul, the fruits of this are abuse are plain, for you to see. But you are blind, and call the full and total rejection of the farce, “lack of faith”.

Keep telling yourself that your faith is stronger than all of those who have seen through the con, and left. It adds to the devastation and anger when you come to realize, you’ve been had, through and through, top to bottom, end to end. Your faith is misplaced.
You always find the right things to say Rebecca.👍
 
If I take what many of you are saying at face value, I must say that you are a very unusual set of people. I’ve seen many people leave this (Mormon) church and I’ve almost never seen anyone leave because of doctrinal doubts. They usually leave because the church is too strict or demanding, but none of you cited that as a reason. So I’m a little suspicious and have to ask myself if the doctrinal doubts came more as a justification than as a source.
Well, if I take your experience at face value, I must say that your experience is very unusual. Just because someone’s experience is different than yours doesn’t make it a lie.

Have you had a serious conversation with these people who have left the Mormon church? Did you ask them why they left? Mormon leadership tries to keep apostates quiet lest others listen them and leave too. Mormons are encouraged to shun vocal apostates.

You would be surprised how many closet apostates attend your ward. Many are held hostage by a believing spouse and put on an act. There are also New Order Mormons who don’t believe the doctrine but stay for cultural reasons or because they believe Mormonism is a net good. Because questioning is discouraged, you never really know who believes and who doesn’t. Many Mormons who question are threatened with excommunication (see what happened to Mormons in Sweden and the “Swedish Rescue”.
 
So grateful my leaving Mormonism wasnt based on my being angry or some other “feeling”…

I simply left because it’s foundational dogmas were not believable…

I found them simply …well…dopey and lacking in reason… 🤷

And reason is a God given gift of intellectual discernment…
 
If I take what many of you are saying at face value, I must say that you are a very unusual set of people. I’ve seen many people leave this (Mormon) church and I’ve almost never seen anyone leave because of doctrinal doubts. They usually leave because the church is too strict or demanding, but none of you cited that as a reason. So I’m a little suspicious and have to ask myself if the doctrinal doubts came more as a justification than as a source.

Like I said in an earlier post about faith, people are able to tolerate a fair amount “not fully understanding” a thing because–well we just have to because that’s the situation we’re often in on a lot of things.

I know you guys believe the Catholic doctrine and are always angry when the Mormon doctrine is different. But your efforts at trying to make the Mormon doctrine seem weird are unconvincing, they’re just too self-serving.
And of course no one who leaves another religion joins the LDS church because they were convinced about the churches teachings they were just looking for a social club.

You know Mormons are the only people I’ve ever met that say people left their church because they want to sin. Why do so many LDS speak so cruelly about former members?
 
If I take what many of you are saying at face value, I must say that you are a very unusual set of people. I’ve seen many people leave this (Mormon) church and I’ve almost never seen anyone leave because of doctrinal doubts. They usually leave because the church is too strict or demanding, but none of you cited that as a reason. So I’m a little suspicious and have to ask myself if the doctrinal doubts came more as a justification than as a source.

Like I said in an earlier post about faith, people are able to tolerate a fair amount “not fully understanding” a thing because–well we just have to because that’s the situation we’re often in on a lot of things.

I know you guys believe the Catholic doctrine and are always angry when the Mormon doctrine is different. But your efforts at trying to make the Mormon doctrine seem weird are unconvincing, they’re just too self-serving.
I’m sorry, but these last few posts really have been odd to me. Everyone has their own story, their own lives, their own reasons for what they do. I don’t judge groups of people based on my limited experiences (for example, my experience as a Latter-day Saint seemed somewhat different from what I heard from my friends that lived in Utah/went to BYU). I don’t speak for anyone else but myself. I’m curious to know if you would express the same doubts for someone that claims that they left the Catholic Church over doctrinal reasons, and became LDS. Further, if you peruse other forums, such as Mormon Dialogue and Discussion, Mormon Discussions, etc, you’ll see that what you seem to believe is implausible is actually quite common (which is probably why most here don’t understand your attempts at implying ulterior motives/hiding at best, lying at worst.

Again, speaking for myself, my reasons had nothing at all to do with sinning (or wanting to do something forbidden by LDS teachings, which is ironic since I doubt someone would go from LDS to Catholic because they wanted to sin), nor with the LDS Church being too strict or “demanding” (whatever that means). I already mentioned that I was firmly believing and practicing the entire time I was LDS, and served diligently in all of my callings, as well as outside of them (the highlight was helping to make sure everyone in the ward was okay after Hurricane Sandy, then volunteering with Mormon Helping Hands projects in the aftermath), and was worthy of a temple recommend. But the Great Apostasy was always a question in the back of my mind (as well as my issues with the priesthood restriction, as an African American, and the possibility that the Father was not always God, but progressed to Godhood. I just could never entertain that possibility)

If you really are curious, you can go through my post history yourself and note the progression from firmly believing and defending LDS, to questioning, to considering Catholicism, to reverting to Catholicism (my posting history at Mormon Dialogue and Discussion also demonstrates the things that I was struggling with and was seeking help with).

I certainly am not “angry” that Mormon doctrine isn’t Catholic. Nor am I trying to make Mormon doctrine seem “weird” (Catholic beliefs and practices can also seem “weird”). The question is whether said doctrines are tenable, and whether they are “true”. Both the Catholic and the LDS Churches can’t be right. One is wrong, or both are wrong. Therefore, I am interested in analyzing both, within their own contexts, and at the moment, I am coming from the perspective that the Catholic Church has the fulness of Truth.
 
If I take what many of you are saying at face value, I must say that you are a very unusual set of people. **I’ve seen many people leave this (Mormon) church and I’ve almost never seen anyone leave because of doctrinal doubts. They usually leave because the church is too strict or demanding, **but none of you cited that as a reason. So I’m a little suspicious and have to ask myself if the doctrinal doubts came more as a justification than as a source.

Like I said in an earlier post about faith, people are able to tolerate a fair amount “not fully understanding” a thing because–well we just have to because that’s the situation we’re often in on a lot of things.

I know you guys believe the Catholic doctrine and are always angry when the Mormon doctrine is different. But your efforts at trying to make the Mormon doctrine seem weird are unconvincing, they’re just too self-serving.
And did all these people you say left because the church was too hard join another religion or did they leave “organized” religion altogether? Quite frankly I feel that people like you who insist that people could not have left over doctrinal reasons only want to reinforce their beliefs by denying the possibility that someone could come to another conclusion. You seem to need to put people who leave in the sinner category in order to bolster your own belief.

In short in order to uphold your belief you must believe that no one could ever question LDS beliefs and the only way someone could leave the LDS fold is if they wanted to commit a sin. A very common and very ugly attitude, but not a surprising “meme” from LDS members, you are not the first LDS poster here (or elsewhere) to be so contemptuous of those who leave the LDS church. It’s very sad and as I said before LDS are, in my experience the only ones who smear former members in this fashion, and in my opinion it speaks very poorly of the LDS church in general that members vilify former members this way.

On a personal note, I would like to thank you for being an example I can discuss with my kids. I am always grateful when actual LDS (and other) member puts the everyday preaching out there. Your words do a world of good when it comes to showing the attitude your church has toward others. I could never achieve the level of authenticity of what can only be labeled as contempt that you have achieved with your post in this thread. So thanks again for showing my kids just what the “cute” missionaries think about Catholic “theology”, it’s done wonders for my own children’s “attitude” toward those who would try to convert them.🤷
 
And did all these people you say left because the church was too hard join another religion or did they leave “organized” religion altogether? Quite frankly I feel that people like you who insist that people could not have left over doctrinal reasons only want to reinforce their beliefs by denying the possibility that someone could come to another conclusion. You seem to need to put people who leave in the sinner category in order to bolster your own belief.

In short in order to uphold your belief you must believe that no one could ever question LDS beliefs and the only way someone could leave the LDS fold is if they wanted to commit a sin. A very common and very ugly attitude, but not a surprising “meme” from LDS members, you are not the first LDS poster here (or elsewhere) to be so contemptuous of those who leave the LDS church. It’s very sad and as I said before LDS are, in my experience the only ones who smear former members in this fashion, and in my opinion it speaks very poorly of the LDS church in general that members vilify former members this way.

On a personal note, I would like to thank you for being an example I can discuss with my kids. I am always grateful when actual LDS (and other) member puts the everyday preaching out there. Your words do a world of good when it comes to showing the attitude your church has toward others. I could never achieve the level of authenticity of what can only be labeled as contempt that you have achieved with your post in this thread. So thanks again for showing my kids just what the “cute” missionaries think about Catholic “theology”, it’s done wonders for my own children’s “attitude” toward those who would try to convert them.🤷
When I was LDS, just before I left, I had a very heavy home teaching schedule - 11 families and individuals. All but two were inactive. All of the inactives (who were still members of the LDS church but no longer attended) had some life-style issue (alcohol, drug abuse, divorce and condubinage or some other issue) that separated them from the LDS org. So I see where rmcmullen is coming from. He only sees those who have “left the church” but never really left the church (never sent in their resignation letter and officially stopped being LDS).

The people who have “studied their way out” of the Mormon org usually make a formal break from the org by sending a letter or, in modern times, an email to the LDS org requesting that their name be stricken from the records of the LDS org. (Notice I use the term “org” because I do not recognize the LDS as a “Church” - they are a man-made cult).

Those who, for no theological reason, but for lifestyle choices, have distanced themselves from the LDS org are the same kind of people who have distanced themselves from the Catholic faith or whatever faith they were raised in.

Those of us who were faithful Mormons until the day we realized we had been duped are different. I wore my temple garments and paid my tithing during the 7 weeks between when I turned in my letter of resignation to my bishop (there was no email back then) until I received the letter from the 1st Presidency stating that my name was removed from the records of the LDS “church”. Even then I disposed of my temple garments in the prescribed manner. This is because I am a man who keeps his promises. Someone who has never gone through the agony of having his most precious spiritual beliefs - in fact his entire world view - destroyed cannot understand what we who were faithful Mormons experienced when we realized that it was all a fraud.
 
Ironically, FAIR’s recent Conference had various talks about topics related to doubt and leaving, including a panel discussion with people that left the LDS Church then returned. Some of them talked about the historical and intellectual reasons why they left the LDS Church, which I find quite interesting in light of the recent discussion in this thread, attempting to paint us as anomalies or people not telling the full story.

maxwellinstituteblog.org/liveblogging-the-fair-conference-part-2/
 
Ironically, FAIR’s recent Conference had various talks about topics related to doubt and leaving, including a panel discussion with people that left the LDS Church then returned. Some of them talked about the historical and intellectual reasons why they left the LDS Church, which I find quite interesting in light of the recent discussion in this thread, attempting to paint us as anomalies or people not telling the full story.

maxwellinstituteblog.org/liveblogging-the-fair-conference-part-2/
To return or stay LDS after having used critical thinking skills takes mental Olympic hoop jumping exercises… 🤷
 
To return or stay LDS after having used critical thinking skills takes mental Olympic hoop jumping exercises… 🤷
Returning to Mormonism after leaving is one of the great mysteries of the day. I don’t think any level of mental hoop jumping can account for it. It’s more like, a permanent burial of ones head, into the sand, covered with a layer of generously sized boulders, topped with a layer of concrete.
 
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