Excommunicated Archbishop Ordains Two Married Men as Priests in New Jersey

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Looks like Bishop Milingo is at it again
Excommunicated Archbishop Ordains Two Married Men as Priests in New Jersey
Monday, December 11, 2006
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WEST NEW YORK, New Jersey — An excommunicated Roman Catholic archbishop continued his defiance of the Vatican when he ordained two married men as priests.
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In front of a congregation that included nearly two dozen members of the media at the Trinity Reformed Church, Raymond A. Grosswirth of Rochester, New York and Dominic Riccio, of Newark, were installed by Zambian Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo.
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Is there any stronge action that gan be taken against him? :mad:
 
Well he is excommunicated. I think that is the strongest medicine that anyone could receive especially if you ever loved the Church.

Now all he does in the name of and for the sake of the Church is worthless!

Perfect remedy in my opinion.
 
Fergal said:
Well he is excommunicated. I think that is the strongest medicine that anyone could receive especially if you ever loved the Church.

Now all he does in the name of and for the sake of the Church is worthless!

Perfect remedy in my opinion.
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The problem is that he is still a validly ordained Bishop. There was talk about the validness and licitness of the men he “ordained” the last time this happen a couple of months ago.

There must be a way to remove him from that.
 
All the nonsense that the Church has to put up with. What’s scary about all this, is that Mr. Grosswirth is the leader of his RCIA program! Kind of makes me wonder if this guy will remain one? :bigyikes:
 
bones_IV said:
All the nonsense that the Church has to put up with. What’s scary about all this, is that Mr. Grosswirth is the leader of his RCIA program! Kind of makes me wonder if this guy will remain one? :bigyikes:
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If he is still in Rochester, maybe. However, since this happened in the Archdiocese of Newark, I expect the Archbishop there to take immediate action (at least if what I have heard about him is true).
 
Having seen the problems that wives and children can cause preachers in other religions, Why would we want the same problems in Holy Mother Church?

Before someone says something I will agree that most married preachers and their families are very good people and have good marriages. But when things go bad it seems they go very very bad and make the news. Also the wives and children have needs that must be a priority to others issues.

It might someday be an option to allow older married men without children in the home any longer to become priests. But it is not our place to try to force the church into change.
 
KathleenElsie said:
It might someday be an option to allow older married men without children in the home any longer to become priests. But it is not our place to try to force the church into change.
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There have been cases or Widowers becoming priests. If fact, I know of one here in the Archdiocese of Detroit and one in my hometown diocese of Greensburg (in fact, his daughter use to live down the street from my parents)
 
:twocents: It comes down to obedience. The reason I can not take him (Bishop Milingo) seriously is because he is very disobedient.
 
If these people are so upset that priests can’t be married in the RCC, then why don’t they just join the Byzantine Orthodox church or something? (No offense against the Byzantines)

If they are bishops they must have been poorly educated because obviously they do not understand the concept of papal infallibility.
 
The problem is that he is still a validly ordained Bishop. There was talk about the validness and licitness of the men he “ordained” the last time this happen a couple of months ago.
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There must be a way to remove him from that.
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Besides locking him up, there’s nothing that can be done to stop him. There are countless schismatical bishops out there continuing to ordain–all the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox bishops, the Polish National bishops, the Chinese National bishops, Old Catholic bishops, SSPX bishops, and various other groups–he’s just one more.
 
The problem with this guy is that he is or was also a follower of the Universal church aka the moonies. He married a korean acupuncturist in 2001 at the command of that church. This dude is off his rocker.

I think formerly married men may become come priests. Either by being widowed or divorced and so does the church. I think that their life experiences can add so much to their ministry as well as their counseling. Not to take away from 18 year olds entering into the seminary. I think both have their benefits. As long as they are in accordance with the church. All one needs to do if they question the validity of a formerly married priest is to look at St. Augustine life before he converted.

Peace
 
WanderAimlessly said:
If he is still in Rochester, maybe. However, since this happened in the Archdiocese of Newark, I expect the Archbishop there to take immediate action (at least if what I have heard about him is true).
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Grosswirth from what I gather has been self taught, and is a member of a married-priest lobbying organization called CORPUS for a number of years. When are people ever going to realize that the Catholic Church is not a democracy. Don’t they understand that the holy father has already spoken on the issue. Why is it that every non-Catholic feels that he has the right to interfere in Catholic affairs? Do we interfere in the affairs of heretic ecclesiastical communities, such as the Anglicans, the Lutherans, and so forth? No. So all non-Catholics should simply shut up, instead of trying to have a say in shaping the future of Catholicism.
 
KathleenElsie said:
Having seen the problems that wives and children can cause preachers in other religions, Why would we want the same problems in Holy Mother Church?

Before someone says something I will agree that most married preachers and their families are very good people and have good marriages. But when things go bad it seems they go very very bad and make the news. Also the wives and children have needs that must be a priority to others issues.

It might someday be an option to allow older married men without children in the home any longer to become priests. But it is not our place to try to force the church into change.
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Remember that many of the Eastern CATHOLIC churches allow married priests, although like the Orthodox, their priests can’t get married. (The difference, of course, being that you can become a priest if you’re already married, but once you are a priest you can’t do so.)
 
Such dissident actions really anger me. :mad: The man has been excommunicated, why can’t he just leave the Church alone or come back to repentance?
 
"WanderAimlessly:
If he is still in Rochester, maybe. However, since this happened in the Archdiocese of Newark, I expect the Archbishop there to take immediate action (at least if what I have heard about him is true).
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bones_IV said:
Do we interfere in the affairs of heretic ecclesiastical communities, such as the Anglicans, the Lutherans, and so forth? No.
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Well stated. The Archbishop will not take any real action, nor should he. He will tend to his flock, not the flock of schismatics.
 
Well, it seems there may be a more sinister motive behind Milingo’s actions as my local paper (Jersey Journal) reported that Rev. Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church (Moonies) according to Milingo is helping to fund Milingo’s organization. :mad: :mad: :mad:

You can view the complete article here:

nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1165820459117060.xml&coll=3

Milingo just ordained as Priests 2 Deacons in a church close to my home called Our Lady of Guadalupe… but, the church is not recognized by the Archdiocese.

I think Milingo continues to be thoroughly brainwashed by Moon who if what Milingo says is true that Moon is helping to fund his organization may have seen Milingo as an easy target to use in order to bring scandal and create more divisions within the Catholic church. Milingo would not have been seen as an easy target if there weren’t others watching from the sidelines and observing him… Which to me is scary and makes me wonder just what other high-profile Catholic religious clergy Moon is going to target next.

God help all of us.
 
WanderAimlessly said:
The problem is that he is still a validly ordained Bishop. There was talk about the validness and licitness of the men he “ordained” the last time this happen a couple of months ago.

There must be a way to remove him from that.
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So are the people he supposedly ordained actually priests then?
 
Kevin42 said:
So are the people he supposedly ordained actually priests then?
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Traditionally, Catholic teaching has been that this is the case, if there is the proper form, matter, and intent. Unless we have reason to doubt the presence of these, the sacraments are usually presumed valid.
 
Can they really be seen as part of the Church now, IE; (Catholics) aren’t they just protesters ?
 
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