wouldn’t that be a prime example of what we’ve been saying?
Keep in mind that when JFK, Jr. came down to the public to announce her death, he mentioned that the family priest was there. I think that Last Rites and the Viaticum are something that all Catholics hold in the hearts they are able to recieve on their death bed. Jackie O. may be a bad example and even using giving a funeral as an example of abuse or worse is inappropriate. Withholding a funeral is to be done only when it is **known ** that the person essentially rejected their faith up to very moment of death. Otherwise, the Church holds out the hope that a person repented with their last breath.
Jackie O may be a poor example, but you yourself point out that when the Church withholds Christian burial it does so based not on a certainty, but on a very high probability. It can not be know for sure whether a person repented in the last second of his life, but it is considered highly unlikely. The same mode of thinking applies to withholding communion. By the time pastoral action is reduced to barring someone from the Eucharist it has become quite presumable, though never 100% certain, that the individual in question has not resolved his persistent state of public grave sin.
Well, no issue with whether or not she was entitle to a funeral…the lavishness of it, would be questionable…as that speaks to the money issue more than anything else. It’s the type of funeral she was allowed to have given the public/private life she led.
Since none will know the hour, I think that the end will really be near when these people quit saying it is. LOL.
I don’t want to believe that money talks, but cleary my parish priest would not be scattering ashes over any body of water for me. It would not be allowed. It is sad that such a high profile family is Catholic and breaks all the rules. What is scandelous is that they have many clergy that seem to endorse it. Is it money. I hope not. I hope they do it out of mercy. It makes it hard to defend this behavior to noncatholics. Does anyone else get embarrassed by it?
disappointed, embarrassed, sad.
I was in High School Biology class in the mid sixties, and in Nursing School in the early seventies. We knew then when life began, as did the Justices when they came to the conclusions in Roe and Doe, etc. At no time in the Anatomy and Physiology classes OR in the Biology class was there a question of when life began. Nor was there discussion of ‘implantation’ being the start of life.
I was in High School Biology class in the mid sixties, and in Nursing School in the early seventies. We knew then when life began, as did the Justices when they came to the conclusions in Roe and Doe, etc. At no time in the Anatomy and Physiology classes OR in the Biology class was there a question of when life began. Nor was there discussion of ‘implantation’ being the start of life.
No it would not, and it wasn’t allowed for the bodies of John Jr and his late wife either. Their bodies were cremated due to the consequences of the condition of things after being in the water and placed in urns and buried at sea. This was covered by media extensively at the time.
Neither of them were practicing Catholics, and many of the soldiers (who I am assuming you are referring to as “nazis”) were good practicing Catholics.
As has been pointed out in another post in this thread your information about the ashes is simply not correct; and when Mrs. Kennedy (widow) married Aristotle Onassis it should be noted that the Catholic Italian newpaper L’Osservatore Della Domenica stated: