Assuming all possible medical precautions were taken, which they were being it would be tragic (well regardless). You have a twisted sense of “pro-life” if you think it includes “abortion whenever I think it should happen”. You keep ignoring the facts at hand, to the ends of supporting an abortion.
So knock off an innocent, helpless child instead, one who also had nothing to do with the alleged rape.
I thought you said you think for yourself. So why are you taking the word of the medics?
Your comments include a supposition which I have never stated.
But you did, you personally feel that there should be an “exception here”… Whether or not you are otherwise profile, you beleive you’ve found a case where you think an abortion is perfectly ok. You are (trying to) using your own private judgement to over rule the Magisterium of the Church which believe it or not, has actually thought through this (and all other moral issues) at a depth which the rest of us don’t even have the time to consider. So I feel confident enough in what I said whether you generally consider your self pro-life, pro-choice or ambivilent (which ultimatly is a pro-choice position).
How much say did the father have in this matter? I don’t know about Brazil, but in the U.S. the child is the de facto property of the mother, and the father has nothing to say about her property rights.
Equally unconscionable would be to force a child to endure an abortion that she’s in no way responsible for, wouldn’t you say?
None, and in this case that is quite appropriate as the father in this particular case is obviously a child rapist. Under normal conditions I agree with you completely, but in this specific case the Father forfits his rights, don’t you agree?
Wow, it must take some courage to post what you just did. Thank you for providing a fair and accurate appraisal of what is going on here from the perspective of the mother. Incidently, I don’t know where you are personally in your life (emotionally) with those abortions. But if you need assistance finding resources to find healing, please feel free to PM me. And (you don’t list your faith), if you’re a Catholic certainly seek a priest if you haven’t.
And I believe you are being extremely naive to think that there would have been no health complications during the pregnancy. If that was my daughter, and she died as a result of attemtping to deliver a child at that young of an age - if someone then tells me that ‘you did the right thing’ - that would ring extremely hollow.
Not exactly. I don’t think a parent has “rights” over his child; a parent has authority over his child because he has responsibilities for the child’s well-being. You cannot hold someone responsible while putting up roadblocks that deny him his authority, like granting the mother de facto ownership of the child, as we have done in the U.S. This in no way should be construed to mean that I think a father guilty of rape should get off scott-free.
Yeah, the danger should become imminent before TWO INNOCENT BABIES ARE KILLED.
Christopher, you *do *recognize that there is a difference between “health complications” and “death,” right?
My children are grown, but let me tell you as a mother and a Catholic, I would have had the doctors do everything possible to save the lives of my child AND my grandchildren. Not one over the other.
I didn’t say any such thing, I said quite the oppisite and it was reiterated by wanner47 in post #113. All pregnacies carry risk, this fact alone isn’t enough to justify direct abortion in any case.
And you seem to be intentionally mitigating the health risks and potential death involved in this particular case.
It was *not *the father who raped the child–it was her stepfather.
There is a difference between a natural death and a murder, isn’t there? Pro-life is against the direct and intended taking of innocent human life. Since we all die, pro-life cannot mean being against all death.
St. Frances, the father of the aborted child raped the the 7 year old girl. That is whom I am refering to when I say “the father”. You’ll notice that I have also frequently referred to the 7 year old girl as “the mother” and the 7 year old girls mother as “grandmother”
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