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It’s being reported that all those who were a part of the abortion performed on the 9 year old girl who became pregnant through the act of rape will be excommunicated.

Help me understand this. What were the Doctors and other medical staff supposed to do in this case? I understand that abortion is an intrinsic evil but isn’t this an extraordinary case?
 
It is an extraordinary case. In fact, every conception of every new life is an extraordinary case in the eyes of God–and should be in our eyes, too.

It is God who sets us apart to Him even before our births and calls us through His grace (cf. Galatians 1:15). It is He who, before we are born, has consecrated us (cf. Jeremiah 1:5). Does that change in the case of rape? Does the mother’s age affect how God sees His creation? I would hope not! If God is so filled with wonder and awe at our existence, then, shouldn’t we, too, strive to see the sanctity of our consecrated lives in the very same light?

Abortion is never ever acceptable in any case. Ever. It’s really that simple. The strength of the Church is evident in her perseverance in her own teaching even in these less-than-optimal situations.

All those who were involved–especially the young woman and the soul of her baby–need our prayers desperately.

God bless.
 
They’d just have to excommunicate me because there is NO WAY I would force my nine year-old to carry the child(ren) of her rapist. :mad:
 
Passus,

I guess I was under the assumption that carrying a baby to term would be very dangerous for a 9 year old. I could be wrong. But if I am right then what do you do? I was looking more for answers from the moral theology + bioethics realm than bible quotes. I have a good basic understanding of the teachings on abortion and I agree with them. However, in this unique case, I don’t see a clear cut answer ( if the life of the 9 year old would be in danger). I do agree that the unborn child in the womb has equal value as the 9 year old. If however, the life of the 9 year old is in jeapordy by carrying the baby to term… ?
 
detroitelektro said:
Passus,

I guess I was under the assumption that carrying a baby to term would be very dangerous for a 9 year old. I could be wrong. But if I am right then what do you do? I was looking more for answers from the moral theology + bioethics realm than bible quotes. I have a good basic understanding of the teachings on abortion and I agree with them. However, in this unique case, I don’t see a clear cut answer ( if the life of the 9 year old would be in danger). I do agree that the unborn child in the womb has equal value as the 9 year old. If however, the life of the 9 year old is in jeapordy by carrying the baby to term…
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Once the size of the infants become detrimental they could have been delivered early by c-section. At least there would have been some chance of those babies to survive. Instead they were brutally ripped to pieces while their hearts were still beating.
 
detroitelektro said:
Passus,

I guess I was under the assumption that carrying a baby to term would be very dangerous for a 9 year old. I could be wrong. But if I am right then what do you do? I was looking more for answers from the moral theology + bioethics realm than bible quotes. I have a good basic understanding of the teachings on abortion and I agree with them. However, in this unique case, I don’t see a clear cut answer ( if the life of the 9 year old would be in danger). I do agree that the unborn child in the womb has equal value as the 9 year old. If however, the life of the 9 year old is in jeapordy by carrying the baby to term… ?
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Surely it is dangerous, but to weigh value in the life of the child versus the value in the life of the mother would be to preoccupy ourselves with a false dilemma. The prime goal is life and health for both the child and the mother and it should be to that end that doctors concern themselves rather than “to save the mother” or “to save the baby.”

It stands that any action by which a pregnancy is directly terminated is considered an abortion and therefore is gravely immoral.
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Instead they were brutally ripped to pieces while their hearts were still beating.
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That’s enough of that.
 
SmartyPants said:
They’d just have to excommunicate me because there is NO WAY I would force my nine year-old to carry the child(ren) of her rapist. :mad:
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I understand the passion but those unborn children have as much value as you or I.
 
passus said:
Surely it is dangerous, but to weigh value in the life of the child versus the value in the life of the mother would be to preoccupy ourselves with a false dilemma. The prime goal is life and health for both the child and the mother and it should be to that end that doctors concern themselves rather than “to save the mother” or “to save the baby.”

It stands that any action by which a pregnancy is directly terminated is considered an abortion and therefore is gravely immoral.

That’s enough of that.
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I think I let the age of the girl cloud my thought process. It should be treated the same as a case of an adult victim. The girl (mother) and her unborn children should be given the best medical care so as to preserve the life of all. They should also receive ongoing spiritual and psychological care.
 
Participating in aborticide is automatic grounds for excommunication.
With every excommunication, there is a way back into the Church. Rachel’s Vineyard provides a healing process for those who have been deceived and hurt by abortions.
As my father often said, “Two wrongs do not make a right.” Committing the sin of abortion (5th Commandment) does not countermand the first sin committed. Rape is a violation of both the 5th and 6th Commandments. An innocent life has been taken in response to the first sin. There are other options.
Violent crime of any nature has long lasting effects. If a person is paralyzed because he or she has been shot, the victim of the crime lives with the effects for the rest of his or her life. In the rare event that a woman becomes pregnant from rape, the pregnancy will last nine months. The child could have been adopted by a loving couple who knew nothing of how he/she came into the world and the world would not have lost the gifts and talents the child had to offer.
Only the Love of God and forgiveness can heal the emotional and and spiritual harm done.
 
SmartyPants said:
No… they don’t and as a parent they certainly would not have the same value as my nine year-old child!
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Let me ask you this. Assuming you are female…if not then apply this to your wife (present or future). Back when your 9 year old was in your womb, did she have the same value and dignity as you?
 
detroitelektro said:
It’s being reported that all those who were a part of the abortion performed on the 9 year old girl who became pregnant through the act of rape will be excommunicated.

Help me understand this. What were the Doctors and other medical staff supposed to do in this case? I understand that abortion is an intrinsic evil but isn’t this an extraordinary case?
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How is murdering the unborn baby justified? Okay, something horrible happened to a 9 year old girl. Is it the fault of the unborn child? So why should the unborn child have to pay the ultimate price for the crime committed against her/his mother?

An extraordinary case that says it is okay to murder an innocent, unborn child?
If your mother were viciously attacked by someone who resembled you…would it be justifiable to murder you today because of that resemblance? NO!!!
And this unborn child is just as much a person as you are today.

Two wrongs do not make a right.
 
SmartyPants said:
No… they don’t and as a parent they certainly would not have the same value as my nine year-old child!
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And that is anti Christian, and anti Catholic.
Your values and priorities are mixed up. You sound as though you are of the world.

That 9 year old deserves the best that medical attention can provide. There is no real reason to believe that in medical science today, her life would be in jeapordy. And if the pregnancy began to put her physical life in danger, they could remove the baby by Cesarean section. And then medical science could do all that is possible to save the baby.

There is no reason to believe that the unborn baby must be murdered. In actuality, that would be as or more traumatic for the 9 year old mother than the pregnancy.
 
detroitelektro said:
Passus,

I guess I was under the assumption that carrying a baby to term would be very dangerous for a 9 year old. I could be wrong. But if I am right then what do you do? I was looking more for answers from the moral theology + bioethics realm than bible quotes. I have a good basic understanding of the teachings on abortion and I agree with them. However, in this unique case, I don’t see a clear cut answer ( if the life of the 9 year old would be in danger). I do agree that the unborn child in the womb has equal value as the 9 year old. If however, the life of the 9 year old is in jeapordy by carrying the baby to term… ?
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We all want to decide what to do in this horrible case.

To kill or not to kill an innocent child in the womb.

Whatever happens to trust in the Lord?

Have we lost sight of Him that we never think of what the Lord would want us to do ?

‘Thou shall not kill’

Does that mean anything to you?

We can’t do evil to justify the good. When such situation as this has occurred, we must leave the problem to God and hope for the best.

Unfortunately, most of us want to take matter into our own hand and commit the worse sin possible and still coming away thinking we’re better than the rapist!
 
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