Exorcist expertise sought after Saskatoon 'possession'

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Exorcist expertise sought after Saskatoon ‘possession’
13/04/2012 8:30:35 AM
CBC News
A case of what is being called possible demonic possession in Saskatoon has prompted local church officials to consider the need for an exorcist.
from:

news.sympatico.cbc.ca/local/sk/exorcist_expertise_sought_after_saskatoon_possession_/2baf43c6

or

thestar.com/news/canada/article/1161225–saskatoon-church-leaders-looking-for-trained-exorcist-after-man-possessed-by-the-devil
 
More info is obviously needed, the mans history, health status, events in his life leading up to this, and it would be interesting to hear the follow up medical report. Is drugs or alcohol involved.To read a story like this just leaves a lot of questions, and in my opinion should not be printed till more facts are gathered.
 
What I thought was most troubling was from the CBC article:
Church leaders in Saskatoon have been considering whether Saskatoon needs a trained exorcist.
The last person in the city with formal training, Rev. Joseph Bisztyo, retired in 2003.
Nor does the Regina archdiocese have an exorcist, so Bolen said they are looking to other locations.
“We’re kind of looking at what the diocese of Calgary does — they have a special commission for spiritual discernment,” Bolen said.
Saskatoon doesn’t have an exorcist, and neither does Regina (Regina is the capital of Saskatchewan, and the Archdiocese of Regina is the Metropolitan Archdiocese for most of the province - Saskatoon and Prince Albert are Suffragan diocese of Regina).

My understanding is that the Diocese of Calgary does in fact have a trained exorcist.
 
Luvtosew, Yes the article is lacking information.

Does this man have a medical condition? Be it physical, mental or psychological?

Is he just doing this for attention?

Did he watch one too many “Exorcist” movies?

or Is he really diabolically possessed?

Whatever the case is I will keep this man in my Prayers.

curlycool89 What you pointed out concerns me too.

I always thought that each Diocese had an assigned Priest to perform Exorcisms? :confused:

From what I understand Exorcism means to drive a demon(s) out.

Usually, these Priests have a degree in Human Sciences to counteract and to be sure if what a person suffers isn’t neuroligically or psychologically related.

While browsing around CAF on Exorcism and appointed Exorcist Priests I have come to discover that some Bishops and Priests do not take the matter seriously – anymore. ← I’m not trying to start an argument here just trying to understand and I am no expert when it comes to Exorcism so what I stated above could be incorrect.

However, it would be much appreciated if we could hear a Priests or a Religious’ point of view or help in this manner? Father La Fleur? Bro. Jreducation? Sister Helena? Anyone?
 
Its up to each bishop to decide for his diocese what is needed.

I do not really know much about exorcisms or exorcists. I just know that when a bishop has one he works with a team of medical and psychological experts.
 
Luvtosew, Yes the article is lacking information.

Does this man have a medical condition? Be it physical, mental or psychological?

Is he just doing this for attention?

Did he watch one too many “Exorcist” movies?

or Is he really diabolically possessed?

Whatever the case is I will keep this man in my Prayers.

curlycool89 What you pointed out concerns me too.

I always thought that each Diocese had an assigned Priest to perform Exorcisms? :confused:

From what I understand Exorcism means to drive a demon(s) out.

Usually, these Priests have a degree in Human Sciences to counteract and to be sure if what a person suffers isn’t neuroligically or psychologically related.

While browsing around CAF on Exorcism and appointed Exorcist Priests I have come to discover that some Bishops and Priests do not take the matter seriously – anymore. ← I’m not trying to start an argument here just trying to understand and I am no expert when it comes to Exorcism so what I stated above could be incorrect.

However, it would be much appreciated if we could hear a Priests or a Religious’ point of view or help in this manner? Father La Fleur? Bro. Jreducation? Sister Helena? Anyone?
The Church takes this ministry very seriously. That’s the reason that it is no longer automatically conferred on anyone on the track to the priesthood. The Order of Exorcist came before Deacon. The man was still a layman, but a legitimate exorcist. There was no way of telling what kind of priest he would make. It was too early.

This ministry is only conferred on priests of proven holiness, emotional stability, prudence, and knowledge of both spiritual theology and human behavior. If they are religious, they must have the permission of their community. The community can overrule the bishop on this one. Bishops cannot demand that someone go head to toe with the enemy, because it’s very dangerous. It is very hard for every diocese in the world to have a man that meets all of these criteria. What is done is that there are exorcists who are itinerant.

However, while the Church takes this very seriously, Christian Psychology has also proven that the human person is very complex. Not everything that looks like a cigar is a cigar. Amateur theologians tend to jump and claim diabolical influence on every deviant or sinful behavior. As Fr. Benedict G (one of the most respected Christian Psychologists in the Church) says, don’t jump to conclusions until you understand the complexity of the human side of an issue.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
ByzCath and JReducation, Thank you and God bless you for joining in on the conversation.

I have kept this man and his family in my Prayers.
 
Luvtosew, Yes the article is lacking information.

Does this man have a medical condition? Be it physical, mental or psychological?

I
From what I understand Exorcism means to drive a demon(s) out.

Usually, these Priests have a degree in Human Sciences to counteract and to be sure if what a person suffers isn’t neuroligically or psychologically related.

While browsing around CAF on Exorcism and appointed Exorcist Priests I have come to discover that some Bishops and Priests do not take the matter seriously – anymore. ← I’m not trying to start an argument here just trying to understand and I am no expert when it comes to Exorcism so what I stated above could be incorrect.

However, it would be much appreciated if we could hear a Priests or a Religious’ point of view or help in this manner? Father La Fleur? Bro. Jreducation? Sister Helena? Anyone?
Just to add what bro. JR said…

Before an actual exorcism, a lot of investigation has to occur, that without the shadow of a doubt, there is a possession, and there are different forms or degrees of possession.

A bishop’s permission is needed for an exorcism.

And it cannot be just anyone priest…and there is a lot of preparation needed.
 
Its up to each bishop to decide for his diocese what is needed.

I do not really know much about exorcisms or exorcists. I just know that when a bishop has one he works with a team of medical and psychological experts.
I too do not know much about the protocol followed by the Catholic Church on the Rite of Exorcism. I would agree with Bro. David in his comments.
 
Hello,

I will simply add and not repeat what has been said.

Integrity of life, piety, knowledge and prudence are criteria according to Canon Law for the duly appointed Exorcist.

Pastoral charity, knowledge of ascetic and mystical theology, human psychology, counselling, spiritual discernment and spiritual direction and zeal for souls are implied as well as indispensable criteria.

The bottom line is charity and mercy for suffering souls no matter what the cause of the affliction is-all forms of suffering and disease must be addressed by the physician who can always refer the patient to a specialized soul medic and psyche medic- the exorcist and other competent, non-biased secular professionals who need not have any religious affiliation at all, yet, not be tainted by anti-religious views in their assessments. The commissions for alleged miracles are similar to what is known as a Discernment Commission. Human science and Divine science working hand in hand. Jesus is True Man and True God, the approach is truly human and truly sacred, respecting the dignity of an afflicted child of God.

Many Dioceses in the US and Canada are now in the process or setting up Discernment Commissions to handle requests for Exorcisms and Deliverance. The Conference of American Bishops has done this at the instigation of Archbishop Dolan I believe last October in New York. In Canada, the Western Canadian Bishops have done this discreetly last February as well. These Commissions are usually categorized as a branch of Healing Ministry and Pastoral Care and/or Spiritual Direction and Discernment.

In this specific case of the man in Saskatoon, there is obviously a person who is afflicted and suffering with an inclination to self-harm. The man responds Catholic Prayer and Blessings by a Catholic ordained minister by changing his behavior and speech. It is not known if the man was aware that the one in his vicinity was indeed Catholic, Christian, a Priest or not, he simply responded in kind to words and gestures. This same man becomes apparently manageable, docile enough to handle and his threatening, defensive, hostile behavior and words are to the least subdued by words and gestures of the Priest present…This indicates to the least the importance of the role of a Priest or Minister in the psychological assessment of this poor man who is suffering.

We can not dismiss spiritual harassment or possession, nor limit his case to a psychological fixation or obsession, any more than not consider any combination of the two. He is suffering and responds positively to the presence of a Catholic Priest, a Priest who has already apparently aided the Police in escorting this man to an institution where he can be properly assessed and hopefully helped. The rest is to be determined for the spiritual good, health, welfare, healing, happiness and holiness of this man. He, like us, is called to be a Saint and Martyr, a Witness of Divine Truth, Love and Mercy, a tribute to the Power of the Cross.

We need to pray for courageous, willing to become competent in this field, merciful good shepherds who are not afraid of seeking the lost sheep, for fear of the prowling wolf…The Good Samaritan did not ask what will happen to me if I stop to help and respond? but rather what will happen to this man if i do not? If I help this man, perhaps the thugs will come after me! How much will it cost me to help him?! Many walk by…especially Priests as Jesus warned in His Parable. To accept the Healing Ministry of Exorcism is a calling within a call to Priesthood, and a response to Divine Mercy for it is a work of Mercy.

This is the kind of charity the world needs to rekindle the credibility of the Servants of God.

If we are unable or unwilling to get involved ourselves, charity dictates we bring it to the attention of the proper authorities, of the Local Ordinary, the Bishop.

It is true that there are few Priests and Bishops willing to deal with such incidents, and when they are recognized and handled, it is by a Priest Exorcist from far away since the local resources are limited. This is why Bishops are heeding the directives of the Holy Father to duly appoint trained Exorcists in their respective Diocese as part and parcel of their episcopal responsibility and accountability. The spiritual Father must provide for his children in all ways, always and at all levels.

Fr. Dominic
 
Hello,

I will simply add and not repeat what has been said.

Integrity of life, piety, knowledge and prudence are criteria according to Canon Law for the duly appointed Exorcist.

Pastoral charity, knowledge of ascetic and mystical theology, human psychology, counselling, spiritual discernment and spiritual direction and zeal for souls are implied as well as indispensable criteria.

The bottom line is charity and mercy for suffering souls no matter what the cause of the affliction is-all forms of suffering and disease must be addressed by the physician who can always refer the patient to a specialized soul medic and psyche medic- the exorcist and other competent, non-biased secular professionals who need not have any religious affiliation at all, yet, not be tainted by anti-religious views in their assessments. The commissions for alleged miracles are similar to what is known as a Discernment Commission. Human science and Divine science working hand in hand. Jesus is True Man and True God, the approach is truly human and truly sacred, respecting the dignity of an afflicted child of God.

Many Dioceses in the US and Canada are now in the process or setting up Discernment Commissions to handle requests for Exorcisms and Deliverance. The Conference of American Bishops has done this at the instigation of Archbishop Dolan I believe last October in New York. In Canada, the Western Canadian Bishops have done this discreetly last February as well. These Commissions are usually categorized as a branch of Healing Ministry and Pastoral Care and/or Spiritual Direction and Discernment.

In this specific case of the man in Saskatoon, there is obviously a person who is afflicted and suffering with an inclination to self-harm. The man responds Catholic Prayer and Blessings by a Catholic ordained minister by changing his behavior and speech. It is not known if the man was aware that the one in his vicinity was indeed Catholic, Christian, a Priest or not, he simply responded in kind to words and gestures. This same man becomes apparently manageable, docile enough to handle and his threatening, defensive, hostile behavior and words are to the least subdued by words and gestures of the Priest present…This indicates to the least the importance of the role of a Priest or Minister in the psychological assessment of this poor man who is suffering.

We can not dismiss spiritual harassment or possession, nor limit his case to a psychological fixation or obsession, any more than not consider any combination of the two. He is suffering and responds positively to the presence of a Catholic Priest, a Priest who has already apparently aided the Police in escorting this man to an institution where he can be properly assessed and hopefully helped. The rest is to be determined for the spiritual good, health, welfare, healing, happiness and holiness of this man. He, like us, is called to be a Saint and Martyr, a Witness of Divine Truth, Love and Mercy, a tribute to the Power of the Cross.

We need to pray for courageous, willing to become competent in this field, merciful good shepherds who are not afraid of seeking the lost sheep, for fear of the prowling wolf…The Good Samaritan did not ask what will happen to me if I stop to help and respond? but rather what will happen to this man if i do not? If I help this man, perhaps the thugs will come after me! How much will it cost me to help him?! Many walk by…especially Priests as Jesus warned in His Parable. To accept the Healing Ministry of Exorcism is a calling within a call to Priesthood, and a response to Divine Mercy for it is a work of Mercy.

This is the kind of charity the world needs to rekindle the credibility of the Servants of God.

If we are unable or unwilling to get involved ourselves, charity dictates we bring it to the attention of the proper authorities, of the Local Ordinary, the Bishop.

It is true that there are few Priests and Bishops willing to deal with such incidents, and when they are recognized and handled, it is by a Priest Exorcist from far away since the local resources are limited. This is why Bishops are heeding the directives of the Holy Father to duly appoint trained Exorcists in their respective Diocese as part and parcel of their episcopal responsibility and accountability. The spiritual Father must provide for his children in all ways, always and at all levels.

Fr. Dominic
God bless you for this.

I have and will continue to Pray for this man and anyone in similar circumstances. Amen.
 
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