Expatriating from America to elsewhere

[ljubim]

Italy would be amazing!!

I’m heading for Poland one day. My family is Polish, and the faith is booming there. Yes, there’s the pettiness of the EU whining for decriminalizing public homosexuality, and whining that abortion laws should be loosened, but it’s not happening. People, even in the government, are openly devout and they’re the good guys.

I wouldn’t be so sure about NZ… I’ve heard that it has the world’s highest suicide rate That’s not any definitive proof, but it does offer some commentary on their society.

But anyway… I’m going to leave because ever since I was little I’ve been the one with the funky last name, the weird little holidays, the different foods. I love being Polish, but it’s far more fun to ‘be Polish’ with other people. Plus, I’m not letting my kids be raised in this environment. Yes, there’s good things about this country, but they pale in comparison to Poland. When I’m in college (here) I’m going to do my part to make this country a bit better and then I’m out of here for my future children. If you don’t see the infringements on free speech and the disintegration of culture that’s been in the works then you probably won’t understand why people want to leave.

I’m not just seeing things badly because I’m a teenager and that’s what I do… Also I have spoken with my mom, and she said when she was pregnant with me she had some seroius doubts about raising me here… But in all honesty it was way too late for her to go anywhere in time for me to be born. And also she had nowhere else to go. But for me, I already have friends and family all over Eastern Europe, and so all I need to do is get in touch and they can help me out. Honestly I’ll probably find a nice place, and see if it’s for sure a fit when I do a year study abroad in college. Then I’ll make the final call I guess.

 

[Truly_Beloved]

You know where I’d truly want to live? Italy…if I could speak it, of course. My dad and his parents, were all born there…I just think that would be so cool. I told my husband, we could live on a farm, remotely somewhere…and then work at a local cafe…stressfree job…walk everywhere…grow our own food. Visit the Pope. It would be incredible. The language barrier though…that’s a problem.

They speak English in Malta, which is soooo close to Italy.



You could almost paddle the boat yourself, to visit Italy…

 

[whatevergirl]

Alright! lol That’ll do!

 

[St_Francis]

I would love to leave America, but as others have said, there is really no other place to go. No place is more free than we are here even with all the current freedoms we are losing.

I think the best thing to do (if you can afford it), is to buy some land in the middle of no where (within driving distance to a Catholic Church, of course!) and live as sustainably as you can. Grow your own fruits and veggies, raise your own meats… Live off the land and do not depend on any one else. Invest in gold and silver.

Buying land takes a lot of money.

Raising your own food is really hard and tricky.

Living off the land sounds great until you find out how expensive it is… and that’s not even counting having to shell out for health insurance and buying gold and silver.

 

[Marysann]

My husband is a has been an American foreign service office for almost twenty-six years, and his diplomatic assignments have given us the opportunity to live in six different countries. We have lived in South America, the Caribbean, the Middle East and Russia, and have friends who have lived everywhere else. Believe me, there is no where in the world more free than the United States of America. If you are worried about the moral state of our country, others countries are worse. Americans are made fun of because we are considered prudes, and our public expressions of religion are considered childish at best and bigoted at worst. I love the verse from the “National Hymn,” “God of Our Fathers,” where it says “In this free land, by Thee our lot is cast.” I think that you will be sorely disillusioned, if you move to another country to escape the problems that we have in America.

 

[Cat]

There are plenty of opportunities for short-term mission service in overseas locations. This would give people some experience with living elsewhere and the opportunity to actually live with nationals and get their perspective.

 

[shannyk]

I’d never want to live as a citizen anywhere but the US. No offense, to all the other lovely places there are in the world, but to live day to day as a citizen, to raise children, work, play, etc. IMHO you cannot beat the US. Not to say I wouldn’t live somewhere else for a period of time possibly, but not for life, and I’d never relinquish my US citizenship. Actually since I was born in Ireland, I had dual citizenship until I was 18 at which time I had to choose Ireland or the US, and though Ireland is a great country, it didn’t take much thinking to choose the US as my home country. Yes, the US has it’s problems, so does every other country. This side of heaven there is no perfect home for any of us.

I find people who talk about moving to other countries, have either not traveled much, or have traveled to a beautiful place and are enamored with it but don’t realize how different it would be to live there, are not very up on world affairs, or are just suffering from a bad case of the grass is greener on the other side syndrome And it just really isn’t.

I would urge anyone willing to give up their US citizenship to first really know exactly what you are giving up.

 

[shannyk]

Although, this catchy tune makes a pretty good case for Canada.

 

[Middleman]

The United States is a very good place to live, which is why so many people want to live here. Canada is a nice country too. I hear New Zealand is very nice. Australia is nice too.

If you want a more conservative area, with more traditional values, I hear the Dakotas are that way. The Mid West is strong on family values. This nation has many options.

I think you have a bad case of “The grass is greener on the other side of the fence” syndrome.

 

[purplesunshine]

Buying land takes a lot of money.

Raising your own food is really hard and tricky.

Living off the land sounds great until you find out how expensive it is… and that’s not even counting having to shell out for health insurance and buying gold and silver.

Actually, in the more rural parts of New England people still do this. One of my co-workers hasn’t baught meat in over 5 years, grows her own veggies, etc. She does this as well as holding down a full time job. If one was truly dedicated I think that self-sustained life is quite possible. Of course, you’d have to have some kind of outside job, but one could do a coding/tech job from home. Infact, I’m told its quite popular in the mid-west to do that.

 

[nowhere2go]

The United States is a very good place to live, which is why so many people want to live here. Canada is a nice country too. I hear New Zealand is very nice. Australia is nice too.

If you want a more conservative area, with more traditional values, I hear the Dakotas are that way. The Mid West is strong on family values. This nation has many options.

I think you have a bad case of “The grass is greener on the other side of the fence” syndrome.

I totally agree with you Middleman. You have 50 states to chose from and Puerto Rico. Their is still hope don’t give up. Face your fear and get involve as mentioned by previous posters. God bless

nowhere2go

 

[Sierrah]

You know where I’d truly want to live? Italy…if I could speak it, of course. My dad and his parents, were all born there…I just think that would be so cool. I told my husband, we could live on a farm, remotely somewhere…and then work at a local cafe…stressfree job…walk everywhere…grow our own food. Visit the Pope. It would be incredible. The language barrier though…that’s a problem.

Hiding only lets the liberals take control.

 

[Truly_Beloved]

I totally agree with you Middleman. You have 50 states to chose from and Puerto Rico. Their is still hope don’t give up. Face your fear and get involve as mentioned by previous posters. God bless

nowhere2go

There are the US Virgin Islands, too. :heaven:

Although, as I understand it, without statehood, the USVI and Puerto Rico don’t have voting rights, correct?

 

[Wooly_Wolf]

No matter how bad it gets, I’ll never abandon the US. My family has fought and died for her for generations, and she has been generous in return. I’ll die in a revolution against a corrupt government before I leave.

 

[Bluegoat]

I said Canada wouldn’t be bad, I didn’t say I’m heading there tomorrow. lol We probably will have tax payer abortion, eventually, it will just be hidden or disguised as something else. It just won’t be part of the healthcare bill…with such an outspoken President who is pro abortion, I can’t see him not trying to fund it through our taxes. But, I keep praying that he won’t succeed on that.

The silver lining, is that I think our current administration has really upset a lot of people who voted for them. This isn’t the change they were hoping for, and I’m thinking that he is a one term President at the rate he’s going. I just pray that our country isn’t harmed beyond repair during these next few years.

Canada has no law anymore restricting abortion, so yes, it is, by default really, publicly funded. But in many ways this focuses the discussion/debate/task of pro-life groups. It isn’t really about access to healthcare, which everyone has, or pverty, or whether we should have publicly funded health care at all, which all seem to get mixed up in the American discussion of abortion. If a person supports public health care, they get accused of peing pro-choice! Instead, about what abortion is, what it does, and what ewe ought to do about it. There are other differences in the abortion question here, but pro-life groups are able to focus specifically on changing people’s understanding of abortion and providing services to those in need.

 

[Naztakuan]

As Daria would say “Life sucks no matter what so don’t be fooled by location changes”

 

[Monty61]

Japan MIGHT be an option.

In Japan, they are having fewer than 1 child per woman, and almost zero immigration. So, in half a generation, (about 40 years) , Japan will demographically self destruct. They are already hiring foreigners in my occupation (airline pilot) simply because they do not have enough bodies.

So there will be a deserted country with great infrastructure. Maybe like minded people could bad together negotiate the rights to set up a colony in Japan.

My source for the demographic info is “America Alone” by Mark Steyn. I highly recommend it.

 

[whatevergirl]

Hiding only lets the liberals take control.

Who said hiding? It could be like a very long vacation. All in how you look at it, Sierrah. lol

 

[whatevergirl]

No matter how bad it gets, I’ll never abandon the US. My family has fought and died for her for generations, and she has been generous in return. I’ll die in a revolution against a corrupt government before I leave.

While my dh and I have thought about leaving as a last resort, this is so true. My dad fought in WWII, so did my husband’s father…and his brothers fought in Vietnam. It is true what you say here.

 

[RedSoxWife]

I’ve thought about it a lot and my husband and I have talked about it. The main thing keeping us in the US would be our families… but I’m not sure if that will keep us hear indefinitely.

I did live in Africa when I attended the University of Cape Town and I can say that I absolutely did not want to come back to United States, ever, when I boarded the plane for the long flight back to the states.

My family tree goes back to the Virginia and Massachusetts colonies, but I don’t really see that binding me here. The greatest tie truly is family.