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Pons
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The miracle, if one believes it, is expressed in physical terms. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Eucharist goes beyond physical.
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
Would you talk about Jesus this way?
Your insultive and flippant attitude towards the Mother of God and a great Saint of the Catholic and Orthodox Church is unappreciated.Yes and the BVM is showing up on a burnt tortilla and rusted septic tank near you. Was St. John D. the Binny Hinn of earlier centuries?
I really have no heart burn if you want to believe that pious myth. I think the Buddah was supposed to have levitated, Muhammed assumed into heaven, etc. That is your faith and you are entitled to it. If it causes you to be more devout then you are blessed by that belief. It is interesting that the Roman Catholics had people who were the equivalent of Binny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and the Word of Faith movement back in the day. It is kind of an Oral Roberts type of thing…your miracle healing is here.
Rev North
Would you talk about Jesus this way?
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
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I think what Atemi is wondering is why the miracle looks like:
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RevDrNorth
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No but Jesus is the son of God. Mary was a human being blessed to give birth to the Son of God. She has NO magic powers. It is also not my faith that really does produce her on tortillas and rusted water tanks as a sign of a divine mircle. You want the newspaper stories. Or the parading statues of Mary as people attach money to her. Catholics do more to disgrace Mary than any Protestant ever has.Hello,
Your insultive and flippant attitude towards the Mother of God and a great Saint of the Catholic and Orthodox Church is unappreciated.
Would you talk about Jesus this way?
You have churches all over Europe with slivers of the true cross, drops of the real blood and on and on. It is funny that the Bible never mentions people saving peices of the true cross or blood as a source of veneration but walla walla bing bang they turn up in Europe. I can see some bedoiun laughing all the way to the bank as he sells this stuff to crusaders (etc) who take them back and get the faithful to pay to see them.
If your Saint regrew his hand, why laugh at Benny Hinn this is no different. In fact, you folks should be ashamed at criticizing any Word of Faith preachers.
What ends up happening with Saint is myth takes over. I forgot the Saint but I recall one claim wa that one spoke fluently a specific language with no training. Reality from his correspondence was that he struggled in that language. But pious myth takes over.
It is okay…you mean well and I am sure your beliefs are sincere and I apologize fo any attempt at humor about your beliefs.
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Atemi
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Please note that the Catholic Church teaches that the Eucharist is B and definitely not A.
A Catholic does not have the option of believing the Eucharist is a piece of cardiac tissue without embracing heresy…except in the case of Lanciano, I guess.
Why it would be a miracle that God would show the world what the Eucharist is not, is beyond me.
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KarenNC
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Thanks, but can’t credit it to Anglican----haven’t been one of those for somewhere in the neighborhood of a decade now.
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paarsurrey
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Hi
As you know I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islam. Though I have read this word “Eucharist” being mentioned in this forum for so many times, but I could not make out as to what it does mean, and what is its significance here. Anybody to explain for me, please.
Thanks
The ultimate truth about Jesus is that he died in Kashmir
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
Ontologically - yes, absolutely. Sensorially and accidentally, no.
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
I will however point out the errors of non-Catholics. For instance, stating that the Eucharist is not merely a symbol but truly and substantially the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ - or that one must have a valid ministerial priesthood in order to have the Eucharist confected - and that anyone who does not assent to this is in error. These are not criticisms but proclamations of the Truth.
Who?
Jesus was also fully man and Mary is His Mother.
Who said anything about magic powers. Saint John Damascene’s hand was restored by the power of God through the intercession of Mary.
Please note that most of the tortilla type apparitions are usually people trying to make a quick buck or 15 minutes in the limelight. And not a single one of those types of visions have been approved by the Church as authentic.
I have my own issues with the money statues, but that is another story.
The True Cross was found by Saint Helen, the mother of Emperor Constantine, in Jerusalem. The finding is celebrated in both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches on September 14 - the Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross.
Who is Benny Hinn, and why would I laugh at him? Is he a comedian?
Criticize. No, unless they are vehemently anti-Catholic vis-a-vis Jack Chick.
I will however point out the errors of non-Catholics. For instance, stating that the Eucharist is not merely a symbol but truly and substantially the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ - or that one must have a valid ministerial priesthood in order to have the Eucharist confected - and that anyone who does not assent to this is in error. These are not criticisms but proclamations of the Truth.
Who?No problem.
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
The Eucharist is a sacrament within the Apostolic Christian Churches (i.e. Catholic, Eastern Orthodox). In the sacrament, which is celebrated within the context of the Liturgy, bread and wine are transubstantiated into the true, real, and substantial Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ who is the Son of God the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity.
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mozart-250
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That’s nice.
Of course the presence or absence of miracles tells me almost nothing concerning the truth of any given theological proposition.
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Isa_Almisry
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The neares muslim equivalent would be reciting Quran and eating the sacrifice on Id al-Adha.
Btw: the word is Greek for “Thanksgiving”
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Atemi
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You were the one who used the story about the Eucharist always changing into flesh (ontologically). Now it seems this is not so after all.
I have seen this before as the usual next step in the explanation: the petrified heart tissue is now the new accidents under which our Lord is, or is not, present…depending on the Catholic you ask at the time.
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Nella
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You are absolutely correct.
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
Ontologically, the Eucharist of Lanciano is as every other Eucharist the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. What the miracle is - is that the accidents transformed also from bread to Flesh (heart tissue) and wine to Blood.
Why God choose the Heart (as opposed to some other tissue) is not entirely known - but I would venture to guess that it is due to the Heart being the center of His great Mercy and Love for us. The Eucharist is a prime example of this Mercy and Love, so in my thinking it is fitting that this miracle incorporate His Heart.
Eucharistic Miracles are super extraordinary events that serve to give us mortals a boost in our faith. They stand to provide a sensorial and accidental experience to the recipient of the miracle.
Ontologically, the Eucharist of Lanciano is as every other Eucharist the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. What the miracle is - is that the accidents transformed also from bread to Flesh (heart tissue) and wine to Blood.
Why God choose the Heart (as opposed to some other tissue) is not entirely known - but I would venture to guess that it is due to the Heart being the center of His great Mercy and Love for us. The Eucharist is a prime example of this Mercy and Love, so in my thinking it is fitting that this miracle incorporate His Heart.
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RevDrNorth
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Yes. Now if you want to tell me he grew his toe nail back…and in with you on that one.
Hmmmm…if I could only figure out how to grow hair back I would be pleased. The Rogaine ain’t working. Do you guys have a Saint for diminished follicles (Patron Saint of lost causes?)
Rev North
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=179327
Saint Cosmas
Saint Damian
Saint Louis IX
Saint Martin de Porres
Saint Mary Magdalen
Or you can pray to the patrons saints of impossible causes:
Saint Jude Thaddeus
Saint Gregory Thaumaturgus
Saint Philomena
Saint Rita of Cascia
That wouldn’t be very miraculous. I started a new thread, please join in:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=179327
There is no patron saint of baldness as far as I know. But, you may be able to sneak by through the patron saints of hairdressers:
Saint Cosmas
Saint Damian
Saint Louis IX
Saint Martin de Porres
Saint Mary Magdalen
Or you can pray to the patrons saints of impossible causes:
Saint Jude Thaddeus
Saint Gregory Thaumaturgus
Saint Philomena
Saint Rita of Cascia
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RevDrNorth
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Most impossible. I have a natural tonsure. Maybe that is why I keep getting called “brother”.Hello,
That wouldn’t be very miraculous. I started a new thread, please join in:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=179327
There is no patron saint of baldness as far as I know. But, you may be able to sneak by through the patron saints of hairdressers:
Saint Cosmas
Saint Damian
Saint Louis IX
Saint Martin de Porres
Saint Mary Magdalen
Or you can pray to the patrons saints of impossible causes:
Saint Jude Thaddeus
Saint Gregory Thaumaturgus
Saint Philomena
Saint Rita of Cascia
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pyropam
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This person must not believe in miracles??? Miracles do not necessarily need Mary to appear, but , just because she has appeared doesn’t mean their have been no miracles…I believe that miracles have occured over most of our planet. Even if you didn’t believe in GOD, psychology tells us that when people are near death or under stress , they will often report visions. Persons on their death bed will report a vision of a great light, Jesus, Mary, or any loved one, then when they don’t die has a miracle occured???
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Gottle_of_Geer
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If it’s a miracle, it disproves the Catholic teaching on the Eucharist. The conversion of the Eucharist is not a miracle, because - according to Catholic theology - a miracle is perceptible to the senses. The Eucharistic conversion is not. So it is suicidal - & verging on the heretical - to treat this thing as proof of the Eucharistic conversion. It is no such thing. There can be no proof of what according to the Church is a dogma of faith. Anymore than there can be proof of the Perpetual Virginity - somehow, the Blessed Virgin is unlikely to turn up so that her child-bearing bits & pieces can be analysed 
Besides - if it happened in the 700s, that is also fishy, as the word “transubstantiatio” was not known: it didn’t come into use before 1140.It’s much more likely that the alleged miracle is based on a misunderstanding - like the pseudo-miracle of Bolsena in 1263, which is explicable as a confusion of rust-coloured cells (their growth stimulated by damp conditions) with human blood; there is no reason to believe it was blood at all. Same here - the “miracle” is probably founded on an elementary mistake.
And who’s to know there hasn’t been fraud in the past 12 centuries ? This may be a distasteful suggestion, but it can’t be ruled out purely for that reason alone: the history of relics is littered with multiple heads of John the Baptist, relics of the OT prophets, & such-like junk. What evidence is there that what has been examined, is the same object as was around 1200 years ago ?
All this nonsense does is feed superstition & debase faith, & weaken the Church in consequence.
A miracle that disproves dogma is no work of God - of satan possibly, of man probably.- Status