Explain This - Non Catholics?

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richwmiller said:
Rev. North, are you Christian?
Has there ever been a miracle that would satisfy you?
Do you believe in miracles?
Has there ever been a miracle where an arm or leg has been regrown?
Did Jesus do it? No!!

I guess we can’t believe in Jesus then since he didn’t perform Rev. North’s favorite miracle.
No reason to be Christian, now 1 2 3 abandon faith!!
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You totally miss it don’t you? He isn’t ever saying that miracles couldn’t happen, it just merely said that this claim to one is false. You don’t get this because you don’t want to.
 
Nella said:
You totally miss it don’t you? He isn’t ever saying that miracles couldn’t happen, it just merely said that this claim to one is false. You don’t get this because you don’t want to.
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I don’t think this one is false. It lead more people to Christ in the Eucharist. If it were false, it would lead them away from Jesus.
 
Atemi said:
Please note that the Catholic Church teaches that the Eucharist is B and definitely not A.

A Catholic does not have the option of believing the Eucharist is a piece of cardiac tissue without embracing heresy…except in the case of Lanciano, I guess.

Why it would be a miracle that God would show the world what the Eucharist is not, is beyond me.

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Excuse me, but I have to laugh. You reject a miracle because it is not the miracle you want!
Somebody else complained about the miracles at Lourdes. No one there ever regenerated a leg or arm so they won’t believe those miracles. Well folks no one has ever regenerated a leg or arm so I guess there are no miracles and never have been. You did not get your favorite miracle. BTW eyes have regenerated.
 
richwmiller said:
Excuse me, but I have to laugh. You reject a miracle because it is not the miracle you want!
Somebody else complained about the miracles at Lourdes. No one there ever regenerated a leg or arm so they won’t believe those miracles. Well folks no one has ever regenerated a leg or arm so I guess there are no miracles and never have been. You did not get your favorite miracle. BTW eyes have regenerated.
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Saw a girl on TV who had no pupils, she went to Saint Pio, who Blessed her.

She then could see even though she never got new pupils, making it even more amazing and confounding the sceptics.

There is the story here too about an eye completely gone and re-appears totally healed.

But what does it matter, there is no convincing some, and we can’t explain them, I suppose thats why they’re called miracles.
 
cheddarsox said:
I thought in the course of the Mass, all the blood is to be consumed by the priest, and the vessel washed out and then THAT water also consumed.

Why wasn’t the blood that resulted from this miracle consumed?
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You missed the point of the miracle if that is all you can think of!!

I am sorry but I thought of Judas’ response to the ointment being used on Jesus. Why wasn’t it sold and the money given to the poor?

I don’t think it was gushing blood. I believe there are miracles of gushing/spilling/pouring blood
 
richwmiller said:
You missed the point of the miracle if that is all you can think of!!

I am sorry but I thought of Judas’ response to the ointment being used on Jesus. Why wasn’t it sold and the money given to the poor?

I don’t think it was gushing blood. I believe there are miracles of gushing/spilling/pouring blood
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No, I didn’t miss the point, I was bringing up an additional point.
I have not argued against, or denied the miracle, nor have I been one to say “show me proof” etc.

I was curious why the blood was not consumed per church teaching. I did not know if a special dispensation is neccessary in this sort of situation.

Everyone who asks a question is NOT against this miracle or miracles in general.
 
I withdraw any objections I have stated in this thread, as I have decided to start becoming a Catholic.

If you want to discuss that, PM me.

No intent to derail, or to get attention. Just to stop misleading.
 
lukewarm said:
Do you have a better reason as to why the Church don’t test the DNA of Eucharistic miracles other than they don’t want to prove prior approved miracles false?
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I think you misunderstand what approved means in “approved miracle” and “approved apparition.” "Approved "doesn’t mean that the church is saying it is a miracle or that is a real apparition. The church is saying that it is not contrary to the faith in believing it to be true and that it is ok to believe it not that any one has to believe it.

You can disbelieve in any and all private revelation since the death of the last apostle and be a faithful Catholic. (No known saints have however) But to be a faithful Catholic you must believe that God can perform miracles to this day! and that God can appear or allow his saints to appear.

Blood tests have been done on the blood from the heart(Lanciano) and it is the same rare blood type as from the Shroud of Turin!!

How much time and money should the church spend on disproving what they have allowed. Where is this money coming from?! Will you pay for it?
But I do think Catholics should not use them as an evangelical tool, there’s simply not nearly enough proof to be remotely convincing to a protestant or Muslim or Buddhist. In fact they do the exact opposite, they make Catholicism look superstitious and foolish. Leave the revelation private like it should be is all I’m saying.
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True stick to the faith as proclaimed.
If the Church took a stronger stance against certain false private revelations we wouldn’t have to be embarrassed about Virgin Mary drywall or grilled cheeses.
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What can they do that they haven’t done? Take out ads in the New York times every time someone finds God in toast?

Will you pay for it?
 
aristotle said:
I withdraw any objections I have stated in this thread, as I have decided to start becoming a Catholic.

If you want to discuss that, PM me.

No intent to derail, or to get attention. Just to stop misleading.
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Good for you ! and I hope & pray that your journey be a fruitful one.:blessyou:
 
Petergee said:
Are you claiming that Quaderni Sclavo di Diagnostica Clinica e di Laboratori is not “an actual science journal”? Or that the scientists at the WHO are “not actual scientists”?
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sounds pretty sensational to be so unknown since 1976, dont you think?
 
JMJ_coder said:
Hello,

Belief in the Shroud is not a matter of doctrine.
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I totally believe in the Shroud of Turin.
qui_est_ce said:
What about Our Lady of Guadaloupe - her mantle in Mexico?
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No doubt in my mind on this one; this is miraculous.

Both of these bear the marks of a miracle, precisely because they involve photography…Something that no one could have known or imagined at the time these relics came into being. Much less could anyone have faked it. (How can you fake something that you have no idea will someday be possible?)
 
Hello,
Zooey said:
I totally believe in the Shroud of Turin.

No doubt in my mind on this one; this is miraculous.
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I believe in both of these, too! 👍

But one is not required to believe in these to be a Catholic.
 
RevDrNorth said:
I think someone might answer (in a different vein)…show me someone who went to Lourdes and grew back a leg or arm and I will believe in the miraculous power of Our Lady to heal. Why has this NEVER happened at Lourdes or anywhere else Mary is showing up and changing rosaries into gold.

As you say…answer that.

Rev North
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An example of your cynical anti-catholic comment.
“Mary is show up and changing rosaries into gold”.
Of all the nerve for you to try to get away with such
blasphemy.

peace
 
RevDrNorth said:
I think someone might answer (in a different vein)…show me someone who went to Lourdes and grew back a leg or arm and I will believe in the miraculous power of Our Lady to heal. Why has this NEVER happened at Lourdes or anywhere else Mary is showing up and changing rosaries into gold.

As you say…answer that.

Rev North
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In Lourdes there is a hospital with atehists and theists doctors. in that hospital there are bunch of proves about the miracles there perhaps u should make a trip over there.
 
JMJ_coder said:
Hello,

I believe in both of these, too! 👍

But one is not required to believe in these to be a Catholic.
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The shroud of Turin is the most perfect prove of God for an skeptic.

the Shrourd of Turin

It only can be debunked by lies, if u make a resaerch about it in all the skeptics website people prefer to lie or to avoid touching the topic. than to present the whole arguments about it.
 
mgrfin said:
An example of your cynical anti-catholic comment.
“Mary is show up and changing rosaries into gold”.
Of all the nerve for you to try to get away with such
blasphemy.

peace
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turning Rosaries into gold??? Thats hilarious. Please stop.
 
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