Explaining sin of drunkeness to the unfaithful?

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Ok So I go to School in Austin Texas, which means clubbing and partying is a HUGE problem at my campus with the infamous 6th street just minutes away. For lent a lot of my “friends” who are only catholic or christian by name or birth are giving up alcohol. With Ash Wednesday fast approaching they have taken to partying harder than usual or are planning to get wasted on fat tuesday. I know what the Catechism says about such things and why getting drunk is sinful, but how do I explain this to people who wouldn’t uphold such things as what the catechism says? I try to evangelize by example a lot at this school, but to the people I am closer to I have tried to talk to them about their actions but I immediately want to come at them from a faith based perspective and that just wont work on a lot of them (yet, hopefully one day I can get there with them!) Any suggestions on what I could do or say in this situation?
 
Some musing here. You might ask them very seriously, just what it is they are seeking in alcohol. Ask them what is missing in their life that they must turn to the bottle to find what they perceive as happiness. Ask them if they would do sober what they have done while drunk. If they say “no”, ask them why alcohol makes any difference at all in the rightness or wrongness of their behavior. Consider: The only way that one may become alcoholic is by drinking. If you happen to know an alcoholic, ask them if they intended to become alcoholic when they began drinking. I do not believe anyone would say “yes”. Ask them how intoxication maintains or contributes to their morality, or to their human dignity. Ask them to consider the term “holy”. Is getting drunk along with all of the others holy, or worldly? Look up what Saint Paul wrote about drunkenness. Just a few suggestions.

If their behavior will not change during Lent, then what does Mardi Gras mean at all? Another excuse to get drunk or high? And, if their behavior will change during Lent, it can also change before Lent - unless they are already alcoholic.
 
Good luck! I think what you are doing is admirable. I also think you are already doing the best thing you can do, being a good example!

I’m not sure what you could say to them to help get your point across. Maybe try to plan a bunch of fun things to do during lent and when doing them drop little hints like “man, this is way more fun than getting wasted all the time”. Or, if doing something that can’t be done drunk (road trip?) comment on how its nice to be able to do this type of thing?

Of course, prayers for them will help!
 
It is rather interesting, I’ve often thought, the various views that exist (at least in the USA) on whether drunkenness itself is a sin. Or to what degree.

You have on the far-conservative end of the spectrum the fundamentalist Protestant, the Mormon, the Muslim, and others who don’t believe alcohol consumption is morally acceptable under any circumstances.

Then you have some cultures (within ethnic communities - or in other countries) that treat wine and beer as an everyday beverage and learn from childhood to deal with it sensibly for the most part. Though that may not protect everyone in those cultures, from what I’ve heard they do at least have lower rates of alcoholism.

We Catholics are rather unique - in the USA anyhow - in that we don’t consider alcohol consumption sinful; it’s morally neutral. Overconsumption, however, we do recognize as sinful - tipsy would be a venial sin, drunk (wasted, hammered, plastered, whatever slang term people use) as a mortal sin.

I think our view is just one that people aren’t used to - and even Catholic kids don’t always get the moral aspect of it unless they get really good catechesis. Since you really know your stuff (good for you 👍 and your parents and teachers) maybe somehow you could capture your friends’ interest by a casual conversation about these varying views.

The drug and alcohol education kids get in school may be focused on the health aspects and the risks of addiction and its consequences - good place to start - but it should also include the moral dimension. It’s kind of like the sex education - is it about avoiding STDs and pregnancy, or is it about chastity? Which, of course, they can’t really do in public schools and maybe still don’t do enough of in Catholic schools - I don’t know if there’s consistency. I went to public school myself, and am old enough to be your mom and never had kids, so I’m not current on what they do for sure.

So by the same token, is the substance abuse education simply about the physical and mental risks, or is it about respecting the body as the temple of the Holy Spirit? About using God’s gifts responsibly and knowing one’s own reactions - like if you are diabetic or come from a family where several people are alcoholics, you would have to be more careful with it. And charity toward one’s neighbor demands that one not lose control of one’s will and ability to make good choices by becoming intoxicated and judgment-impaired. So it’s about more than not getting arrested by the cops.

So, to get back to your original question of how to discuss it - maybe you could just say to your friends “Did you know . . . ?” in a way that engages their interest, and even if they laugh, just laugh back and say, “No, seriously, it’s true!” At least you will plant a seed in their minds. They may also be wanting to engage in sexual excess and see the booze as a way to be uninhibited - in which case that has to be addressed.

Before, during, and after any conversation - pray for God to use you as His instrument, and pray for the best for them! :crossrc:
 
Wow thank you all for all the good advice. I think the biggest problem I encounter here is that when ask my peers why they get drunk, they just say its all fun and games. I feel like they just are doing it because thats really what everyone else does and how they think they should also behave. So thats why I feel is so hard to talk to them some time!!! They really HAVE no reasons for doing all this crazy stuff and then when I start talking about being swayed in the ways of the world, they look at me like im speaking a different language!!!

But I will keep reviewing all that was shared. And please pray that while I am here at this school (BTW its St. Edward’s Unversity, PLEASE never send your children here if you want them to be in a good Catholic Environment!)that I can minister to my peers and lead them to Christ through my actions and words.
 
I wish I had a great answer for this. My atheist sister is in alcohlic and I was in a volunteer program surrounded by drinking. It sounds like there was some conversation because most people said they drank for “fun.” I would ask people why the feel the need to use something to help them have fun? Are they not a fun enough person as they are? Then, by example, like you are doing, show them that fun can be had without drinking. Maybe you could have a get together and not provide alcohol and so you can show them. Good luck and I will keep you in my prayers.

I am glad to say I avoided this atmosphere in college but when I did a catholic volunteer program afterward I never thought I would be living in it again. Loved the program, but relieved I don’t have to deal with this anymore.
 
Hello College_Girl;

I am a street pastor in the UK, this means we walk around the pubs and clubs until 3 am, we try and encourage kindness and care in our community. The toughest thing I struggle to cope with is the effects of drink on girls, we find drunk girls who have been abandoned by their mates.

A drunk 15 year old was found in a ditch with an empty bottle of vodka, on a freezing cold February night. We came across a drunk girl trying to lean against a shop window, her mates were walking off down the road, shouting out that they would see her tomorrow. She was dressed provocatively, a target for any stalker she was so drunk, and could not use her phone to get help, why would girls leave their mates in such a state, I just do not understand.

Drunk girls will say yes to things, that they would not say yes to when they are sober, the time for regret comes the following day. Girls tend to end up with the sexually transmitted diseases,

It almost seems that when girls drink to an excess, they are saying in advance, I don’t care what happens to me
 
Excellent post, Eric, and that final line does seem to ring true. Some of these young ladies have possibly been sexually abused and have zero self-esteem, or else they have bought into the “I want to be a porn star” idiocy in the modern culture. They don’t realize how badly they could be treated by a predator.

College_Girl, sort of along these same lines you might want to point out to those you are trying to help that if they get really drunk, some guy might slip them the date rape drug. I know this is getting away from the spiritual aspect of your question, but if it saves even one from such a fate it’s worth mentioning.

God bless you in your efforts, and I shall add my prayers to them in solidarity so that you won’t feel alone up against all this. You’re really brave and caring. :blessyou:
 
I used to drink heavily when I wasn’t practicing. I remember getting drunk the first time and loved the feeling. Eventually, I was getting drunk every day (for two weeks straight if not longer some other times, though I can’t recall…). What joy was there in being all sloppy in speech and action? Vomiting all over the place?

I was destructive and one who loved to shock. I would run on top of vehicles from trunk to hood. I would steal pool balls and once a pool stick, but threw it when I thought I would be caught. Carried an old “No parking” standing sign a few blocks to my apartment because I wanted it (it just said “NO”). Spewing off shocking phrases that almost caused numerous fights (I would say the phrase and ignore the people when they try to get me to fight and let my friends deal with it). Throwing a shot glass down the stairs and hitting the front door window (causing it to spider crack and now I am trying to muster up the courage to ask to help replace it after almost three years). Or what’s more fun than your (then) girlfriend puking up blood after a long night of drinking or helping her walk home and she just wants to fall backwards with every step?

The best though is kicking a garbage bag on the side of the road and the bag doesn’t move…My big toe may have been broken, but I never bothered to have it checked…or not wanting to buy a drink at the bar (I was cheap, almost always pre-gamed and didn’t like beer…), instead go and bring my own glass and mix a drink outside the bar and then go in and pretend I bought the drink there and get kicked out.

However, the most frightening experience I had was taking someone’s drink near the pool table at the bar that appeared to have just been left by the person. I drank the shot (I think it was a kahlua) and went on my merry way. A half hour or so later at another bar, I started falling backwards, but not even really feeling it (almost floating…). I sensed something was up and proceeded to go home, but I couldn’t see well and fell. I was vulnerable to any attack (I am a very thin male) and I thank God that the person that walked by me on the street didn’t do anything to me. I eventually couldn’t walk home on my own and hid myself behind a dumpster not too far from the bar and tried calling people to get me home. I threw up and couldn’t open my eyes without feeling really sick. I was eventually carried home by two friends and I stayed up to 4 am until I was feeling better. I had to work the next day (which was a Saturday). I never felt so awful then I did that following day. There were times I felt I was going to fall over. I don’t recall drinking more than I usually do that night (this type of intoxication was never something I experienced). I was either way too drunk or that random shot I took was drugged.

Oh, there’s the one-night stand that I felt terrible afterwards (I went to my christian co-worker and expressed my disgust with myself…which as odd for an atheist/agnostic like me at the time). It was the first time I really did something like this.

Oh, drinking on the job in the bathroom is always loads of fun.

Or how about my irresponsibility when driving an hour away for a local band concert and my friend had to drive us both back home and he only had a permit. We both had drank (though he was more sober at the time) and both smoked some pot. We were out-of-state and late at night. My friend would pass the double yellow lines a few times and we get pulled over. He (the driver) admits to drinking, pot and we had a few open containers in the back seat (which we drank in a parking lot much earlier in the night). He only has a learner’s permit and he passes all the tests. We are given the okay to go and he only got a $100 plus ticket.

I even made groups on facebook promoting alcoholism. I was a joke. I’ve got three years of “material”.
I had a small period in my early drinking days where my lower back was in pain and I felt terrible. I stopped for a bit thinking I damaged my kidneys and drank cranberry juice. When I felt better, I discovered my new favorite drink (Jagermeister and Red Bull was my previous drink), cranberry and vodka (cheap vodka…). My drinking continued for two more years…

I eventually stopped for six months without a drink. I finally started allowing myself to drink alcohol in late 2009…maybe early 2010. I had a small moment of drinking until I felt buzzed and stopping, but the purpose was to get buzzed. I haven’t been drunk since that day I quit in either March or April of 2009. I can have a drink without needing to indulge, Now I get nervous of how much I drink (I’m scrupulous) for fear of getting even tipsy.

How can people who experience similar things not see the damaging effects of alcohol? I tried to help a friend lessen his alcohol intake (on a couple known occasions, he woke up the next morning in either someone’s yard sleeping indian style in the rain or by a river). Unfortunately, I didn’t do so well by saying I thought he was depressed. We haven’t been close since.
 
Some of these young ladies have possibly been sexually abused and have zero self-esteem, or else they have bought into the “I want to be a porn star” idiocy in the modern culture. They don’t realize how badly they could be treated by a predator.
I also find this offensive. I live in Austin and go to the same school as College_girl. Yes, I’ve been to 6th Street. Yes, I’ve been drunk before like very, very, very many other college-aged young adults. I’m legal, over 21, always have a DD, and probably only “go out” about once every two months. I make good grades, am happy, and maintain a positive spiritual life of my own.

I’ve never been sexually abused. My mom had me when she was 44 I grew up in a loving, Catholic home. I attended Catholic elementary, middle, high school and now, college.
I do not want to be a porn star. I hate porn; I think it dehumanizes and objectives both women and men.
I have great self-esteem. I am not skinny or perfect, but I think I am beautiful enough.
I do realize that I could be “treated badly by a predator.” Luckily I always go out in groups and watch my drink carefully.

So I’m sorry, but you’re wrong, and your judgements are incredibly offensive and short-sighted.
 
Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

quote the above proverb then show them a picture of an uguly person and ask them if they would sleep with that person while sober. Is it possible you would when drunk?

You are simply pointing out that getting drunk leds to poor judgement.

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Deuteronomy 29:6
Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.

Isaiah 28:7
But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.

Leviticus 10:9 (English Standard Version)
9(A) "Drink no wine or strong drink, you or your sons with you, when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations.

someone had a good point about getting drunk to try to fill their empitiness of God in their life. It is no wonder that those dedicated to God’s service abstain from strong drink or drunkeness.

1 Corinthians 6:10
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Proverbs 23:21
for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
 
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