Explaining the angry tone of today’s Catholic news coverage

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<<<< With our Church caught up in a crisis of historic proportions>>>>
My question:
How much of this is due to Vatican II?
 
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Modern tone and mores is an interesting issue. We have moved from a culture of respectful disagreement to a culture of antagonistic challenge. I’m not sure the past was so great or that the modern approach isn’t warranted.

The past culture of respectful disagreement allowed a lot of really awful things to stay hidden and fester. It allowed people in power to get away with things.

Also, people as a whole have become more untrustworthy, untruthful, and intellectually dishonest. When people are this way then respectful disagreement simply isn’t possible. For instance if a prelate wants to say that people who disagree with the Pope are motivated by racism then he shouldn’t be able to then try to hide behind a standard of respectful disagreement.

In many ways I see the appeal of those who want to return to a culture of respectful disagreement as a ploy for them to be able to continue to have their jabs and barbs while disarming their opponents.
 
Considering how much of this began before V2 and even after continued with priests ordained before V2, I’d say very little.
 
Personally, I find Catholic news no more angry than standard news and commentary. Maybe it is just mirror the culture.

With that said, keeping quiet is part of what contributed to the sex abuse scandal, so I’m not sure being openly critical is entirely bad. We could do without vitriol, though.
 
AlNg said:
How much of this is due to Vatican II?
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I think that the current crisis, like much of Vatican II, are both the result of progressivism in the Church, especially the clergy, going back to the 50’s (or earlier). Vatican II didn’t cause the Church to fall apart, the Church had already begun to fall apart and Vatican II was used to give authority to that change.
 
I pray for the Pope daily, especially as he faces an onslaught of media attacks against him.

I have loved all of the Pope of my lifetime and I show difference, submission, and obedience to them.
 
This is very true. We should think of the generation of young adults at the time of Vatican II. They had been raised and educated prior to the reforms of Vatican II. They were in their 30s, 40s and 50s during the worse of the “spirit of Vatican II” non-sense of the 70s and 80s. When the rosary was abandoned, when adoration of the Blessed Sacrament was abandoned, when the absolute worse liturgical abuses were common. When “Kum By Ya” was a common hymn during mass. Yet they went along with it all, lock, stock, and barrel. My mother it of that generation. She is a tradionalist now. She still says “what were we all thinking”. Yet many of the most progressive catholics, both the laity and the clergy today, are that generation, in their late 60s through 80s.

The problems had to start before Vatican II, it just doesn’t make sense otherwise.
 
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