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MartinJordan
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Yes, but Work it out with Islam first.As we Love them, the Christians and the Muslims dear Brother in God
No matter what all choose!
Regards Tony
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Servant19
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As with most religions, there are some who are extreme in their views and persecute Bahaâis and Christians.
For the most part, moderate Muslims are very loving towards Bahaâis. In Indonesia, the Bahaâi Faith is a recognised state religion.
Why should we make peace with Islam first? I canât follow what your thinking is here Martin?
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JimmyDFG
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I can give you what it said about Prophets to come inâŚ
Luke16:16 'Up to the time of John it was the Law and the Prophets; from then onwards, the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
523 St. John the Baptist is the Lordâs immediate precursor or forerunner, sent to prepare his way. âProphet of the Most Highâ, John surpasses all the prophets, of whom he is the last.
The truth is that God gave us Prophets (Old Testament) and Apostles (New Testament) for the establishing of the church. Prophets pointed ahead to Jesus. Apostles point back to Jesus. But, now God speaks to us through His Son.
Hebrews 1:1-2
At many moments in the past and by many means, God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets; but
in our time, the final days, he has spoken to us in the person of his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things and through whom he made the ages.
Servant my understanding of âcloudsâ is this âŚ
Cloud and light. These two images occur together in the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. In the theophanies of the Old Testament, the cloud, now obscure, now luminous, reveals the living and saving God, while veiling the transcendence of his glory - with Moses on Mount Sinai,at the tent of meeting, and during the wandering in the desert, and with Solomon at the dedication of the Temple. In the Holy Spirit, Christ fulfills these figures. The Spirit comes upon the Virgin Mary and âovershadowsâ her, so that she might conceive and give birth to Jesus.On the mountain of Transfiguration, the Spirit in the âcloud came and overshadowedâ Jesus, Moses and Elijah, Peter, James and John, and âa voice came out of the cloud, saying, âThis is my Son, my Chosen; listen to him!ââ Finally, the cloud took Jesus out of the sight of the disciples on the day of his ascension and will reveal him as Son of man in glory on the day of his final coming.
554 From the day Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, the Master âbegan to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things. . . and be killed, and on the third day be raised.â****Peter scorns this prediction, nor do the others understand it any better than he. In this context the mysterious episode of Jesusâ Transfiguration takes place on a high mountain, before three witnesses chosen by himself: Peter, James and John. Jesusâ face and clothes become dazzling with light, and Moses and Elijah appear, speaking âof his departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalemâ A cloud covers him and a voice from heaven says: âThis is my Son, my Chosen; listen to him!â
555 For a moment Jesus discloses his divine glory, confirming Peterâs confession. He also reveals that he will have to go by the way of the cross at Jerusalem in order to âenter into his gloryâ. Moses and Elijah had seen Godâs glory on the Mountain; the Law and the Prophets had announced the Messiahâs sufferings. Christâs Passion is the will of the Father: the Son acts as Godâs servant; the cloud indicates the presence of the Holy Spirit. âThe whole Trinity appeared: the Father in the voice; the Son in the man; the Spirit in the shining cloud.â
âthe cloud indicates the presence of the Holy Spiritâ
There is your answer as you can see Servant. Maybe its the Bahaâi and MĂrzĂĄ Ḥusayn-`AlĂ NĂşrĂ ( Baha u llah ) thatâs being âun-Biblicalâ and the âfalsehood coming fromâ
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JimmyDFG
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Now of great interest is that in all those passages fulfillment can be Found in JesusThat statement would appear that you do not wish to explore Bahaâi Faith. To me your post just echoâs the past rejection of Christ.
So you would expect a Jew who did not believe in Christ come on to a Post about exploring Christianity and post much like this
The Jewish Faith can not accept people claiming to be the Messiah for these reasons;
The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9).
When the Messiah is reigning as King of Israel, the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel, their homeland (Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24)
There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18).
Now of great interest is that in all those passages fulfillment can be Found in Bahaâuâllah.
I think now time to leave you with it JimmyDFG, unless you actually ask a question that is about exploring what and why we believe.
Regards Tony
Luke24:25-27
Then he said to them, âYou foolish men! So slow to believe all that the prophets have said!
Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer before entering into his glory?â
Then, starting with Moses and going through all the prophets, he explained to them the passages throughout the scriptures that were about himself.
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TonyBS
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Whereas you will have no argument from me that Jesus the Christ can be found in that Prophesy. The question is who has the eyes to see that Bahaâuâllah is the aim of all End Time, End Era Prophesy.
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JimmyDFG
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There will be no further Revelation
66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.
67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called âprivateâ revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christâs definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
Christian faith cannot accept ârevelationsâ that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such ârevelationsâ.
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Techno2000
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QuestionâŚJesus Christ offers us an eternity in a blissful paradise, what does Bahaâuâllah have to offer ?
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TonyBS
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As Jesus has Told us, Much - reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-153.html
ââŚO My servants! My holy, My divinely ordained Revelation may be likened unto an ocean in whose depths are concealed innumerable pearls of great price, of surpassing luster. It is the duty of every seeker to bestir himself and strive to attain the shores of this ocean, so that he may, in proportion to the eagerness of his search and the efforts he hath exerted, partake of such benefits as have been pre-ordained in Godâs irrevocable and hidden TabletsâŚâ
ââŚO My servants! The one true God is My witness! This most great, this fathomless and surging Ocean is near, astonishingly near, unto you. Behold it is closer to you than your life-vein! Swift as the twinkling of an eye ye can, if ye but wish it, reach and partake of this imperishable favor, this God-given grace, this incorruptible gift, this most potent and unspeakably glorious bountyâŚâ
ââŚO My servants! Sorrow not if, in these days and on this earthly plane, things contrary to your wishes have been ordained and manifested by God, for days of blissful joy, of heavenly delight, are assuredly in store for you. Worlds, holy and spiritually glorious, will be unveiled to your eyes. You are destined by Him, in this world and hereafter, to partake of their benefits, to share in their joys, and to obtain a portion of their sustaining grace. To each and every one of them you will, no doubt, attainâ.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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So, if he offers the same thing, why should we even bother with Bahaâuâllah ?
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TonyBS
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JimmyDFG - Now you even go to Bahaâi hate sites.
Are you aware the Truth can not be suppressed and even those who reject but spread the message.
Most will see this site for what it is, when you also see it for what it is still know that we Love you.
Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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Depends if you wish to really Know Jesus and the Father and all truth;
John14:6Jesus said to him, âI am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. 7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.â 8Philip said to Him, âLord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.ââŚ
John 8:19
Then they asked him, âWhere is your father?â âYou do not know me or my Father,â Jesus replied. âIf you knew me, you would know my Father also.â
The Father has now Spoken.
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Techno2000
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**The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of** fire **that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
Acts 2**
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Techno2000
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That doesnât answer my question at all, and you had to use the Bible to try answer it.
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TonyBS
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You are a strange person Techno, like a chameleonThat doesnât answer my question at all, and you had to use the Bible to try answer it.
It fully answered the Question. The answer is you want to know Christ, Really Know Christ, you Must get to know Bahaâuâllah, I think that is Biblical and Think that was that clear
that is what is offered.If I posted something from the Bahaâi Writings they would be disregarded as not being Divine Revelation and the answer also rejected.
Post an answer from the Bible, same result.
So do you think we are done with the exploring?
I think there is no exploration happening. 
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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Letâs try again⌠if the Bahaâi Heaven is not any better than the Catholic Heaven then why bother with the Bahaâi Heaven,if it is better then show me how.You are a strange person Techno, like a chameleon
It fully answered the Question. The answer is you want to know Christ, Really Know Christ, you Must get to know Bahaâuâllah, I think that is Biblical and Think that was that clear
If I posted something from the Bahaâi Writings they would be disregarded as not being Divine Revelation and the answer also rejected.
Post an answer from the Bible, same result.
So do you think we are done with the exploring?
Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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Much written on this, but it is Bahaâi Writings.
Its like being Born from the Womb into this world.
While in the Womb you develop all the Limbs, organs and senses you need for this world. to be born without some of these one becomes âHandicappedâ.
Thus it is the same when we are born from this world to progress in all the worlds of God. If we have not developed our full range of Spiritual Limbs we will be Handicapped in those Worlds. It is not possible to grow limbs after one is born, but there as there are artificial Limbs, there is also the Bounty and Mercy of God.
Without recognizing all the Revelations of God, there are many Limbs missing.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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VAGUE
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Techno2000
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Oh I see now how it works, one must progress in all the worlds of God, and recognize all the Revelations of God, and grow our Spiritual Limbs to fully enjoy Heaven.
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