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MartinJordan
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It is very simple worldcitizen. I ask you. What did Jesus say immediately after Mark 10:18 Can you state it here. And we’ll go from there. Baby steps just for you.
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Widlast
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Bahai teachings imply a schizophrenic god. If you take a close look at the teachings of Christ, Buddha, Krisna, Muhammad, etc, they are plainly contradictory on many points.
You would think that any real god would at least be consistent.
You would think that any real god would at least be consistent.
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TonyBS
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Again Eddie these views are incorrect, this advice is good to consider;
"O contending peoples and kindreds of the earth! Set your faces towards unity, and let the radiance of its light shine upon you. Gather ye together, and for the sake of God resolve to root out whatever is the source of contention amongst you. Then will the effulgence of the world’s great Luminary envelop the whole earth, and its inhabitants become the citizens of one city, and the occupants of one and the same throne. – Baha’u’llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha’u’llah,
Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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Any inconsistency seen is ones owns shortcomings not God, we are all to work at our shortcomings.
Regards Tony
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Widlast
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You are dancing around the issue. The teachings of the various men that the Bahai claim are all prophets are contradictory.
Christian doctrine from Jesus - God would like all to be saved and his followers are not to persecute those who don’t want to follow their teachings
Moslem doctrine from Muhammad - God delights in sending men to hell, his followers are to kill or subjugate all who do not follow their teachings
You may notice a bit of discord between the two.
So either one of them was not a prophet at all, or God was lying to one of them.
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IgnatianPhilo
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Our own inconsistency how? Let’s examine how morals change with each revelation.
Abraham Through Moses: Polygamy is allowed
Jesus: Polygamy is not allowed
Muhammad: Polygamy is allowed
Ali Nuri: Polygamy is not allowed
How is this an example of our own short comings?
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eddie_too
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tony,
bahaullah and his teachings are the only sources of dissension i see between us. rooting him out is not my recommendation. it is bahaullah’s recommendation. if you reject bahaullah and his teachings and commit yourself in faith to Jesus and the teachings of the magisterium of the RCC, there will be no dissension between us.
but if you think the bahai teaching contrarily to the Lord’s duly appointed authorities is going to end the dissension that it in fact is creating, i cannot disagree more strongly.
bahaullah and his teachings are the only sources of dissension i see between us. rooting him out is not my recommendation. it is bahaullah’s recommendation. if you reject bahaullah and his teachings and commit yourself in faith to Jesus and the teachings of the magisterium of the RCC, there will be no dissension between us.
but if you think the bahai teaching contrarily to the Lord’s duly appointed authorities is going to end the dissension that it in fact is creating, i cannot disagree more strongly.
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eddie_too
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techno, you are right. however, the bahai’s new interpretations require complete rejection of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
is that important? well, are insights in to the accurate and true insights in to the divine nature important? is it important whether or not the Second Person became man in Jesus of Nazareth? is it important whether or not Jesus body was physically raised, the Lord’s grave was empty, the Lord’s glorified body ate food and was physically touched by His disciples?
according to the bahai, bahaullah said that all of these truths given us by Jesus are wrong.
some of the bahai carry this out to the point of saying that these truths are wrong because Jesus was incapable of transmitting them authentically to His Twelve Apostles and their successors.
the bahai do not even see the inherent contradiction in glorifying a man who was incapable of preserving what he brought to mankind for future generations. the consequence of the bahai system of belief is to render Jesus in to some guy that convinced a lot of people to glorify Him for no truly good reason since whatever He brought to us was unavailable to us until bahaullah showed up 1,800 years later.
hey techno, i have a bridge in brooklyn that i would like to sell you!!!
is that important? well, are insights in to the accurate and true insights in to the divine nature important? is it important whether or not the Second Person became man in Jesus of Nazareth? is it important whether or not Jesus body was physically raised, the Lord’s grave was empty, the Lord’s glorified body ate food and was physically touched by His disciples?
according to the bahai, bahaullah said that all of these truths given us by Jesus are wrong.
some of the bahai carry this out to the point of saying that these truths are wrong because Jesus was incapable of transmitting them authentically to His Twelve Apostles and their successors.
the bahai do not even see the inherent contradiction in glorifying a man who was incapable of preserving what he brought to mankind for future generations. the consequence of the bahai system of belief is to render Jesus in to some guy that convinced a lot of people to glorify Him for no truly good reason since whatever He brought to us was unavailable to us until bahaullah showed up 1,800 years later.
hey techno, i have a bridge in brooklyn that i would like to sell you!!!
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Techno2000
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We’re not in awe of Baha’u’llah flowery Language why can’t he just get to the point with something other than “World Unity” what else does he have to say ?
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Techno2000
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If Baha’u’llah says God is Unknowable,then what is the point of a Baha’u’llah ?
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jeffrey_erwin
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I can’t agree with this statement. On of the primary reasons that people accept Baha’u’llah as a Prophet is not because he performed miracles, but because of the strength and rationality of his teachings. It should be obvious to anyone that our planet desperately needs a bona-fide World Government, but I notice an almost fanatical resistance to this idea among Catholics and other Christian groups.
Baha’u’llah’s teachings are compatible with our Lord’s own teachings:
“. . .if the Friends of God be slain it is better in the eyes of this Oppressed One than that they should injure anyone.”
“Murder and adultery are unlawful for you, also back-biting and calumniation. Avoid what you have been forbidden in the Books and the Tablets.”
“Do not rejoice in what you possess at night fall, when at sunrise another will possess it.”
“No one should glory over another. All are slaves to Him and guides to the truth that ‘there is no god but He.’”
“Adorn your selves with the beautiful garments of (good) works.”
“Wealth has distracted you from the End. This should not be, if you only knew.”
“Whoever follows the Master, indeed, turns away from the world entirely.”
“Do not worship anyone but God.”
“Be not of those who are bewildered in the desert of lusts.”
“Look at mankind; they are like sheep, they must have a shepard to keep them.”
“Do not approve for another what you do not approve for yourselves. Fear God and certainly do not be among the proud.”
“Whoever becomes angry with you, meet him with gentleness. Whoever does evil to you, do not do evil to him.”
I could go on. We should remember that the Baha’i Faith comes out of Islam and that Baha’u’llah may be regarded as the Messiah of Shi’ite Islam. Our own Teacher came out of Judaism, was the Messiah of Judaism, and His Teaching transcended that religion and spread world wide. So Baha’u’llah’s Teachings have not only reformed the excesses of Islam, they are also relevant to our world today.
Blessed is the one who acknowledges our Creator and His wonders, and who confesses that He is not to be questioned about what He does.
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jeffrey_erwin
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Our Sacred Teacher had power over all demons.
So this is not an explanation of why He chose to submit Himself to torture.
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Techno2000
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So why your not a Baha’is ? **
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Techno2000
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**It was to show his Great Love for Man.
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worldcitizen
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Christ had many roles. IF we see Jesus’s primary duty as an EDUCATOR, to advance our level of spiritual understanding so that we could a) come closer to God and b) so that we could develop a better society then it becomes more understandable that in order for Jesus to teach us something new He had to agree to be persecuted as it was against the norm and culture of the day.
So Jesus didn’t come here just to be crucified but He was crucified as a result of what He came here to try and do and that was teach us a different culture and way of life.
If you look at the Bab for instance. His duty was to announce the end of shariah law and cause a break with old traditions so man could enter upon a new age and way of thinking. That caused a revolution and He and His followers suffered greatly but that was His purpose. The purpose was not to come and suffer. The purpose was to create a new age but He had to give up His life to bring that new age in. The same with Jesus. His suffering would have been meaningless had He not taught us anything. He came to teach us new things and as a result He was crucified so we are forever grateful for that.
So Christ was not a sacrificial lamb for an angry God but was sent by a loving God to help us become more advanced spiritually and He was prepared to sacrifice His life and go against the culture and customs of the day to get His message of love across and He knew they would react violently but He also knew that it would change human history for the better and was more than happy to lay down His life to teach us to love God and each other.
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jeffrey_erwin
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If you have been reading my posts, then you know that I have issues with what Abdul-Baha said about our Teacher’s Miracles and Resurrection. I understand why Abdul-Baha denied the physical reality of these events, but his denial contradicts our Gospel.
Baha’u’llah affirmed the correctness of our Holy Gospels as written. Therefore I see a contradiction in what Baha’u’llah affirmed and what Abdul-Baha postulated.
Baha’u’llah forcefully declared that Divine Certitude was reserved for himself alone, and was not shared with anyone else.
However, the Universal House of Justice has chosen to give certitude to whatever Abdul-Baha wrote and has, thereby, given him precedence over his father.
The UHJ has refused to correct the obviously erroneous denial that our Lord’s body disappeared (vanished) from His burial linen locked inside a sealed and guarded tomb.
Baha’s are required to accept certitude for Abdul-Baha just as Catholics must regard St. Paul’s writings as gospel.
If I were to become a Baha’i I would be immediately excommunicated because of my refusal to accept certitude for Abdul-Baha. So what would be the point?
BTW, years ago Abdul-Baha’s flowery denial of the actuality of Rabbi Yeshu’s Resurrection finished with a short statement that flat out stated that neither His Miracles nor his Resurrection actually occurred. I see that this sentence is now removed.
I, for one, think that all of Abdul-Baha’s obviously incorrect statements should be discarded, but, apparently, that’s not going to happen.
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TonyBS
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Yes how to put it into Practice, it appears this does require people to educate themselves better.
The writings of Baha’u’llah show you how to put this into Practice as a World Community.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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Put what into Practice… a One World Government ?
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TonyBS
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This is the Only way to Know and Love God, the only way can get a Glimpse of what is the reason for why we were created. They can only teach us the the capacity we have gained.
So much of our Brain still not used, so much still used badly. Who knows what the future holds, but we are right here right now to find our greatest potential.
Right here right now our greatest potential is know God through the Father Baha’u’llah. Baha’u’llah shows us How Christ, Muhammad and all past Revelations are but to build on our capacity in understanding these Revelations. Baha’u’llah has explained it so
"To every discerning and illuminated heart it is evident that God, the unknowable Essence, the Divine Being, is immensely exalted beyond every human attribute, such as corporeal existence, ascent and descent, egress and regress. Far be it from His glory that human tongue should adequately recount His praise, or that human heart comprehend His fathomless mystery. He is, and hath ever been, veiled in the ancient eternity of His Essence, and will remain in His Reality everlastingly hidden from the sight of men. “No vision taketh in Him, but He taketh in all vision; He is the Subtile, the All-Perceiving.”…
The door of the knowledge of the Ancient of Days being thus closed in the face of all beings, the Source of infinite grace, according to His saying, “His grace hath transcended all things; My grace hath encompassed them all,” hath caused those luminous Gems of Holiness to appear out of the realm of the spirit, in the noble form of the human temple, and be made manifest unto all men, that they may impart unto the world the mysteries of the unchangeable Being, and tell of the subtleties of His imperishable Essence.
These sanctified Mirrors, these Day Springs of ancient glory, are, one and all, the Exponents on earth of Him Who is the central Orb of the universe, its Essence and ultimate Purpose. From Him proceed their knowledge and power; from Him is derived their sovereignty. The beauty of their countenance is but a reflection of His image, and their revelation a sign of His deathless glory. They are the Treasuries of Divine knowledge, and the Repositories of celestial wisdom. Through them is transmitted a grace that is infinite, and by them is revealed the Light that can never fade…. These Tabernacles of Holiness, these Primal Mirrors which reflect the light of unfading glory, are but expressions of Him Who is the Invisible of the Invisibles. By the revelation of these Gems of Divine virtue all the names and attributes of God, such as knowledge and power, sovereignty and dominion, mercy and wisdom, glory, bounty, and grace, are made manifest.
These attributes of God are not, and have never been, vouchsafed specially unto certain Prophets, and withheld from others. Nay, all the Prophets of God, His well-favored, His holy and chosen Messengers are, without exception, the bearers of His names, and the embodiments of His attributes. They only differ in the intensity of their revelation, and the comparative potency of their light. Even as He hath revealed: “Some of the Apostles We have caused to excel the others.”
It hath, therefore, become manifest and evident that within the tabernacles of these Prophets and chosen Ones of God the light of His infinite names and exalted attributes hath been reflected, even though the light of some of these attributes may or may not be outwardly revealed from these luminous Temples to the eyes of men. That a certain attribute of God hath not been outwardly manifested by these Essences of Detachment doth in no wise imply that they who are the Day Springs of God’s attributes and the Treasuries of His holy names did not actually possess it. Therefore, these illuminated Souls, these beauteous Countenances have, each and every one of them, been endowed with all the attributes of God, such as sovereignty, dominion, and the like, even though to outward seeming they be shorn of all earthly majesty….
Above says it all and answers all questions in this regard
Regards Tony.
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JimmyDFG
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How can the Baha’u’llah be so concerned with the world thats so sinful? Is the Baha’u’llah of this world… or world community?
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