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JimmyDFG
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Then why are you here in CAF?
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Servant19
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Are you saying that in 1Cor 15:44, St Paul is referring to the soul as a “spiritual body”?
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JimmyDFG
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Stick to the post it belongs to
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Servant19
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What is the purpose of a Baha’i thread on a “non-Catholic religions” section here therefore?
I’m on this thread to share the Baha’i religion’s teachings and when the resurrection is mentioned as some sort of “deficiency” in the Baha’i religion, I must analyse the Catholic perspective and frankly, I’m confused by it…
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Servant19
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Servant19
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Again, quite disrespectful to call my faith weak.
If I tell you that black is white, will you accept it? If 1+1=3, would you accept it?
How would you feel if I insisted on it and said that you are weak in faith?
If the Resurrection is physical, and ocurred in the physical world, then it is a domain of science, not religion.
The domain of the world, and worldly matters is science. So naturally a physical resurrection requires proof, not faith. Therefore as you put it so frankly “If it can’t be proven then its annulled”
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worldcitizen
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Not annulled. Christians don’t have any proof that Christs resurrection was a physical one except their interpretation of the Bible but we interpret it to mean a spiritual resurrection and the resurrection of Christianity.
Just because they haven’t found the body doesn’t mean there isn’t one.
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JimmyDFG
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You were here long before this Baha’i thread started Servant. Try again
So you’re here to share the Baha’i teachings …and to influence your religion
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Servant19
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Yes, and I have pretty much posted exclusively in the non-Catholic religions forum here.
Is this the place for Catholics only?
A non-Catholic perspective is unwelcomed?
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JimmyDFG
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The physical Resurrection of Jesus is a fundamental and essential doctrine of Christianity. So the Baha’i fabrication believing it didn’t happen …is like saying Christianity shouldn’t or doesn’t exist
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jeffrey_erwin
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Hmmmm…I recently quoted for you a book title in which the author shows just how the Resurrection of Jesus can be proved.
For many, the evidence so far found on His burial cloth is proof enough. Just because you have not bothered to look at the evidence doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
So your statement that Christians don’t have any proof is not correct.
As for “finding the body,” I though that we had discussed this but, perhaps, I did not make my point.
In the Kitab-i-Iqan,pg. 98, Baha’u’llah states:
“We have also heard a number of the foolish of the earth assert that the genuine text of the Heavenly Gospel doth not exist among the Christians . . .”
The text of Mathew 27/28 clearly indicates that on arriving at Jesus’s tomb which had been both sealed and guarded overnight, the women found no body.
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. . .some of the guard went off into the city to tell the chief priests all that had happened.
These . . .handed a considerable sum of money to the soldiers with these instructions, “This is what you must say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ And should the governor come to hear of this, we undertake to put things right with him ourselves and to see that you do not get into trouble.”
The soldiers took the money and and carried out their instructions, and to this day that is the story among the Jews.
Baha’u’llah’s writings would seem to confirm the validity of this Gospel text. The scientific examination of Jesus’s burial linen also confirms it.
There was no body present in His tomb when the seal was broken and the stone rolled away.
WC, I am surprised and disappointed that we are having this conversation again.
It seems to me that you do not accept Baha’u’llah’s edict that Divine Certitude was reserved for himself alone.
In fact it seems that you give more credence to the words of his son than you do to his.
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arthra
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Well I don’t think there’s any question about the Baha’i perspective here on the resurrection… It’s pretty clear we Baha’is accept the spiritual resurrection.
Many Christians accept that Jesus was physically resurrected…and I would say most Baha’is with a Christian background can acknowledge that many Christians believe in a physical resurrection.
There are a few exceptions but we’re not here to argue with people about this.
Arguing about it here probably won’t change things a lot except taking more space on this forum.
There is a fairly good article on the Baha’i perspective on the resurrection here by Mark Foster:
bahai-library.com/foster_resurrection_bahai_perspective
There’s also a brief compilation on resurrection from Baha’i sources here:
bahaiquotes.com/quotepage.php?Quotes%2FResurrection+
Many Christians accept that Jesus was physically resurrected…and I would say most Baha’is with a Christian background can acknowledge that many Christians believe in a physical resurrection.
There are a few exceptions but we’re not here to argue with people about this.
Arguing about it here probably won’t change things a lot except taking more space on this forum.
There is a fairly good article on the Baha’i perspective on the resurrection here by Mark Foster:
bahai-library.com/foster_resurrection_bahai_perspective
There’s also a brief compilation on resurrection from Baha’i sources here:
bahaiquotes.com/quotepage.php?Quotes%2FResurrection+
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worldcitizen
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Not at all. If Christianity didn’t exist we wouldn’t either.
Consider it just speculation. But Christianity’s foundation as far as I know is based on ‘love one another’ and that’s what I understand as most important.
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Techno2000
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That’s useless everybody has a “spiritual” resurrection after they die.
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TonyBS
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Always liked this passage, to me deep spiritual meanings but will also be manifest in the material world.
Electro Magnetism maybe? As computers and chips and switches get better, I would say wow. In fact there is a fair bit of wow in magnetic power and engines already.
"O servant of Bahá! Be self-sacrificing in the path of God, and wing thy flight unto the heavens of the love of the Abhá Beauty, for any movement animated by love moveth from the periphery to the centre, from space to the Day-Star of the universe. Perchance thou deemest this to be difficult, but I tell thee that such cannot be the case, for when the motivating and guiding power is the divine force of magnetism it is possible, by its aid, to traverse time and space easily and swiftly. Glory be upon the people of Bahá.
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Electro Magnetism maybe? As computers and chips and switches get better, I would say wow. In fact there is a fair bit of wow in magnetic power and engines already.
"O servant of Bahá! Be self-sacrificing in the path of God, and wing thy flight unto the heavens of the love of the Abhá Beauty, for any movement animated by love moveth from the periphery to the centre, from space to the Day-Star of the universe. Perchance thou deemest this to be difficult, but I tell thee that such cannot be the case, for when the motivating and guiding power is the divine force of magnetism it is possible, by its aid, to traverse time and space easily and swiftly. Glory be upon the people of Bahá.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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Kinda like saying all religions teach the same thing.:tsktsk:
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Techno2000
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No, David Christianity is based on the death and resurrection of Jesus… who is God the Son, how else could a mere mortal open the Gates of Heaven ?
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Servant19
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No one has ever said that.
They (the major independent global religions) teach the same spiritual Truth however, and any comparative religion website can show you that. They all taught salvation, they all taught they were the Way, or the only Path, they all offered forgiveness of sins, they all taught everlasting life, they all taught an incomprehensible essence of God, they all taught love, harmony, humility, forgiveness, forbearance, cleanliness, reverence, detachment from worldly things, the list goes on and on.
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Servant19
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Yes and nowhere does it say that your faith is in vain if you do not have a PHYSICAL resurrection of Christ.
The whole concept of a PHYSICAL resurrection is not mentioned at all in the Bible.
However a spiritual Resurrection and a spiritual body is mentioned explicitly.
Your faith is not lost with a spiritual body Jimmy. In fact, since God is Spirit, I think your relationship is fortified. We must not underestimate the power of the spiritual body. It is not a floating piece of wind or air…these lessening analogies disrespect what is within us that is of God.
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Techno2000
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They all taught a thousand truths…No one has ever said that.
They (the major independent global religions) teach the same spiritual Truth however, and any comparative religion website can show you that. They all taught salvation, they all taught they were the Way, or the only Path, they all offered forgiveness of sins, they all taught everlasting life, they all taught an incomprehensible essence of God, they all taught love, harmony, humility, forgiveness, forbearance, cleanliness, reverence, detachment from worldly things, the list goes on and on.
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