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Is there other proof of this outside Baha’i sources?
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Servant19
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No games Jimmy. Could you please refrain from defaming my character?
Here is the dialogue you had with WC. Please advise if I have misunderstood you?
God bless you
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worldcitizen
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Also the name ‘Paraclete’ has been omitted from all Bible’s as they became aware that the Arabic translation referred to AHMAD a name of Muhammad. Coincidence that a ‘prophecy’ again was the verse whitewashed in the guise of a ‘new translation’.
So TWO Manifestations of God have been deliberately whitewashed from the Bible through ‘translations’ . Looks very innocent but more the work satan if you ask me.
YES. The Bahai is showing facsimiles of an ARABIC NEW TESTAMENT not a Baha’i Book but YOUR Bible translated into Arabic which read BAHAULLAH in a prophecy before Baha’u’llah proclaimed His Mission.
Once Baha’u’llah proclaimed His Mission they conveniently WHITEWASHED it with a ‘new translation’ How convenient.
Get anyone who understands Arabic and they can read the Name Baha’u’llah for you if you don’t believe it.
This is what I mean. Huge vested interests don’t want you to know Mihammad or Baha’u’llah were prophesied in the Bible so sneakingly omitted the Names of TWO MANIFESTATIONS of God so you guys ‘wouldn’t go astray’. How thoughtful!!!
fananapazir.co.nr/bibles.html
So TWO Manifestations of God have been deliberately whitewashed from the Bible through ‘translations’ . Looks very innocent but more the work satan if you ask me.
YES. The Bahai is showing facsimiles of an ARABIC NEW TESTAMENT not a Baha’i Book but YOUR Bible translated into Arabic which read BAHAULLAH in a prophecy before Baha’u’llah proclaimed His Mission.
Once Baha’u’llah proclaimed His Mission they conveniently WHITEWASHED it with a ‘new translation’ How convenient.
Get anyone who understands Arabic and they can read the Name Baha’u’llah for you if you don’t believe it.
This is what I mean. Huge vested interests don’t want you to know Mihammad or Baha’u’llah were prophesied in the Bible so sneakingly omitted the Names of TWO MANIFESTATIONS of God so you guys ‘wouldn’t go astray’. How thoughtful!!!
fananapazir.co.nr/bibles.html
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Nice try Servant …No games Jimmy. Could you please refrain from defaming my character?
Here is the dialogue you had with WC. Please advise if I have misunderstood you?
God bless you
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"Hi Jimmy.
" This is an example of what I think really happened.
"Thou didst ask as to the transfiguration of Jesus, with Moses and Elias and the Heavenly Father on Mount Tabor, as referred to in the Bible. This occurrence was perceived by the disciples with their inner eye, wherefore it was a secret hidden away, and was a spiritual discovery of theirs. Otherwise, if the intent be that they witnessed physical forms, that is, witnessed that transfiguration with their outward eyes, then there were many others at hand on that plain and mountain, and why did they fail to behold it? And why did the Lord charge them that they should tell no man? It is clear that this was a spiritual vision and a scene of the Kingdom. Wherefore did the Messiah bid them to keep this hidden, ‘till the Son of Man were risen from the dead,’ that is, until the Cause of God should be exalted, and the Word of God prevail, and the reality of Christ rise up.(Abdul-Baha) "
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Where are you getting this source?
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TonyBS
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There are other sources, have to track them down - hurqalya.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ABSTRACT-Baha’u’llah%20Bible.htm
In these Bibles the “Gate” is written as the Bab and the “Glory of the Lord”, or “The Glory of God” is written as Baha’u’llah
It was during the period of his decade or so exile in Iraq (1853-1863; the Iraq or
Baghdad period') that Baha'u'llah, the founder of the Baha'i religion, began to cite Islamo-biblical then canonical biblical texts in a sometimes paraphrased Arabic or Persian version. During this period he was propagating the religion established by Sayyid Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab (1819-1850) which was suffering persecution and decline after the execution of its Persian founder in 1850 CE. While the Bab drew on Isra’iliyyat or Islamo-biblical and related qisas al-anbiya’ (Stories of the Prophets) materials, he seldom, if at all, quoted the canonical Bible. Baha’u’llah not only quoted the New Testament in his Arabic Jawahir al-asrar (The Gems [Essence] of the Mysteries', c.1861 CE) and the closely related, slightly later, Kitab-i Iqan (The Book of Certitude’, c. 1862 CE), he also strongly argued against the developed Islamic notion of the scriptural tahrif (“corruption”, “falsification”…) of the Bible or New Testament. This in the context of underlining the non-literal fulfillment of Biblical predictions surrounding the person and mission of the Prophet Muhammad (d. 632 CE) as well as those predictive of the messianic status of the Bab and the veracity of his new Babi religion. When understood spiritually, it was argued, biblical texts contain deep mysteries. New Testament predictions of Jesus recorded in the Gospels can be seen to have been fulfilled.Cornelius Van Dyck (1819-1895)
The biblical proof texts cited in the two above-mentioned, major apologetic writings (istidlaliyya) of Baha’u’llah during the late 1860s are largely in accordance with Christian printed Arabic New Testament texts dating to the 17th century, most notably the Paris and London Polyglot Bibles and related Biblical texts printed during the 18th and 19th centuries. During the later decades of his mission prior to his ascension in Acre (Ottoman Palestine) in 1892 CE., Baha’u’llah continued to quote and comment upon both the Hebrew Bible and New Testament texts again largely in accordance with later Protestant translations, most notably those of the American Protestant missionaries Eli Smith (1801-1857) and Cornelius van Dyck (1819-1895), whose Arabic Bible version began to appear in print in Beirut from the mid. 1860s. Baha’u’llah and `Abdu’l-Baha often cited this Arabic translation as well other Arabic and Persian Bible translations several of which remain in print or widely circulated throughout the Middle East today.
While the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is hardly cited by Baha’u’llah before the Acre period (1868-1892 CE), there are hundreds, if not thousands of his scriptural alwah (Tablets) which cite the Hebrew Bible and/or the Christian New Testament during the last twenty-four years of his lifetime within the Ottoman dominions. A few biblically informed Tablets of Baha’u’llah dating from the late 1860s or subsequent decades have been translated into English and become well-known during the late 19th - early 20th centuries; including the Lawh-i Pap (Tablet to the Pope, c.1869) and Lawh-i Aqdas (Most Holy Tablet, mid 1870s?). Others such as the Lawh-i Hartik (Tablet to the Templar leader Hardegg, early 1872) remain little known. Many others await translation and publication.
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Servant19
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Well my sincere apologies Jimmy.
I am human, please treat me with compassion. I am capable of mistakes you know
You are judging me for challenging questions as being insincere, and I feel that is unfair …
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TonyBS
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E G Browne was not a Baha’i, but yes the Baha’is will quote His works as they are also a very important History Recollections of the Faith from someone whop was not a Baha’i.
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The thing is Tony these efforts to prevent people from seeing that their own Bible’s had clearly foretold both Muhammad and Baha’u’llah was done because there’s a lot to lose here like a few billion followers and we wouldn’t want that to happen would we thus the efforts to ‘hide’ these Two Manifestations of God from the entire Christian world.
As they put out more and ‘newer’ translations expect more whitewashing.
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David - personally I have not looked much into this subject, I have seen it quoted quite a bit, but I was not inclined at the time to look for the sources.
IMHO For it to hold any weight it will need a few external sources that showed this has happened. Should not be hard, but it is no my language. I have a friend that may be able to offer more links, I will contact and see what he Finds.
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‘Abdu’l-Bahá said:
I have spoken to you of some of the principles of Bahá’u’lláh: The Search after Truth and The Unity of Mankind. I will now explain the Fourth Principle, which is The Acceptance of the Relation between Religion and Science.
There is no contradiction between true religion and science. When a religion is opposed to science it becomes mere superstition: that which is contrary to knowledge is ignorance.
How can a man believe to be a fact that which science has proved to be impossible? If he believes in spite of his reason, it is rather ignorant superstition than faith. The true principles of all religions are in conformity with the teachings of science.
reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/PT/pt-45.html
This sounds like something an Atheist would say.
I have spoken to you of some of the principles of Bahá’u’lláh: The Search after Truth and The Unity of Mankind. I will now explain the Fourth Principle, which is The Acceptance of the Relation between Religion and Science.
There is no contradiction between true religion and science. When a religion is opposed to science it becomes mere superstition: that which is contrary to knowledge is ignorance.
How can a man believe to be a fact that which science has proved to be impossible? If he believes in spite of his reason, it is rather ignorant superstition than faith. The true principles of all religions are in conformity with the teachings of science.
reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/PT/pt-45.html
This sounds like something an Atheist would say.
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Why all knowledge is of God - Anything we can know is of God.‘Abdu’l-Bahá said:
I have spoken to you of some of the principles of Bahá’u’lláh: The Search after Truth and The Unity of Mankind. I will now explain the Fourth Principle, which is The Acceptance of the Relation between Religion and Science.
There is no contradiction between true religion and science. When a religion is opposed to science it becomes mere superstition: that which is contrary to knowledge is ignorance.
How can a man believe to be a fact that which science has proved to be impossible? If he believes in spite of his reason, it is rather ignorant superstition than faith. The true principles of all religions are in conformity with the teachings of science.
reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/PT/pt-45.html
This sounds like something an Atheist would say.
Stands to reason He has given a Spiritual Path and a Material path to Truth.
All creation is but a reflection of Gods Word - Join B & E and all that is possible is within but two letters.
We really are so dumb
Less than the black in the eye of a dead ant when compared to the full expanse of the Universe. Regards Tony
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By saying these words ‘Abdu’l-Bahá has cut his own infallible throat.Why all knowledge is of God - Anything we can know is of God.
Stands to reason He has given a Spiritual Path and a Material path to Truth.
All creation is but a reflection of Gods Word - Join B & E and all that is possible is within but two letters.
We really are so dumb
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I would see that it would be a person has not stepped up to this understanding. So I will paste it again and let time tell who had divinity inspired knowledge and who did not.
“How can a man believe to be a fact that which science has proved to be impossible? If he believes in spite of his reason, it is rather ignorant superstition than faith. The true principles of all religions are in conformity with the teachings of science”.
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Dear brother Vouthon,
Why would the Apostles eat and drink WITH the glorified, risen Jesus when this sort of activity (eating etc) is frowned upon by St.Thomas as he studied the Islamic concept of eating and drinking practices of Muslims in the afterlife?
Can you see my confusion dear brother?
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Tony,I would think everyone knows that science can’t prove that there is a God and the supernatural.Science will say that man can not walk on water, so going by Abdu’l-Bahá criteria this was just a ignorant superstition.
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Techno, please note the words “If he believes in spite of his reason…”
Please also place those words next to the belief that the Baha’i Faith does not deny the miracles of a Manifestation of God as a reality.
What is your conclusion from what I say here therefore?
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