Exploring Bahaism

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So Baha’u’llah is God? Just like Servant was implying Krishna was God in message # 673
The Twofold Station has been explained many times before.

We can call them all God and the view is not wrong as it is through them it is all that we can know of God

We can call them All Messengers of God and this is also not wrong.

The error is arguing about as then we are both wrong.

This is a massive subject by The way, many, many writings on how this is all so. The simple explanation above much amplified, but on phone.

Regards Tony
 
It was Baha’u’llah Himself Who endowed Abdul-Baha with authority and certitude. Whoso turns to Abdul-Baha, Baha’u’llah states here, has turned towards God. That is a clear bestowal of conferred certitude from Baha’u’llah.

There hath branched from the Sadratu’l-Muntahá this sacred and glorious Being, this Branch of Holiness; well is it with him that hath sought His shelter and abideth beneath His shadow. Verily the Limb of the Law of God hath sprung forth from this Root which God hath firmly implanted in the Ground of His Will, and Whose Branch hath been so uplifted as to encompass the whole of creation. Magnified be He, therefore, for this sublime, this blessed, this mighty, this exalted Handiwork!… A Word hath, as a token of Our grace, gone forth from the Most Great Tablet—a Word which God hath adorned with the ornament of His own Self, and made it sovereign over the earth and all that is therein, and a sign of His greatness and power among its people …Render thanks unto God, O people, for His appearance; for verily He is the most great Favor unto you, the most perfect bounty upon you; and through Him every mouldering bone is quickened. Whoso turneth towards Him hath turned towards God, and whoso turneth away from Him hath turned away from My beauty, hath repudiated My Proof, and transgressed against Me. He is the Trust of God amongst you, His charge within you, His manifestation unto you and His appearance among His favored servants… We have sent Him down in the form of a human temple. Blest and sanctified be God Who createth whatsoever He willeth through His inviolable, His infallible decree. They who deprive themselves of the shadow of the Branch, are lost in the wilderness of error, are consumed by the heat of worldly desires, and are of those who will assuredly perish.

Baha’u’llah - Tablet of the Branch cited in The Dispensation of Baha’u’llah, paragraph 78
Thanks for the reference. I understand your position that as a Baha’i you are required to accept the UHJ’s determination that Abdul-Baha was endowed with Divine Certitude. You could not be a member of the Baha’i Faith otherwise. And I might add here that Abdul-Baha was a great and very holy man who was essential in the formation of the Baha’i Faith.

However, I ask you to understand my position as well. As a Christian, and also as someone who believes in the edicts of Baha’u’llah, I believe in the correctness of the Gospels as written. Our Lord’s body vanished from inside of His sealed and guarded tomb. In this age of science and technology we even have proof that this event actually happened.
Therefore how would you expect me to sign off on the Baha’i postulation that Jesus’s body is buried in the earth? It is not buried anymore than the bodies of Enoch or Elijah are buried.

I did not notice the words “bestowal of divine certitude” in your quote, but I certainly can understand how someone could read that into it.
I previously noted various Prophets who made mistakes: Adam, Jonah, Moses, Muhammed, etc. (I would include St. Paul, but this is a Catholic site so I’m not allowed.)
Is Abdul-Baha greater than them?

I think at this point, WC, that we just have to agree to disagree and move on from there.
We are not going to change each other’s minds, so there is no point of dragging this out ad infinitum.

**Was ever any man found blameless in the presence of God,
or faultless in the presence of his Maker?
In His own servants, God puts no trust,
and even with His angels He has fault to find.

Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.**
 
Thanks for the reference. I understand your position that as a Baha’i you are required to accept the UHJ’s determination that Abdul-Baha was endowed with Divine Certitude. You could not be a member of the Baha’i Faith otherwise. And I might add here that Abdul-Baha was a great and very holy man who was essential in the formation of the Baha’i Faith.

However, I ask you to understand my position as well. As a Christian, and also as someone who believes in the edicts of Baha’u’llah, I believe in the correctness of the Gospels as written. Our Lord’s body vanished from inside of His sealed and guarded tomb. In this age of science and technology we even have proof that this event actually happened.
Therefore how would you expect me to sign off on the Baha’i postulation that Jesus’s body is buried in the earth? It is not buried anymore than the bodies of Enoch or Elijah are buried.

I did not notice the words “bestowal of divine certitude” in your quote, but I certainly can understand how someone could read that into it.
I previously noted various Prophets who made mistakes: Adam, Jonah, Moses, Muhammed, etc. (I would include St. Paul, but this is a Catholic site so I’m not allowed.)
Is Abdul-Baha greater than them?

I think at this point, WC, that we just have to agree to disagree and move on from there.
We are not going to change each other’s minds, so there is no point of dragging this out ad infinitum.

**Was ever any man found blameless in the presence of God,
or faultless in the presence of his Maker?
In His own servants, God puts no trust,
and even with His angels He has fault to find.

Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.**
Yes sure. Happy to leave it behind as we all,understand differently.
 
So during the time period of Buddha man only had the mental capacity to understand the teachings of Buddha is this correct ?
 
So during the time period of Buddha man only had the mental capacity to understand the teachings of Buddha is this correct ?
During the time of the Buddha, man IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD needed His teachings to eliminate polytheism.

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During the time of the Buddha, man IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD needed His teachings to eliminate polytheism.

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And so this Manifestation decided to eliminate polytheism but add reincarnation to this part of the world.:hmmm:
 
During the time of the Buddha, man IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD needed His teachings to eliminate polytheism.

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So the teaching of manifestations is limited geographically? What regions of the world is the bahai religion’s truth limited to?
 
And so this Manifestation decided to eliminate polytheism but add reincarnation to this part of the world.:hmmm:
Sometimes it feels like I am holding peoples hands in here and taking them to school, and I feel honoured that God has given me this avenue of service to Him 🙂
We need to loving guide them to university level after all…

I learnt to investigate truth on a computer using multiple google searches so I don’t post things that make me look, well, a little silly 🙂

The Buddha never taught reincarnation.
dharmafield.org/resources/texts/what-the-buddha-never-taught/

There are teachings that can be “interpreted” as reincarnation but it’s the incorrect interpretation according to many schools of Buddhism.

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And so this Manifestation decided to eliminate polytheism but add reincarnation to this part of the world.:hmmm:
Reincarnation was not an original teaching of the Buddha. It was added later like statue worship. Buddha said His teachings would die out to be replaced by a counterfeit Buddhism then another Buddha would come.

Interesting that Buddha uses the word counterfeit which means it looks exactly like the real thing but is not anymore.

suttacentral.net/en/sn16.13

accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn16/sn16.013.than.html
 
Sometimes it feels like I am holding peoples hands in here and taking them to school, and I feel honoured that God has given me this avenue of service to Him 🙂
We need to loving guide them to university level after all…

I learnt to investigate truth on a computer using multiple google searches so I don’t post things that make me look, well, a little silly 🙂

The Buddha never taught reincarnation.
dharmafield.org/resources/texts/what-the-buddha-never-taught/

There are teachings that can be “interpreted” as reincarnation but it’s the incorrect interpretation according to many schools of Buddhism.

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So Buddha didn’t believe in “past Lives” ??
 
Buddha taught things like this…
  1. He who holds back rising anger like a rolling chariot, him I call a real driver; other people are but holding the reins.
  2. Let a man overcome anger by love, let him overcome evil by good; let him overcome the greedy by liberality, the liar by truth!
5.** For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by love, this is an old rule.
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103. If one man conquer in battle a thousand times thousand men, and if another conquer himself, he is the greatest of conquerors.

These are more beautiful than words can say.
 
What are the canonical texts of the teachings of the Buddha to Bahai?
There is no mention of an official Buddhist Canon in the Baha’i Writings.

Abdul-Baha states:
“Buddha also established a new religion, and Confucius renewed morals and ancient virtues, but their institutions have been entirely destroyed.”

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Buddha taught things like this…
  1. He who holds back rising anger like a rolling chariot, him I call a real driver; other people are but holding the reins.
  2. Let a man overcome anger by love, let him overcome evil by good; let him overcome the greedy by liberality, the liar by truth!
5.** For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by love, this is an old rule.
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103. If one man conquer in battle a thousand times thousand men, and if another conquer himself, he is the greatest of conquerors.

These are more beautiful than words can say.
I’m not worry about his truth …I"m worry about his errors.
 
So Buddha didn’t believe in “past Lives” ??
No He never taught such things. Nor statue worship nor reincarnation. His followers do believe in these things that’s why He spoke of a counterfeit Buddhism arising and that a new Buddha would come and teach the truth again.

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And the Blessed One replied: “I am not the first Buddha who came upon earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time another Buddha will arise in the world, a Holy One, a supremely enlightened One, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a master of angels and mortals. He will reveal to you the same eternal truths which I have taught you. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at the climax, and glorious at the goal, in the spirit and in the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and pure; such as I now proclaim.”
 
There is no mention of an official Buddhist Canon in the Baha’i Writings.

Abdul-Baha states:
“Buddha also established a new religion, and Confucius renewed morals and ancient virtues, but their institutions have been entirely destroyed.”

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So Abdul-Baha has cancelled their Manifestation statis ?
 
So Abdul-Baha has cancelled their Manifestation statis ?
No. Only many of His original teachings have been lost. The further back humanity goes the less accurate records it has. Buddha taught about God but that has been lost.
 
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