Exploring the impact of Transgenderism on girls

[Anrakyr]

From my own observation, I thing ROGD in girls comes from the same root as cutting and anorexia.

Maybe but we are becoming aware of more and more birth defects that are incredibly hard to screen for with broad testing. Some people range from hormone imbalance to being born with both bits.

At the end of the day it’s best to have the person in question consult with their doctor. More importantly we should leave it between them, their medical help and God. It’s really not our place.

 

[DisorientingSneeze]

At the end of the day it’s best to have the person in question consult with their doctor. More importantly we should leave it between them, their medical help and God. It’s really not our place.

I agree we shouldn’t dismiss the possible medical aspects of this phenomenon, but if it were our young daughter, it would be our place.

 

[Anrakyr]

We arnt doctors and we don’t know what it’s like to be in her skin.

If your child thinks they broke a bone and screams in clear pain do you tell them to “walk it off” even as they limp about?

When someone is in pain in this case emotionally it behooves us to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

It’s really not our place.

No.

If this was your child, who had rocked along happily in their own skin, then all of a sudden said they were the opposite sex, you would just mindlessly just hand them over to these clinics? No questions asked? You wouldn’t be wondering “why now? What’s going on in their life?” You wouldn’t be wondering about the meta-questions of why there is a sudden and very dramatic uptick of this in the culture (and spare me the tired answer “because Mean Christians”)?

Our culture has seen psychiatric crises come and go. It’s a known phenomenon that conditions burst on the scene quickly and spread. Also, treatments come and go. Lobotomy used to be respected and supported (“look how they’re not suffering anymore! I guess you just like to see people suffer”)
When was the last time you heard of somebody in a fugue state? That used to be a thing.

We all have an absolute responsibility to learn and stay informed about conditions and treatments, especially when they may have permanent, tragic consequences.

We can’t excuse ourselves with a lame “between the patient and their doctor “.
(Come to think about it, that’s the line the pro legalized abortion proponents use…)

 

[DisorientingSneeze]

We arnt doctors and we don’t know what it’s like to be in her skin.

If your child thinks they broke a bone and screams in clear pain do you tell them to “walk it off” even as they limp about?

When someone is in pain in this case emotionally it behooves us to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I’m not sure we disagree unless you are saying that getting the person help absolutely has to be in the form of them transitioning if a doctor says so. The rise in number specifically of teenage girls who transition and then detransition seems to speak to something going on in the medical community that may not be the right course of action.

I will take this all with a grain of salt since I personally have no experience with this sort of doctor and have no desire to make doctors into either boogeymen or gods as internet culture is proned to do.

 

[Anrakyr]

No.

Yes?

If this was your child, who had rocked along happily in their own skin, then all of a sudden said they were the opposite sex, you would just mindlessly just hand them over to these clinics? No questions asked?

No one mentioned clinics or spontaneous sex change. I said take them to their doctor and give them the autonomy and support to make the right decision. No one said no questions or to not talk.

(and spare me the tired answer “because Mean Christians”)

You all can get quiet mean cause you spend more time looking for sin then looking with compassion. That’s another topic all together however.

When was the last time you heard of somebody in a fugue state? That used to be a thing.

It still is.

We all have an absolute responsibility to learn and stay informed about conditions and treatments, especially when they may have permanent, tragic consequences.

Just remembered whose consequences it actually is.

 

[DisorientingSneeze]

You all can get quiet mean cause you spend more time looking for sin then looking with compassion. That’s another topic all together however.

I’m sorry that has been your lived experience, and I don’t deny there are those who do, but I guarantee compassionate Christians exist. They just don’t stick out the way messy judgey ones do.

Edit: they stick out as loving and countercultural, but only if you’re looking.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

I said take them to their doctor and give them the autonomy and support to make the right decision.

Doctors don’t always make the right decisions (ie abortion), nor are they necessarily trained in psychiatric issues. And when you have an issue that is as politicized and weaponized as this one, a parent has to exercize extreme caution in finding a doctor who won’t make things worse.

 

[redbetta]

Tumblr is even hated by left-wing people as being a cesspool of SJW madness. This is the same site where SJWs bullied an artist into attempting suicide a few years ago because she made fan art of a cartoon character that was deemed too skinny and therefore “fatphobic.” People will use any excuse to bully anyone on there. Block this site on your devices. Tell your kids to avoid it like the cancer that it is.

As for the ideas on there, it is really hard to distinguish satire from genuinely held beliefs. A lot of people make Tumblr satire accounts. However, a kid might not know the difference.

 

[Zach]

You all can get quiet mean cause you spend more time looking for sin then looking with compassion. That’s another topic all together

Who is this “all” you are talking about? The essence of bigotry is lumping all people of a group in the same category. Perhaps some people who claim to be more tolerant than others are in reality less tolerant.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

It’s just yer basic strawman

 

[redbetta]

Joined 3 days ago. Already accusing other posters of lacking compassion for expressing sentiments in line with Catholic thought. Hmm.

 

[Anrakyr]

So is assuming a good doctor doesn’t get a psychiatric assessment done but let’s not split hairs.

Either way your knowledge of the process is lacking as is your charity in this conversation both proving my point.

“Strawman fallacy” or not.

Joined 3 days ago. Already accusing other posters of lacking compassion for expressing sentiments in line with Catholic thought. Hmm.

Is there a question in there or you just going to imply things to your favor and let it hang in the air for the masses to nod along too?

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

lacking as is your charity in this conversation both proving my point.

Fine.

Make your case.

 

[redbetta]

I just find that the language that you are using does not really sound like someone who has come here open to learning about Catholicism or any of the other purposes of this forum. In fact, it comes across as downright hostile or, dare I say, even trollish.

 

[Anrakyr]

My nephew had to go to a doctor, at the time a fine upstanding man Knight of Columbus. He was doubtful of the need to transition even though my nephew was born with both parts. Since it was easier to lob off a penis then undo a possibility functioning womb his parents opted for the prior.

A mental assessment had to be done, a specialist in a major city had to be called. This process took two years before they finally gave him testosterone.
It’s been three years and we haven’t even gotten to bottom surgery yet.

I’ll confirm over night radical trans every time. You are right it can be a fad but done properly it’s no simple task.

I just find that the language that you are using does not really sound like someone who has come here open to learning about Catholicism or any of the other purposes of this forum. In fact, it comes across as downright hostile or, dare I say, even trollish.

I’m not going to assume your age or social circles but assuming for a second they over lap with my devote mother I’m going to wager you haven’t seen real trolling yet.
That aside I’m autistic and therefore do not see the world the way you do. I’m painfully direct.

And no that’s not an excuse it’s a reason. You aren’t required to to talk to me, you don’t have to like me.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

Ambiguous genatalia is not the same as transgenderism.

 

[Anrakyr]

It is when you have to undo damage done at birth in a time people saw him as a mutant. He was functional female, darn near perfectly.

Either way anyone who transitions has to go through the same three year process. The complication comes from the younger the better. How do you balance wisdom with the age that makes the treatment easier?

 

[joyfulandactive]

You are describing a biological medical condition which is nothing to do with transgenderism. We need to be very careful and not get different issues confused.

Also this thread was about a particular phenomenon in young women and we need to be careful in conflating very different life experiences as falling under the same category. It would be helpful if you could discuss the original post and your thoughts on it as we would always be interested in your point of view.

 

[Zach]

I can’t believe this thread hasn’t been shut down yet. Also why is it under the Catholic Living category? I can’t see what it has to do with Catholic Living.