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joyfulandactive
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Why should it be shut down? This is a very important issue that is directly affecting thousands of young women and their families, including Catholics. Why is that not part of Catholic family life?
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Anrakyr
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The story was to outline the process not derail the topic. It was presented to add context to the discussion and my original point have some compassion and understanding as well as trust your doctor.
Some people feel non Catholic or former Catholics weighing in is non beneficial?
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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A mutant???
Once upon a time that was the standard, although it didn’t carry the force of law, and people found ways around it.
And no, it’s ridiculously easy to get hormones now.
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redbetta
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ANYWAY, back to the topic at hand:
I saw this story being circulated earlier this year or late last year. There seems to be a correlation became rapid-onset gender dysphoria and being on the spectrum:
www.dailymail.co.uk
This can also explain the trend with young girls considering having trouble picking up on social cues would be a lot more devastating to a girl’s ability to fit in with other girls than boys with boys.
I saw this story being circulated earlier this year or late last year. There seems to be a correlation became rapid-onset gender dysphoria and being on the spectrum:
Whistleblower teacher makes shocking claim that 'most are autistic'
The Mail on Sunday can reveal that 17 pupils at a single British school are in the process of changing gender. According to a whistleblower most of the youngsters have autism.
This can also explain the trend with young girls considering having trouble picking up on social cues would be a lot more devastating to a girl’s ability to fit in with other girls than boys with boys.
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Anrakyr
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I find that offensive.
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redbetta
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Data and other people’s experiences do not care about your feelings. Also, being subjectively deemed “offensive” does not invalidate a theory. Only data invalidates theories.
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Anrakyr
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Most of the time I’d agree but we are talking about a topic that requires the feelings of the person to transition.
Also it’s not like that to be autistic at all. I don’t feel like I’m not fitting because I’m not like you. I feel like I’m living in another culture I haven’t grasped. And people talk to loud.
Correlational doesn’t equal causation.
Also it’s not like that to be autistic at all. I don’t feel like I’m not fitting because I’m not like you. I feel like I’m living in another culture I haven’t grasped. And people talk to loud.
Correlational doesn’t equal causation.
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DisorientingSneeze
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While it might explain it, I don’t think that’s what is going on.
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Zach
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I guess I’m old and out of touch then. I never heard of this affecting Catholics or anyone until say the last few years. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. The more people agitate and promote it, the more young impressionable people will think they are transgendered.
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I have to leave and get my day going. I would just like to say that women’s concerns about this topic are constantly being shut down, we are often not allowed to debate and discuss. I don’t believe I have said anything offensive and this is a very important issue because children and young people are making permanent changes to their bodies.
If you want this conversation shut down please explain why. If individual posts offend you, you can report them, otherwise this is as Catholic as any other issue and we have a right to discuss it in a Catholic context.
Thank you, May God bless everyone on this thread and reading it today. I will pray for everyone and your intentions at morning Mass.
If you want this conversation shut down please explain why. If individual posts offend you, you can report them, otherwise this is as Catholic as any other issue and we have a right to discuss it in a Catholic context.
Thank you, May God bless everyone on this thread and reading it today. I will pray for everyone and your intentions at morning Mass.
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joyfulandactive
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Please look at the young women’s blog above and their videos, one said she attended Catholic school.
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Zach
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FWIW plenty of people here, men or women, are shut down including being suspended because someone didn’t like what they said. So it has nothing to do with women.
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redbetta
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I don’t want this thread shut down. I was replying to another poster who was being hostile and off-topic. I am trying to participate.
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joyfulandactive
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But Zach that makes sense if it breaks forum rules. What is wrong with this discussion? And I am talking about out in the Real World, women are being verbally abused and shut down for wanting to discuss our concerns.
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Zach
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I personally never flagged anyone. I’m just saying I would have thought someone would have flagged it. And flags easily lead to thread shut downs and suspensions.
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Good article.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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It’s not unusual for young women to feel a great deal of pressure in their growing up years. Because they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
Have sex and you’re a slut. Don’t have sexual and you’re a prude. Enjoy traditional gender roles and you’re repressed and in denial. Be a tomboy and then you’re held up to ridiculous high standards of beauty.
There’s a pressure on pre pubescent kids about dating (look how many children’s slice-of-life cartoons feature a love interest. For a seven or eight year old character!). At an age where they should be focusing on homo-social bonding.
Furthermore, a lot of kids are being raised by the internet. A lot of kids have smartphones in fourth grade and younger!
Critical thinking and logic are not taught in schools. For that matter, history and the classics aren’t taught in schools, so a kid looks around their chaotic world with no sense of how we got here.
I’ll stop here. But it’s not surprising that so many kids are going off the rails in so many ways. The gender bending is the most noisy and dramatic, but there are tons of kids who are amazingly inept and struggling in other ways
Have sex and you’re a slut. Don’t have sexual and you’re a prude. Enjoy traditional gender roles and you’re repressed and in denial. Be a tomboy and then you’re held up to ridiculous high standards of beauty.
There’s a pressure on pre pubescent kids about dating (look how many children’s slice-of-life cartoons feature a love interest. For a seven or eight year old character!). At an age where they should be focusing on homo-social bonding.
Furthermore, a lot of kids are being raised by the internet. A lot of kids have smartphones in fourth grade and younger!
Critical thinking and logic are not taught in schools. For that matter, history and the classics aren’t taught in schools, so a kid looks around their chaotic world with no sense of how we got here.
I’ll stop here. But it’s not surprising that so many kids are going off the rails in so many ways. The gender bending is the most noisy and dramatic, but there are tons of kids who are amazingly inept and struggling in other ways
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redbetta
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Nowadays, if you are a tomboy or sufficiently “girly,” people tend to assume you are a lesbian or trans. So, there is that pressure too.
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redbetta
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Of course, I’m not saying all or even most of these girls are on the spectrum. Thought, I would not be surprised if a disproportionate amount of them were.
Either way, it’s a social contagion.
Either way, it’s a social contagion.
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Beryllos
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@Zach, your point of view is not far from that of @joyfulandactive, the Original Poster of this thread. As you wrote above, it is a recent trend (not transgenderism in general, but the recent surge among teenagers), and agitation and promotion are key factors. To that, joyfulandactive has added the frighteningly powerful role of social media.
I don’t think our discussion of it in this Catholic forum contributes to the self-fulfilling prophecy. It is a human tragedy that Catholics should discuss and endeavor with charity to counteract.
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