"Extra ecclesiam" vs. Holy Spirit present in other churches?

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The Church, the body of God’s ppl is divided, just
like ancient Israel was divided 12 tribes of Ephraim
and 2 tribes of Judah, BUT they were still ALL God’s
ppl descended from Abraham and heirs according
to the Promise(Gen. 12) We Catholics have the TRUE
worship w/ the Sacraments and Liturgy, Nevertheless
God has NOT left his ppl w/o shepherds, pastors,
prophets, evangelists and preachers to build up the
body of Christ until we ALL reach the measure of the
fullness of Christ.(Eph. 4:13) @LuciusMaximus
 
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By that logic it is easier to get to heaven outside the church than in it.
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Yet it is the law and teaching of the Church. It’s actually not easier, though, because we have the sacraments and the method outlined by Christ, whereas others are following something other than what we were commanded.

It’s like trying to cross the Atlantic Ocean — Catholics were given a jet; everyone else is trying to row a boat.
 
Also, we who have the Magisterium will be MORE ACCOUNTABLE
than those outside the Church!! “to whom much is given, MUCH
MORE will be expected” Luk 12:48
 
I was raised Pentecostal, left for UMC when dating my wife (when we were in high school).
In any case, my mother and most of my maternal relatives are Pentecostal with the exception of myself and very few others who are something I don’t understand at all…

in any case, have you ever paused to consider Church history? There has been a Roman Catholic Church for eons, since the Ascension more or less. And how long have the Protestant churches existed? But where did the Protestant churches start? They split from the One True Church. Well they sure couldn’t do that without take part of Her with them.
And The Roman Church certainly believes that there can be salvation outside the Church, but that those are our “separated brethren” whom we wish to come “home to Rome.” I am unable at present to cite the references in the Catechism, but I have read plenty that indicate to me that what i just said is the layman’s Cliff’s Notes version of the Teaching, AKA my paraphrased summary.

After being a Catholic for 5 years, even with my background, my mother just a few weeks ago said to me, " I know you don’t believe in speaking in tongues…" Wait right there Mom! Had to educate my mama a little. What I do not believe is in the gift of tongues being used or displayed as it was in the Church I grew up in, or as she may well do at any given second when praying for someone.

But back to your OP, clearly no man or institution limits where the Holy Spirit goes or works, as The Spirit is the 3rd Person on the Holy Trinity. So if the Spirit works in JJ’s Local Church, then that’s that. God does as He will.

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Best wishes & blessings,
 
Thanks for the response! Could you elaborate more on the speaking in tongues part? I have read what Paul wrote on it and mostly understand what he meant. This happens all of the time at my Pentecostal church and I never know what to make of it. For example, the pastor will do it when there’s a lull in the singing (no interpretation) and sometimes after the music is done, someone in the congregation will speak in tongues and another person will “interpret”, almost always quoting a Bible verse. It’s almost never a newfound revelation that’s not already found somewhere in the Bible verbatim, although I have seen that occurr in another Pentecostal church.

Also, what were some of your reasons for converting?
 
I would like to send that quote to all the sedevacantists and nearly sedevacantists who say VII changed EENS.

Here is a counter-argument coming from their so beloved Pius X himself.
 
I was very blessed I experienced the Holy Spirit before I was baptised. He led me to faith in Christ, adult baptism (well almost I was 16) and then to the Catholic Church two years ago. So I would say that he reaches people where he can, including the lost sheep outside of any church as I am here to testify
 
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K, on tongues, what I saw was almost never Biblical (see 1 Cor 14). There’d be a congregant or several, maybe a pastor, start “speaking” some strange words outta nowhere, often interrupting and therefore out of order since it did not edify, per St Paul’s instructions in the NT, again 1 Cor. Then, the Scripture limits “messages” to 2, no more than 3, with interpretations required. That may or may not have happened, rarely made any sense, but the pastor + his inner circle of financial supporters behaved as if they had understood. Very odd and cultish looking back at it.

That said, I left the Pentecostal realm at age 17 and joined the United Methodist Church about age 22. Both our kids were baptized UMC.
During our last 5 years with them, I explored the candidacy for ordained .ministry and almost completed the first lay ministry academy but medical problems prevented - thank God I was never ordained as either sort of minister since actually, it doesnt fit and I shoulda known better. I’d have been fine if it was a drill sergeant position…

Finally, after about 25 yrs for me, 30+ for my wife who was baptized there at age 3, we became unhappy with the local church after a merger with another one caused huge changes with which we didnt agree.
After going to a service at a Baptist church 1 Sunday, and a big fail on that, I told my wife who has a long line of Irish Cathic family up to her grandma, I wanted to beco.e Catholic.

As for reasons, theres the Authority of the church to handle things like the disputes over the meaning of Scripture like I’d witnessed, the 2000 year history that makes it the guaranteed most true to the original, and a wonderful RCIA class where every question I came up with was answered to my satisfaction.

Hope this helps.
 
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