Extraordinary Minister Holy Communion Question

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Would it really take that long? Brendan gave an example that even with 700 faithful, it would not be such a herculean feat.
Annabelle’s objection to this was that her parish does not have room for communion rails. But, as has been pointed out, that would be immaterial. The faithful could simply stand at a designated area at the foot of the Sanctuary and have the priest offer in that way.
 
Evidently, this is not the opinon of the Holy See, as even the Prefect emeritus, Francis Cardinal Arinze, has recommended it several times. In fact, when I spoke to the CDWDS about this matter back in December, they, too recommended intinction. Apparently, they don’t have a disregard or degrading opinion of what is a perfectly legitimate practice.
Please Benedictal, The Holy See has not dictated that incintion is the only method to distribute the preciouos body and blood. The Good Cardinal is one voice and one of the conservative voices to which I spoke. I’m certain there are those who agree with him, but at the same time many who disagree.
The Practice of having a seperate cup is perfectly acceptable as is the use of EMHC.
I gave you the opinion of one preist who does not prefer the practice of the intiction. The Holy See has also said the recieving from the cup is also a perfectly legitamte practice.
 
Please Benedictal, The Holy See has not dictated that incintion is the only method to distribute the preciouos body and blood. The Good Cardinal is one voice and one of the conservative voices to which I spoke. I’m certain there are those who agree with him, but at the same time many who disagree.
The Practice of having a seperate cup is perfectly acceptable as is the use of EMHC.
I gave you the opinion of one preist who does not prefer the practice of the intiction. The Holy See has also said the recieving from the cup is also a perfectly legitamte practice.
However, the fact that opinion you reported seems to denigrate the mode of intinction is cause for concern.

FAB, with all due respect, you are the one making this a liberal vs. conservative issue. For me, it is more along the lines of options that the Church grants the faithful. Furthermore, receiving Holy Communion under both kinds is an option, not a requirement. While it may constitute a fuller sign, Christ is entirely present in either species.

Intinction removes the need for having EMHCs while still giving the faithful the option of receiving Holy Communion under both kinds.
 
I don’t see how this would eliminate the need for EMHC’s in our parish. There is only one priest and three Masses on Sunday. We would have Masses backing up into each other.
The idea that the use of intiction would eliminate the need for EMHC is a staw dog argument. For large parishes there would still not be enough priest and deacons.
I would propose that it if intiction were mandated it would actually double the need for EMHC. Parishes who have mulitple chalics are not going to buy multiple intiction sets. THe practice would required on EMHC to hold the chalice so the other EMHC can hold the ceborium and distribute the precious body and blood.
 
The idea that the use of intiction would eliminate the need foe EMHC is a staw dog argument. For large parishes there would still not be enough priest and deacons.
I would propose that it if intiction were mandated it would actually double the need for EMHC. Parishes who have mulitple chalics are not going to buy multiple intiction sets. THe practice would required on EMHC to hold the chalice so the other EMHC can hold the ceborium and distribute the precious body and blood.
EMHCs do not intinct. Only the bishop/priest can distribute Holy Communion via intinction. There are also intinction sets. Furthermore, EMHCs would simply holding the chalice and not distributing the Precious Blood, per se. Incidentally, the guidelines do not even specifically state that an EMHC would be the one to hold the chalice. It says minister, but, that could be an instituted alcolyte. In any case, be it an EMHC or an instituted alcolyte, they would not be the ones performing the act of intinction.
 
However, the fact that opinion you reported seems to denigrate the mode of intinction is cause for concern.
Maybe, but since this priest felt this way, it only logical to believe many believe this way, which can lead to a general denigation of peoples view of the Eucharist, this is also a concern.
FAB, with all due respect, you are the one making this a liberal vs. conservative issue. For me, it is more along the lines of options that the Church grants the faithful. Furthermore, receiving Holy Communion under both kinds is an option, not a requirement. While it may constitute a fuller sign, Christ is entirely present in either species.
It is an option, but there is a but I there are very good reasons why the Holy Sea felt that this fuller sign should be allowed and done. When you want to eliminate the practice, you are then ingoring those teachings.

There is also a problem of taking back a practice that has been granted. How do you twist the theology to one day say it is acceptable then the next day not.
Intinction removes the need for having EMHCs while still giving the faithful the option of receiving Holy Communion under both kinds.
I doublt it would, see may other post.
 
EMHCs do not intinct. Only the bishop/priest can distribute Holy Communion via intinction. There are also intinction sets. Furthermore, EMHCs would simply holding the chalice and not distributing the Precious Blood, per se. Incidentally, the guidelines do not even specifically state that an EMHC would be the one to hold the chalice. It says minister, but, that could be an instituted alcolyte. In any case, be it an EMHC or an instituted alcolyte, they would not be the ones performing the act of intinction.
Then you haven’t elimnated the need. I would have to check, but I do believe alcolytes are able to intinct, I trust that EMHC cannot, since we don’t use the practice, I havn’t read it recently, but Deacons are ordinary ministers and you left them out, they can also intinct.
 
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FAB:
Please Benedictal, The Holy See has not dictated that intinction is the only method to distribute the preciouos body and blood. The Good Cardinal is one voice and one of the conservative voices to which I spoke. I’m certain there are those who agree with him, but at the same time many who disagree.

The Practice of having a separate cup is perfectly acceptable as is the use of EMHC.
I gave you the opinion of one priest who does not prefer the practice of the intinction. The Holy See has also said the recieving from the cup is also a perfectly legitimate practice.
While I agree with you Fab, unfortunately, you will never have the last word in this thread, no matter how often you repeat these valid points.

What some fail to realize is that nobody can knock on the rectory door and tell the priest they prefer to receive in that manner, and suggest he eliminate the EMHC’s. He is under the directives of the local bishop, and I believe he has a personal choice in the matter that is independent of parishioners’ desires. So why are we debating this, as if the laity’s opinion is law and capable of overriding that of the priest?

Besides, it is really off topic from the OP.
 
Then you haven’t elimnated the need. I would have to check, but I do believe alcolytes are able to intinct, I trust that EMHC cannot, since we don’t use the practice, I havn’t read it recently, but Deacons are ordinary ministers and you left them out, they can also intinct.
Deacons and alcolytes do not intinct. I have checked this wtih the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. In the citations that they gave me, including the norms for the United States, only the priest is mentioned. In the Latin version of the GIRM and Redemptionis Sacramentum, the word “sacredos” is used. The CDWDS was very specific that this was only for the celebrant to do, not anyone else.
 
While I agree with you Fab, unfortunately, you will never have the last word in this thread, no matter how often you repeat these valid points.

What some fail to realize is that nobody can knock on the rectory door and tell the priest they prefer to receive in that manner, and suggest he eliminate the EMHC’s. He is under the directives of the local bishop, and I believe he has a personal choice in the matter that is independent of parishioners’ desires. So why are we debating this, as if our opinion is law and capable of overriding that of the priest?
The problem with the logic that both you and FAB have displayed is that while the bishop has the initial word, he does not act independently of the documents. He acts within the documents.

No one is arguing that receiving via chalices is invalid. However, intinction is a viable form, as well, even if some choose to use wording that denigrates this practice. Furthermore, it is not a requirement that Holy Communion under both species be administered. In fact, the documents stipulate that if the number of communicants is too great or if there is a risk of profanation, then the Precious Blood is not offered.

This is not so much off-the-topic as one might think. The OP has raised some valid concerns as to why he or she does not want to become an EMHC. Over-usage is one matter, and that, is a problem. The manner in which this particular ministry is carried out is cause for concern. That is the point, I believe, that the OP is trying to raise.

What neither of you seem to want to admit is the fact that EMHCs are overused. That is a problem. The extraordinary has, sadly, become the ordinary.
 
You have just described the average Sunday Mass at my parish. about 700 people, 1 priest and intinction, no EMHC’s

It takes about 10-12 min.

But we also use the communion rail too. You don’t have to kneel ( though most do), you can stand at the rail, but it’s a LOT more efficent than communion lines,
10-12 minutes wow enough time to play good meditativ sacred music and use it to pray and meditate on Christ, if that so bad? Good for your priest, I wish I could attend that mass.
 
It might be a good idea. The Eastern Orthodox have all the right in the world to use the rite they wish. They also have married priest, perhaps we should swap.
You never stop to amaze me:rolleyes:
 
However, the fact that opinion you reported seems to denigrate the mode of intinction is cause for concern.

FAB, with all due respect, you are the one making this a liberal vs. conservative issue. For me, it is more along the lines of options that the Church grants the faithful. Furthermore, receiving Holy Communion under both kinds is an option, not a requirement. While it may constitute a fuller sign, Christ is entirely present in either species.

Intinction removes the need for having EMHCs while still giving the faithful the option of receiving Holy Communion under both kinds.
He has always made the argument of liberal vs conservative and calls himself liberal, but as yet to define what liberal catholic is 🤷
 
What neither of you seem to want to admit is the fact that EMHCs are overused.
That is purely your observation and personal opinion, based on your dislike for the practice. The recommendation in the rubrics, using only three stations at a well attended mass, calls for the use of eight EMHC’s - the Bishops’ stated directive.

If your preference is to have only the priest, that is your business, but it is disingenuous to infer that the bishops are in the wrong for specifically directing the use of two per station to administer the chalice, plus one for the sacred host. You must remember that they have a recognito!
 
That is purely your observation and personal opinion, based on your dislike for the practice. The recommendation in the rubrics, using only three stations at a well attended mass, calls for the use of eight EMHC’s - the Bishops’ stated directive.

If your preference is to have only the priest, that is your business, but it is disingenuous to infer that the bishops are in the wrong for specifically directing the use of two per station to administer the chalice, plus one for the sacred host. You must remember that they have a recognito!
Sirach, please do not type words into my posts. It is rather disingenous for you to make the assumptions based on what I have written. All that I am saying is that we do not have to have Holy Communion under both species and that intinction is also a legitimate option.
 
While I agree with you Fab, unfortunately, you will never have the last word in this thread, no matter how often you repeat these valid points.
Has anyone on this thread actually said that intinction is the only valid method for the distribution of both species?

Or that the use of the chalice or EMHC’s are not a valid option, when used under the criteria set forth by Rome?

So what valid points did FAB propose that anyone here objects to?

What we are objecting to is the folks like FAB post derogitory comments about what Rome as said is a legitimate method of distribtion?

Really, has Benedictgal or myself ever referred to EMHC’s using similar derogotory terms *( such as 'cup jockeys :eek: ')? That would be a similar derogatory comment over what is (likewise) a legitmate option. Imagine how FAB would slam us if we used such language.

FAB also used, as a justification, that Rome was somehow out of touch.

Do you consider the use of derogotory language or such rejection of Rome’s declarations as also being valid points?
 
If anything, this discussion proves how contentious offering the Precious Blood can become to the laity. Jesus Christ is fully present in the consecrated host. There is no need nor no fuller graces by receiving the cup. If the cup is not offered then the need for EMHCs drops. My parish does not offer the cup and I hope no one here is going to tell me we are not receiving as much grace as they are with the cup too. To the EMHCs in this discussion, if you search your heart, can you honestly say you are not emotionally attached to this duty? To truly serve means willing to give up at anytime.
 
Brendan, I have not read many previous posts, so I am only addressing the material that was in my quote. In addition, I was answering B’gal’s assertion that EMHC’s are overused. According the the directives in the USCCB document I posted, this is not true. That is ALL that I responded to.
 
I used to attend a weekday Mass that has maybe twenty people. We only received the Body of Christ, yet had an EMHC. By the guidelines the EMHC is not necessary thus should not be used.
 
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