Extraordinary Minister Holy Communion Question

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If anything, this discussion proves how contentious offering the Precious Blood can become to the laity. Jesus Christ is fully present in the consecrated host. There is no need nor no fuller graces by receiving the cup. If the cup is not offered then the need for EMHCs drops. My parish does not offer the cup and I hope no one here is going to tell me we are not receiving as much grace as they are with the cup too. To the EMHCs in this discussion, if you search your heart, can you honestly say you are not emotionally attached to this duty? To truly serve means willing to give up at anytime.
I am quite content to not be serving as an EMHC anymore. Initially, it was a difficult decision to make, but, in the end, I am no better a person or more faithful a Catholic simply because I served as one. Active participation does not mean that one has to be doing everything every time.
 
You may find this article helpful. I only copied the first couple paragraphs, and encourage everyone to read the rest.

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Extraordinary Eucharistic ministers
By Insight Staff
Issue: June 2003

Rome - In a statement of September 9, 2002, Pope John Paul II addressed the bishops of Brazil on the “serious abuses” stemming from the erroneous trend to “clericalize the laity.” Included in a list of examples of these abuses was distribution of Communion by the laity. While other items in the list such as homilies given by lay people and indiscriminate and common recitation of the Eucharistic prayer did not seem out of order for the Pope to take issue with, the practice of lay people distributing Communion has become so commonplace that its presence as an abuse seems startling.

However unsettling the statement may be, it should not be too surprising. Over the last several years Rome has stressed over and over again that the role of laity in distributing Communion is to be an exception to the rule that bishops, priests, and deacons are the ordinary ministers.

In fact, Immensae Caritatis, the original 1973 document from the Vatican laying out the permission for such extraordinary ministers, spelled out that they should only be used “because of a great crowd of people or some disability of the celebrant.”

catholicinsight.com/online/church/liturgy/article_470.shtml
 
To the EMHCs in this discussion, if you search your heart, can you honestly say you are not emotionally attached to this duty? To truly serve means willing to give up at anytime.
More assumptions? I don’t think the respondents in this thread are all EMHC’s. I do not serve in that ministry, by choice. For those who do serve, and as has been mentioned in other threads on this topic, they are usually scheduled in advance and arrive to fulfill their obligation. Does the pastor tell them to sit it out? How many would continue to keep their scheduled time, if there were many occasions where they were asked not to assist?

I go to daily mass where there are about 20 communicants. Yes, there is an EMHC ministering the chalice - perfectly lawful, even for only 20. Father cannot do both, and if he opts NOT to use intinction but chooses to comply with the fuller sign of the chalice, he is not to be critiqued by the laity who prefer another method of reception.
 
Brendan, I have not read many previous posts, so I am only addressing the material that was in my quote. In addition, I was answering B’gal’s assertion that EMHC’s are overused. According the the directives in the USCCB document I posted, this is not true. That is ALL that I responded to.
The USCCB’s document had several IF’s,

First of all, the document places no requirement that the species of wine be offered at all, let alone via the chalice, so when you state

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The recommendation in the rubrics, using only three stations at a well attended mass, calls for the use of eight EMHC’s - the Bishops’ stated directive.
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3 stations could be manned by 3 ministers. THe document makes no requirements that the chalics be offered at all.
  1. When Holy Communion is to be distributed under both species, careful planning should be undertaken so that:
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a suitable number of ministers of Holy Communion are provided at each Mass. For Communion from the chalice, it is desirable that there be generally two ministers of the Precious Blood for each minister of the Body of Christ, lest the liturgical celebration be unduly prolonged.
Note that there is no requirement at all for the additional EMHC’s

And, I would also point out, that Redemptonis Sacramentum, being a 2004 document, superceeds the USCCB Norms of Distribution (2001)

So it then becomes the obligation of these Norms to conform to the Vatican’s requirement that EMHC’s be used only in cases of 'True Necessity". (RS 151)

Here is the relavant text.
[151.] Only out of true necessity is there to be recourse to the assistance of extraordinary ministers in the celebration of the Liturgy. Such recourse is not intended for the sake of a fuller participation of the laity but rather, by its very nature, is supplementary and provisional.[252] Furthermore, when recourse is had out of necessity to the functions of extraordinary ministers, special urgent prayers of intercession should be multiplied that the Lord may soon send a Priest for the service of the community and raise up an abundance of vocations to sacred Orders.[253]
I would like to hear your opinion on what circumstances would you classify and action to be a ‘true necessity’
 
Deacons and alcolytes do not intinct. I have checked this wtih the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. In the citations that they gave me, including the norms for the United States, only the priest is mentioned. In the Latin version of the GIRM and Redemptionis Sacramentum, the word “sacredos” is used. The CDWDS was very specific that this was only for the celebrant to do, not anyone else.
I looked at the documents and even though the documents say priest, The Deacon is an ordinary minister and has that facility. the documents also say that the deacon is to distribute the cup, but once again as an ordinary minister he has full facilities to distribute the preciouos body. Under the same section it says that the EMHC cannot self communicate, this leads one to infer that they would be allowed intinct.

The same document indicates that the local ordinary is to set the norms for his diocese. In this case Rome is not the final word.
 
Perhaps it would be beneficial to take a step back and try as much as possible to remove any emotional attachment to this discussion. Consider this for a moment. Since the creation of the EMHC in 1973 there has been at least two major decrees from the Vatican regarding their over-use. How anyone can argue EMHCs are not overused when the Vatican says they are is truly sad. I implore everyone to ask themselves if the sin of pride is effecting their judgement, and to respect and obey God’s representative on Earth.
 
If anything, this discussion proves how contentious offering the Precious Blood can become to the laity. Jesus Christ is fully present in the consecrated host. There is no need nor no fuller graces by receiving the cup. If the cup is not offered then the need for EMHCs drops. My parish does not offer the cup and I hope no one here is going to tell me we are not receiving as much grace as they are with the cup too. To the EMHCs in this discussion, if you search your heart, can you honestly say you are not emotionally attached to this duty? To truly serve means willing to give up at anytime.
It is only contentiouos on tradition blogs. the vast majority of the laity never gives it a second thought. These discussions often become similar to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Since the topic keeps going back to that the vatcian indicated a concern about the overuse of EMHC. There concern is that the line between to Ordinary and the Extraodinary may be blurred. I share this concern. Better catichisis would be a much better way to address the issue. I always explain to my EMHC that an ordinary minister is always the preferance to distrute. If a deacon or extra preist shows up at mass, they are to step aside. I’ve never had a problem.
It is aslo up the the local ordinary and by extention the pastor to determine what overuse means. the definition will vary, as the how long is to long for communion.

If you are an EMHC it is a honor and privalage to do so. Your worry is not if it is necessary or overused, that is up to your ordinary and priest to decide.
 
Brendan, I’m the one who posted the link to the document, remember? Is there any doubt in your mind that I don’t understand the points you raise; i.e., that distribution of the precious Blood is not a requirement, but a choice? Of course, I understand --but for those priests/bishops who CHOOSE to use the fuller sign as recommended in the theology of the document, they are not remiss in using the specified number of EMHC’s when their choice is to distribute both species.

Unless I hear from my diocese that the recognito formally given to the USCCB has been withdrawn by Rome, I will follow what my pastor and bishop allow, despite the fact that RS is a later document. I’m not aware that RS overrides the recognito, but may be addressing situations in other countries where there is less compliance.

This subject is a never-ending war zone in LS, and every time it comes up, these same arguments are rehashed without resolution. The bottom line is - none of us will err in following the directives of the USCCB document that flows from our diocesan bishop down to our pastors. We are not in control and do not make the choice. The only choice we have is whether or not we wish to receive both. It should never cause so much dissension as I witness in these threads, that seems to pit the “law” against the “theology” and plants a shameful distrust of the clergy in the mind of the reader.
 
It is only contentiouos on tradition blogs. the vast majority of the laity never gives it a second thought. These discussions often become similar to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Since the topic keeps going back to that the vatcian indicated a concern about the overuse of EMHC. There concern is that the line between to Ordinary and the Extraodinary may be blurred. I share this concern. Better catichisis would be a much better way to address the issue. I always explain to my EMHC that an ordinary minister is always the preferance to distrute. If a deacon or extra preist shows up at mass, they are to step aside. I’ve never had a problem.
It is aslo up the the local ordinary and by extention the pastor to determine what overuse means. the definition will vary, as the how long is to long for communion.

If you are an EMHC it is a honor and privalage to do so. Your worry is not if it is necessary or overused, that is up to your ordinary and priest to decide.
:clapping::clapping::amen:
 
Annabelle’s objection to this was that her parish does not have room for communion rails. But, as has been pointed out, that would be immaterial. The faithful could simply stand at a designated area at the foot of the Sanctuary and have the priest offer in that way.
To both Benedictgal and Brendan…

Yes it would…you do not know the size of every parish and church. We are already scrounched in there together. If someone wants to kneel for communion then they are libal to take out the person behind them. You would not be able to fit everyone in a common area…so…1st station…everyone come up…Fr distributes to everyone…next wave, and so one… There is no way that could be done in 10-12 minutes. As obviously our priest knows. So unless you know more then him…
 
. As obviously our priest knows. So unless you know more then him…
Very true. If you go back a few pages you’ll see a letter a priest wrote to his parishioners saying that as he can distribute Holy Communion to a full church in eight minutes, he concluded EMHCs by the letter of the law were unnecessary and as such not to be used. A couple other people here basically disagreed insisting EMHCs are always necessary. If everyone took your advice to respect the judgement of our pastor and of course the head of the Church there wouldn’t be anything more to talk about.
 
I looked at the documents and even though the documents say priest, The Deacon is an ordinary minister and has that facility. the documents also say that the deacon is to distribute the cup, but once again as an ordinary minister he has full facilities to distribute the preciouos body. Under the same section it says that the EMHC cannot self communicate, this leads one to infer that they would be allowed intinct.

The same document indicates that the local ordinary is to set the norms for his diocese. In this case Rome is not the final word.
With all due respect, your interpretation is incorrect as it runs contrary to what the CDWDS said. It also runs contrary to the documents. The deacon can administer either species, but, not both via intinction. This mode is only for the celebrant and concelebrants. As for the bishop, it does fall to him as to whether or not he mandates communion under both kinds, but he does not have the authority to allow change who can do what. The Holy See has supreme authority, something which you tend to, with l due respect, selectively discount.

Evidently, you seem to not give any validity to the CDWDS. They act in and with the authority of the Holy Father.
 
[103.] The norms of the Roman Missal admit the principle that in cases where Communion is administered under both kinds, “the Blood of the Lord may be received either by drinking from the chalice directly, or by intinction, or by means of a tube or a spoon”.[191] As regards the administering of Communion to lay members of Christ’s faithful, the Bishops may exclude Communion with the tube or the spoon where this is not the local custom, though the option of administering Communion by intinction always remains. If this modality is employed, however, hosts should be used which are neither too thin nor too small, and the communicant should receive the Sacrament** from the Priest only on the tongue**.[192]
I can understand how some could read this putting the emphasis, **only on the tongue. **However, it comes across to me that the emphasis is both from the Priest and on the tongue.
 
How would that happen exactly? Are you saying that if I knelt to receive our Lord you would fall all over me?
I’m saying that when you went to kneel…you are liable to kick the guy behind you if you are not careful. I’ve never seen anyone (at my home parish) receive kneeling. But if you geneflect…you have to be super careful not to kick the person behind you…space is at a premium.
 
Very true. If you go back a few pages you’ll see a letter a priest wrote to his parishioners saying that as he can distribute Holy Communion to a full church in eight minutes, he concluded EMHCs by the letter of the law were unnecessary and as such not to be used. A couple other people here basically disagreed insisting EMHCs are always necessary. If everyone took your advice to respect the judgement of our pastor and of course the head of the Church there wouldn’t be anything more to talk about.
I agree…if a priests thinks he can distribute Holy Communion and doesn’t want to use EMHC’s that is well within his right. It is his duty to determine when they are needed and when they are not. But I would caution that just because one’s priest determines not to use them, it does not mean that someone else’s priest is wrong in using them. There are lots of factors at play here and it’s best for us laity not to play armchair quarterback (if you know what I mean).
 
But I would caution that just because one’s priest determines not to use them, it does not mean that someone else’s priest is wrong in using them. There are lots of factors at play here and it’s best for us laity not to play armchair quarterback (if you know what I mean).
No one said just because one priest can distribute Holy Communion without EMHCs that anyone else is wrong for using them. There’s no need to suggest such thing.

On the Latin Mass thread in this forum you said any Catholic is free to receive Holy Communion while kneeling, yet here you say it would cause a problem. These two statements seem to contradict each other. Can you clarify please?
 
I’m saying that when you went to kneel…you are liable to kick the guy behind you if you are not careful. I’ve never seen anyone (at my home parish) receive kneeling. But if you geneflect…you have to be super careful not to kick the person behind you…space is at a premium.

It does happen. No one is saying that one should not or cannot receive Communion kneeling. But I know what Annabelle is saying. I nearly tripped over one man’s foot on one occassion when he made a sudden move to genuflect while in line to receive Communion. And our church is not that small.
 
No one said just because one priest can distribute Holy Communion without EMHCs that anyone else is wrong for using them. There’s no need to suggest such thing. Well, actually there is a hint of that…our’s doesn’t use any…therefore they really aren’t necessary type of tone to some posts.

On the Latin Mass thread in this forum you said any Catholic is free to receive Holy Communion while kneeling, yet here you say it would cause a problem. These two statements seem to contradict each other. Can you clarify please?
Well, it wasn’t on the Latin Mass thread…but I said if the person wanted to receive kneeling and on the tongue…go ahead…don’t worry about what other people are doing. That is not my preference but hey:shrug:

The point I was trying to make, maybe not too well, is that space is at a premium already and if someone wants to receive in that manner, which is fully allowed…they have to be VERY careful. So, now with space that tight…how are we suppose to gather everyone in the sanctuary to have one (and our ONLY one) priest distribute to everyone? Being as I go there and have seen it and the rest of you haven’t…I can safely say…it would be problematic and would take MORE then 10 minutes…hence backing into the next Mass. Which is probably why our priest has decided to use EMHC’s…
 
Here’s an idea…perhaps we shouldn’t follow too closely in the Communion line. It makes me think of Curly bumping into Larry or some dominoe effect on a freeway. Giving our fellow Catholics sufficient space in front of us just in case they decide to bend their knee at the sight of the Lord sounds like a charitable thing to do.
 
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