The Extraordinary in the original Vatican 2 document did not refer or mean the lay person it meant and means the circumstances in which a lay person might distibute the sacred species so the words are used separate and distinct from each other, no oxymoron.
The word Extraordinary in use in the original Vatican 2 document was not a referral to the Lay person it was to the conditions which might prompt the use of a lay person to distribute, or minister, the sacred species, “commune” the words were separate and distinct from each other,and still are.
Christ set it up as a hierarchy from the beginning. Who are you to disagree?
But the term “Eucharistic Minister” refers exculsively to the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
Yes you are correct there are and unfotunately always have been divisions in the church, that is no doubt why our Lord set up a hierachy. At times the hierachy as mortals need cleansing as we all do, and many times we have had very despicable persons in the hierarchy yet the church survives. Our weapon against evil is prayer. The abuse scandal is still with us and will be for as long as it is permitted to be by those who could extinguish it with a decree, however, making that decision for a Bishop is a trying task. The hierarchy needs our prayers, the Holy Father suggest that we pray for him!
I find it interesting that you have such great insights into the minds of other people. Where did you get this great gift?
John 6:60-68 set the example. Those that would not accept the teaching leave. They were the majority. Those that remain will look to the Magisterium, the Church that Christ founded, and say “You have the words of Eternal Life”
We are at cross currents, was this not a discussion of lay persons ministering, or an english lesson?I tried to discern the distinction in the documents of the Vatican, I have failed miserably.
No…Christ did not envision the hierarchy and Roman Curia as it is today. However, This is a topic for another discussion. Sorry for going off topic.
You discerned the term correctly, but it was applied to the incorrect ministry.
As usual I will side with the vicar of Christ.
Your post doesn’t seem to agree with itself? You do know that being a minister of the Eucharist is not ordinarily a function of the laity, right? I don’t get what is diminishing to the laity about that function belonging to clerics; it just is what it is. It’s not any more “diminishing” than reserving reception of the Eucharist to the baptised who are properly disposed. It is not as if a person who hasn’t been baptised or who has not fasted is less of a person before God! Yet some Catholics think this way: that is, that it is some awful insult to non-Catholics or anyone else for that matter that Holy Communion has any conditions placed upon it at all.
Missed this post. Your whole position puzzles me, but I suppose that it is a bit off-topic.
NO! I quite watching the Communist Broadcasting System (CBS) since the Vietnam war.
I’m a probation officer who supervises sex offenders. Guess how many who are on my case load who are priests. Zero. They’re all lay people. Sexual abuse is far deeper than what someone does in life.
And also I’d like to point out that the percentage of priests who have abused compared to the number of people in other professions is extremely low. Certainly lower than the general population. Statistically speaking, a child is safer from abuse with a priest than with his/her own parents.
It’s true! The majority of my case load consists of parents who sexually abused their own children. The others, the victim was still a close relative, some within the immediate family.
It really has. It’s just trying to destroy the church.
This is interesting. I do prison ministry conducting communion services (with my bishops blessing of course).
So you got a private revelation on how Christ envisioned His Church, that is good for you. I did not get any of those revelations and so I stick to the public on that is in the Gospel and that gives the authority to the bishops.