Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion at Indult TLM?

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It’s all in the spirit of Vatican II.:rolleyes: Hopefully none of these people will approach their priests with these ridiculous demands that the TLM get with the times and modernize itself. Ridiculous! They already have their innovations. Leave our Mass alone.
Completely agree with all that you said besides the last statement. The Mass is not “ours” it belongs to the Church.
 
It’s all in the spirit of Vatican II.:rolleyes: Hopefully none of these people will approach their priests with these ridiculous demands that the TLM get with the times and modernize itself. Ridiculous! They already have their innovations. Leave our Mass alone.
Completely agree with all that you said besides the last statement. The Mass is not “ours” it belongs to the Church.
 
I’m well aware that no EMHC can be used at the TLM, but I’m wondering about taking communion to the home-bound. Given the shortage of priests, and the increasing number of elderly, I don’t see how it would be practical for the priests to do this, at least in the large parishes. Maybe this would be a job for the deacons…:confused:
 
:hmmm: I believe in the documents of Vatican II there exists no such canon. Blessed John XXIII must have rolled over in his grave when they came out with this practice.

If “Vatican II” allowed lay people to distribute Holy Communion please tell us where we can find it… and remember- the Mass of Vatican II is the 1962 Missal.

Ken
The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion

The non-ordained faithful already collaborate with the sacred ministers in diverse pastoral situations since “This wonderful gift of the Eucharist, which is the greatest gift of all, demands that such an important mystery should be increasingly better known and its saving power more fully shared”.(95)

Such liturgical service is a response to the objective needs of the faithful especially those of the sick and to those liturgical assemblies in which there are particularly large numbers of the faithful who wish to receive Holy Communion.

§ 1. The canonical discipline concerning extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion must be correctly applied so as to avoid generating confusion. The same discipline establishes that the ordinary minister of Holy Communion is the Bishop, the Priest and the the Deacon.(96) Extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion are those instituted as acolytes and the faithful so deputed in accordance with Canon 230, § 3.(97)

A non-ordained member of the faithful, in cases of true necessity, may be deputed by the diocesan bishop, using the appropriate form of blessing for these situation, to act as an extraordinary minister to distribute Holy Communion outside of liturgical celebrations ad actum vel ad tempus or for a more stable period. In exceptional cases or in un foreseen circumstances, the priest presiding at the liturgy may authorize such ad actum.(98)

§ 2. Extraordinary ministers may distribute Holy Communion at eucharistic celebrations only when there are no ordained ministers present or when those ordained ministers present at a liturgical celebration are truly unable to distribute Holy Communion.(99) They may also exercise this function at eucharistic celebrations where there are particularly large numbers of the faithful and which would be excessively prolonged because of an insufficient number of ordained ministers to distribute Holy Communion. (100)

This function is supplementary and extraordinary (101) and must be exercised in accordance with the norm of law. It is thus useful for the diocesan bishop to issue particular norms concerning extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion which, in complete harmony with the universal law of the Church, should regulate the exercise of this function in his diocese. Such norms should provide, amongst other things, for matters such as the instruction in eucharistic doctrine of those chosen to be extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, the meaning of the service they provide, the rubrics to be observed, the reverence to be shown for such an august Sacrament and instruction concerning the discipline on admission to Holy Communion.

To avoid creating confusion, certain practices are to be avoided and eliminated where such have emerged in particular Churches:

— extraordinary ministers receiving Holy Communion apart from the other faithful as though concelebrants;

— association with the renewal of promises made by priests at the Chrism Mass on Holy Thursday, as well as other categories of faithful who renew religious vows or receive a mandate as extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion;

— the habitual use of extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion at Mass thus arbitrarily extending the concept of “a great number of the faithful”.

ewtn.com/expert/expertfaqframe.asp

I believe the mass of Vatican II is the Novus Ordo Missae because that council opened many changes in the Catholic Church: new theology, new cathecism, new mass, etc.
I agree with you, “Blessed John XXIII must have rolled over in his grave when they came out with this practice,” but Paul VI did not follow the real intention of John XXIII that’s why the church is divided: Traditonalist vs. Modernistic. Paul VI went far over from the original intention. I admit that Vatican II has good things brought to the church like importance of biblical reading and study, Mass in the vernacular, and some good social doctrines.

Pax
 
I’m well aware that no EMHC can be used at the TLM, but I’m wondering about taking communion to the home-bound. :
Nope!

Taking communion to the home bound has NOTHING to do with mass ordinary or extraordinary with the exception of the fact that the hosts were consecrated at “a” mass.

In the old days communion was taken to the sick by the priest…this is know as viaticum.

The little diddy that is done at some parishes “sending” forth the EMHCs to the sick is yet another one of those “things” that just sort of came about…its not in the rubrics.
 
I believe the mass of Vatican II is the Novus Ordo Missae because that council opened many changes in the Catholic Church: new theology, new cathecism, new mass, etc.

Pax
Nope, vatican II ended in 1965 and the Pauline mass (new mass) was born (promulgated) in 1969. The Mass of VII was the 62 missal. And again you are wrong about “new theology” VII was a pastoral council…not a doctrinal council. the new catechism didn’t come out until 1992. One could even argue that the 1992 catechsim came about from any council prior to VII…The church was not born after VII.
 
The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion…

Pax
You are quoting from the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, 1970, 3rd Typical Edition.

That is the GIRM from the Novus Ordo Mass. That document describes the rubrics of the Normative (Ordinary) Mass. As has been stated before, the 1962 Missal has it own General Instruction that describes the rubrics for the Extraordinary Mass.

They are NOT interchangeble.
 
Nope, vatican II ended in 1965 and the Pauline mass (new mass) was born (promulgated) in 1969. The Mass of VII was the 62 missal. And again you are wrong about “new theology” VII was a pastoral council…not a doctrinal council. the new catechism didn’t come out until 1992. One could even argue that the 1992 catechsim came about from any council prior to VII…The church was not born after VII.
Some would have us think otherwise…:rolleyes:
 
Given the logistics of distributing the Blessed Sacrament during the Vetus Ordo, it would make the use of EMsHC impossible.
I have never seen the phrase Vetus Ordo. I presume this is a reference to the Tridentine Mass. What does “Vetus” mean?
 
It’s all in the spirit of Vatican II.:rolleyes: Hopefully none of these people will approach their priests with these ridiculous demands that the TLM get with the times and modernize itself. Ridiculous! They already have their innovations. Leave our Mass alone.
Exactly. Why go through all the trouble of learning the TLM and its rubrics (it will take a few months just for a layperson) if you’re planning to sabotage your own efforts afterwards? If you want to introduce changes try them in the NO lab first. So far nothing has worked except to send most of the folks home in droves and left the rest something to “offer up”. 😃
 
I believe Ad Deum’s quote above (the writer does not offer the source) is from the 1983 Code of Canon Law, not a Vatican II document?
 
I have never seen the phrase Vetus Ordo. I presume this is a reference to the Tridentine Mass. What does “Vetus” mean?
Okay, I found it. “Vetus” means “Old”. So it is the “Old Rite” while “Novus Ordo” is “New Rite”.
 
Nope!
The little diddy that is done at some parishes “sending” forth the EMHCs to the sick is yet another one of those “things” that just sort of came about…its not in the rubrics.
Though the Eucharistic Minister is doing something that is actually useful, and requires a certain amount of effort on his part. What people object to is distribution by laypeople at Mass, because it is perceived as a great honour, and isn’t usually necessary in any physical sense.

At the moment Mass may be celebrated either according to the 1962 missal or in the NO. It is not permitted to mix elements of the two rites to produce something that is the best of both worlds.
 
THe simple and complete answers is NO.

Outside of Altar boys the rubrics do not allow for the laity to be “behind the fence”. Since communion is distributed with the recipient kneeling at the altar rail EMHCs are impossible.

Why would there need to be EMHCs at the TLM? Remember at the extraordinary Mass only the host is offered, No precious blood is distributed.

THe 1962 missal has its own General instruction…in which the ruberics allow for NO wiggle room.
The NO parish I grew up in had kneeling at the altar rail into the late 70’s early 80’s (the rail remained until after 2000). Even with the altar rails, two EMHCs were used. The EMHCs were all men and wore albs (maybe they were instituted acolates or something). The priest would serve the people at the altar rail in front of the altar, one EMHC would serve the people at the altar rail to the left of the altar and the other EMHC would serve the people at the altar rail to the right of the altar. There was always one altar boy (never girls) with each server to hold the plate (I forget the proper name) under each person’s chin while they received the body (no blood) on the tongue.
 
:hmmm: I believe in the documents of Vatican II there exists no such canon. Blessed John XXIII must have rolled over in his grave when they came out with this practice.

If “Vatican II” allowed lay people to distribute Holy Communion please **tell us where we can find it… **and remember- the Mass of Vatican II is the 1962 Missal.

Ken
You will not find it in the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.
Sadly Pope Paul did not follow the will of the Fathers and revise the Mass according to the Constitution. He followed the will of reformers Cardinal Lecaro, Archibishop Felici, Annibale Bugnini, a host of Progressive Theologians and Six Protestant ministers pictured here with Pope Paul VI.
traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A090rcPaulVIand%20Protsestants.htm
 
You will not find it in the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.
Sadly Pope Paul did not follow the will of the Fathers and revise the Mass according to the Constitution. He followed the will of reformers Cardinal Lecaro, Archibishop Felici, Annibale Bugnini, a host of Progressive Theologians and Six Protestant ministers pictured here with Pope Paul VI.
traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A090rcPaulVIand%20Protsestants.htm
I’m with you except possibly for Abp Felici-- he was pretty conservative, wasn’t he?
 
Not since 1983… when the new code of Canon Law abrogated the prior one.
It’s definitely unlawful to use them without true necessity.

From Redemptionis sacramentum:
  1. Only out of true necessity is there to be recourse to the assistance of extraordinary ministers in the celebration of the Liturgy. Such recourse is not intended for the sake of a fuller participation of the laity but rather, by its very nature, is supplementary and provisional. Furthermore, when recourse is had out of necessity to the functions of extraordinary ministers, special urgent prayers of intercession should be multiplied that the Lord may soon send a Priest for the service of the community and raise up an abundance of vocations to sacred Orders.
 
At our old parish in California, and at one of the ones we attend here in Missouri, all the parish priests come forth to distribute Communion at all Sunday Masses. They are also assisted by EMHCs. I wonder how many pastors ask all their priests to do this?
 
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