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GwenL
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Brendan, does your parish offer Holy Communion under both kinds? And if so, is it via intinction?
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thistle
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Although I think some religious sisters may distribute here I have never seen that. Other than that, women are not permitted to be EMHC’s here in the Philippines.
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NewEnglandPriest
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Well, as kid in my parish school could tell you, cooties are indeed dire…
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NewEnglandPriest
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Possibly. Depends how many people are in attendance. How far apart the Masses are. The layout of the pews and aisles. etc. etc. etc.
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Annabelle_Marie
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For those of you new to these types of discussions…Brendan’s parish apparently walks on water…
Brendan for those of us down here that don’t do everything right…yes…there are things some other parishes can not do. #1. In my thinking is the fact that our parish has only one priest. It also has space issues with no altar rail. And of course you would have to get the support of the Bishop, something that is unlikely to happen.
Look, the Vatican allows for them in certain cases as does the US Bishops…why can you not accept their authority. It’s great that your parish can do all that, I just don’t understand why you need to judge all the other parishes in the US? You can’t possibly know all their circumstances…
Oh…and our seminary has a bumper “crop” this year:thumbsup:
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Phemie
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Our diocese would have double the number of seminarians this year if we could recruit ONE. No they’re not lining up – the one we have like to wear a cassock but was told to stop doing so. He’s also very conservative, something that only works with 5 or 6 people in our parish.
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Annabelle_Marie
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I’m truly sorry. I can appreciate traditional and I can appreciate what some would call “non-traditional” -not liberal.
Sometimes I wonder how priests do it…cause you can please everyone. I’m sure he has his percentage of people that don’t like him. But to me, he has always been Christlike.
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TheMc
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Hmmm… Maybe Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison?
When he took over from the quite liberal bishop, there was 2 seminarians, and the previous bishop took pride in saying he ordained [sic:] 3 priests during his not-too-short tenure there. Now, he is pushing 30 seminiarians, and has between 2 and 6 new priests a year.
Oh yeah, and almost 1/3 of the men are from 2 of the most traditional parishes in the diocese. Yep. 100+ parishes, and 1/3 of the men come from two parishes, one of which is quite small (really, it’s pretty small).
Coincidence? I don’t think so.
Worshiping and teaching with a continunity with the past is the tried and true way to go.
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TheMc
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Hmmm… Maybe Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison?
When he took over from the quite liberal bishop, there was 2 seminarians, and the previous bishop took pride in saying he ordained [sic:] 3 priests during his not-too-short tenure there. Now, he is pushing 30 seminiarians, and has between 2 and 6 new priests a year.
Oh yeah, and almost 1/3 of the men are from 2 of the most traditional parishes in the diocese. Yep. 100+ parishes, and 1/3 of the men come from two parishes, one of which is quite small (really, it’s pretty small).
If every parish had as many seminiarians as these two parishes have created, we would have about 600 seminarians. And that’s not even taking into account the size of the parishes. If you were counting in seminarians-per-pew-sitter, I’m sure that projection would be even higher, since one of those two is a small parish.
(I know that number seems crazy, but I checked and double checked it, and it’s right.)
But surely being traditional doesn’t effect vocations.
Worshiping and teaching with a continunity with the past is the tried and true way to go.
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TheMc
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Hmmm… Maybe Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison?
When he took over from the quite liberal bishop, there was 2 seminarians, and the previous bishop took pride in saying he ordained [sic:] 3 priests during his not-too-short tenure there. Now, he is pushing 30 seminiarians, and has between 2 and 6 new priests a year.
Oh yeah, and almost 1/3 of the men are from 2 of the most traditional parishes in the diocese. Yep. 100+ parishes, and 1/3 of the men come from two parishes, one of which is quite small (really, it’s pretty small).
[BbIf every parish had as many seminiarians as these two parishes have created, we would have about 600 seminarians.** And that’s not even taking into account the size of the parishes. If you were counting in seminarians-per-pew-sitter, I’m sure that projection would be even higher, since one of those two is a small parish.
(I know that number seems crazy, but I checked and double checked it, and it’s right.)
But surely being traditional doesn’t effect vocations.
You can’t argue with the numbers, Ma’am.
Worshiping and teaching with a continunity with the past is the tried and true way to go.
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TheMc
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Hmmm… Maybe Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison?
When he took over from the quite liberal bishop, there was 2 seminarians, and the previous bishop took pride in saying he ordained [sic:] 3 priests during his not-too-short tenure there. Now, he is pushing 30 seminiarians, and has between 2 and 6 new priests a year.
Oh yeah, and almost 1/3 of the men are from 2 of the most traditional parishes in the diocese. Yep. 100+ parishes, and 1/3 of the men come from two parishes, one of which is quite small (really, it’s pretty small).
[BbIf every parish had as many seminiarians as these two parishes have created, we would have about 600 seminarians.** And that’s not even taking into account the size of the parishes. If you were counting in seminarians-per-pew-sitter, I’m sure that projection would be even higher, since one of those two is a small parish.
(I know that number seems crazy, but I checked and double checked it, and it’s right.) With those numbers, to staff our entire diocese, we would only need 10 traditional parishes (out of 100+, and we’d have more than enough priests.
But surely being traditional doesn’t effect vocations.
You can’t argue with the numbers, Ma’am.
Worshiping and teaching with a continunity with the past is the tried and true way to go.
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TheMc
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Hmmm… Maybe Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison?
When he took over from the quite liberal bishop, there was 2 seminarians, and the previous bishop took pride in saying he ordained [sic:] 3 priests during his not-too-short tenure there of about 10 years. Now, Bp. Morlino is pushing 30 seminiarians (and counting), and has between 2 and 6 new priests a year. New, young, chanting, cassock wearing, east-facing, lace wearing, (even some
biretta touting priests.Let me put it this way. Bp. Morlino ordains as many priests each year as the old bishop did in 10 years.
Oh yeah, and almost 1/3 of the seminiarians are from 2 of the most traditional parishes in the diocese. Yep. You read that right. 100+ parishes in a diocese, and 1/3 of the men come from two parishes, one of which is quite small (really, it’s pretty dang small).
If every parish had as many seminiarians as either one of these two parishes have created, we would have about 600 seminarians for our Diocese, with 100+ priests being ordained EVERY YEAR. Take a while to think about that.
(I know these numbers seem crazy, but I checked and double checked it, and it’s right.)
And that’s not even taking into account the size of the parishes. If you were counting in seminarian-per-pew-sitter, I’m sure that projection would be even higher, since one of those two is a small parish, and the other isn’t terribly big either.
With those numbers, to staff our entire diocese, we would only need 10 traditional parishes (out of 100+), and we’d have more than enough priests.
But surely being traditional doesn’t effect vocations.
You can’t argue with the numbers, Ma’am. And that’s just one diocese that I ran the numbers on.
Worshiping and teaching with a continuity to the past is the tried and true way to go.
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TheMc
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Hmmm… maybe one that uses an altar rail to make communion go faster, so EMHC aren’t needed? Maybe one that has enough vocations, because they are doing it right?
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Annabelle_Marie
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You took one part of her point and appear to take it out of context. And you appear to be shouting in your reply…there is no need for that IMHOHmmm… Maybe Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison?
When he took over from the quite liberal bishop, there was 2 seminarians, and the previous bishop took pride in saying he ordained [sic:] 3 priests during his not-too-short tenure there of about 10 years. Now, Bp. Morlino is pushing 30 seminiarians (and counting), and has between 2 and 6 new priests a year. New, young, chanting, cassock wearing, east-facing, lace wearing, (even some
Let me put it this way. Bp. Morlino ordains as many priests each year as the old bishop did in 10 years.
Oh yeah, and almost 1/3 of the seminiarians are from 2 of the most traditional parishes in the diocese. Yep. You read that right. 100+ parishes in a diocese, and 1/3 of the men come from two parishes, one of which is quite small (really, it’s pretty dang small).
If every parish had as many seminiarians as either one of these two parishes have created, we would have about 600 seminarians for our Diocese, with 100+ priests being ordained EVERY YEAR. Take a while to think about that.
(I know these numbers seem crazy, but I checked and double checked it, and it’s right.)
And that’s not even taking into account the size of the parishes. If you were counting in seminarian-per-pew-sitter, I’m sure that projection would be even higher, since one of those two is a small parish, and the other isn’t terribly big either.
With those numbers, to staff our entire diocese, we would only need 10 traditional parishes (out of 100+), and we’d have more than enough priests.
But surely being traditional doesn’t effect vocations.
You can’t argue with the numbers, Ma’am. And that’s just one diocese that I ran the numbers on.
Worshiping and teaching with a continuity to the past is the tried and true way to go.
Just because a parish might lean toward the traditional does NOT mean they don’t need to use EMHC’s. Heck my daily parish is considered more “traditional” - only distributes under one kind…and yet at daily Mass they still use one EMHC to help.
Of course my regular parish distributes under both species and has to utilize EMHC’s because we only have one priest for our 1,300 families.
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Annabelle_Marie
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So far I have not seen a parish that doesn’t have to use EMHC’s except up at the abbey.
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Mrs_Sally
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That is truly fabulous! I do think though, that whatever else happens, vocations to the priesthood and consecrated life will not increase until family sizes increase. It is a rare parent who would foster a vocation when they only have 1 or 2 children.
I hope that we are all praying every day that each man or woman who has a vocation, hears and answers the call.
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GwenL
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My question was “show me the traditional society or bishop that does not allow EMHC in large parish settings.”Hmmm… Maybe Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison?
When he took over from the quite liberal bishop, there was 2 seminarians, and the previous bishop took pride in saying he ordained [sic:] 3 priests during his not-too-short tenure there of about 10 years. Now, Bp. Morlino is pushing 30 seminiarians (and counting), and has between 2 and 6 new priests a year. New, young, chanting, cassock wearing, east-facing, lace wearing, (even some
Let me put it this way. Bp. Morlino ordains as many priests each year as the old bishop did in 10 years.
Oh yeah, and almost 1/3 of the seminiarians are from 2 of the most traditional parishes in the diocese. Yep. You read that right. 100+ parishes in a diocese, and 1/3 of the men come from two parishes, one of which is quite small (really, it’s pretty dang small).
If every parish had as many seminiarians as either one of these two parishes have created, we would have about 600 seminarians for our Diocese, with 100+ priests being ordained EVERY YEAR. Take a while to think about that.
(I know these numbers seem crazy, but I checked and double checked it, and it’s right.)
And that’s not even taking into account the size of the parishes. If you were counting in seminarian-per-pew-sitter, I’m sure that projection would be even higher, since one of those two is a small parish, and the other isn’t terribly big either.
With those numbers, to staff our entire diocese, we would only need 10 traditional parishes (out of 100+), and we’d have more than enough priests.
But surely being traditional doesn’t effect vocations.
You can’t argue with the numbers, Ma’am. And that’s just one diocese that I ran the numbers on.
Worshiping and teaching with a continuity to the past is the tried and true way to go.
Your earlier post made a connection between traditional societies/bishops, no EMHC, and vocations.
I actually do understand and applaud traditional bishops that foster vocations. It’s the same with religious communities–the traditional ones with habits are booming with vocations.
You still haven’t made the connection between vocations and (non-use of) EMHCs.
I’m also hoping for a courteous answer without the shouting. Most of us can read without the all-caps.
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GwenL
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I would also add that Holy Mother Church allows and encourages reception of Holy Communion for the lay faithful under both kinds. When we do that, EMHCs become necessary, unless you have four or five priests/deacons at each Mass.
Even with an altar rail, if you distribute under both kinds, without intinction, you need EMHCs.
By the way, I am (with our rector) pushing to get the altar rail returned to our Cathedral. Probably I’ll end up paying for it. Don’t accuse me of being or thinking liberal.
Again, MC, your connection between vocations and tradition is not the argument. I agree with you there.
You implied no EMHCs means more vocations, in your answer to my statement that a female EMHC would not scare off any but the most delicate of vocations.
Even with an altar rail, if you distribute under both kinds, without intinction, you need EMHCs.
By the way, I am (with our rector) pushing to get the altar rail returned to our Cathedral. Probably I’ll end up paying for it. Don’t accuse me of being or thinking liberal.
Again, MC, your connection between vocations and tradition is not the argument. I agree with you there.
You implied no EMHCs means more vocations, in your answer to my statement that a female EMHC would not scare off any but the most delicate of vocations.
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TheMc
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I see. I guess I misunderstood the primary reasons for your comments. Mea culpa.
Whenever we use EMHCs, we should be offering “urgent prayers” for more vocations (RS no. 151), so if you ask me, I would go with a slightly less amount of EMHCs than slightly too many, since they really should be extraordinary. IDK, I think (as does the church) there’s a pretty strong link between EMHCs and vocations.
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