Extreme poverty needs to be eradicated from the face of the planet!

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I find it most interesting that our friend Robert thinks that the same government and media that allows and pushes for gay rights and abortion on demand is the entity best suited to eradicate poverty. I wonder how many euthanized elderly and disabled people is acceptable in order to concentrate resources to save the poor?
 
You’re interpreting the Holy Scriptures to your own liking. Love your neighbor as yourself implies just what it says. When a person refuses to work, there is something wrong with the social system, whereby the motives for working are not great enough to get some people to work.

Respectively, I disagree with you here. You are putting all the burden on ‘society’ and absolving the individual of any culpability. The social system is not always at fault.

What do you with the mentally ill, who are examined and found capable of giving informed consent, who refuse to take medication, refuse to work, refuse to accept what the social system is perfectly willing to give? How can ‘the system’ succeed when it is not the system who refuses to give work/care etc, but the individual? What possible motivation can this person accept?

And what of those who refuse to work because the charity of others supplies their needs and they simply don’t wish to give back? They’re selfish, true, but again, it’s not the SYSTEM which has failed them. The ‘average person’ if you will chooses to work because he wishes to, or because he MUST, to gain food, clothing and shelter for him and his family. .or a combination.

But for some, that isn’t enough. They would rather starve than accept charity.

For some, it isn’t enough. If they don’t find a job which they truly like, they would rather go on welfare than do ‘menial work.’

For some, it isn’t enough. They simply don’t want to work at all. They would rather play video games all day, ‘hang out’, smoke weed, drink, and pretty much have all they wish, when they wish, doing what they wish.

It is not LOVING, for those for whom the NORMAL actions and understandings are either clouded by mental disease, or are clouded by addictions, or who simply refuse to be productive members of society through total selfishness, to just ‘let them have their needs met’ without them providing something in return, or just letting them ‘fall through the cracks’. In such cases, the Christian virtues of love and charity ought to easily override their refusal to work. These people are in need of help, and are in need of self-help consoling. All humans are entitled to a certain amount of dignity, and caring for the basic needs of such individuals are warranted. The value structure of people with insensitivity toward those unwilling to work need to change, and replaced with some degree of humanitarianism and brotherly love. The way you’re talking, these people should be allowed to starve to death; how inhumane and a crime against humanity! Why not just round them up and exterminate them? Again, to simply allow such people to starve to death is to overlook the real problem inherent in any economic system that does not properly motivate all of its citizens.

Trying to intimidate me by saying ‘more foolishness’ and ‘get real’ does nothing to further your weak argument.
 
Didascalia;11110827 said:
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You have obviously never heard of inflation. If, overnight, everyone suddenly became instant millionaires, then the prices of goods and commodities would multiply exponentially. How many tens of thousands of dollars would a gallon of gas cost? Or a loaf of bread?**
That is not correct, because its the total amount of cash in the economy that determines the inflation rate, not the distribution of that cash. FPC is but one figure that is calculated quarterly, when FPC sits in the bank economies start to flatline, this is what has caused the world depression, a single individual with Billions sitting in the bank is next to useless for world economics because he can only spend so much, he can only buy so many cars, so many houses and so many flatscreen tvs.
What is better for the economy, one man who wins a billion on the lottery and buys a couple of flash houses employing a couple of building firms. Or a thousand people winning a million and employing a thousand building firms? It’s a no brainer.
 
What I’m proposing is not inconsistent with capitalism. It does not require a redistribution of wealth, or a welfare state!

Yes, there will be the poor always, but does that mean that they need to live in extreme poverty? It sounds like you guys are trying to rationalize the problem away, and instead maintain the status quo, without lifting a finger to attempt to correct the crimes against humanity that exists today. I’m appalled at the apathy that I’m reading from my fellow Catholics!

Some of the posts try to blame the extreme poverty we see in the world today on alcohol and drugs, but this too is erroneous.
 
That is not correct, because its the total amount of cash in the economy that determines the inflation rate, not the distribution of that cash.
I’m afraid you are wrong. Prices are set now because of the availability of money in the hands of the multitudes. If everyone became a millionaire overnight, you would see prices increase tomorrow. Why would Apple continue to charge $500 for an Ipad when everyone could suddenly afford to pay tens of thousands of dollars for one? It is the availability of cash that causes inflation. The more cash that is suddenly made available, the less it is worth.
this is what has caused the world depression, a single individual with Billions sitting in the bank is next to useless for world economics because he can only spend so much, he can only buy so many cars, so many houses and so many flatscreen tvs.
What caused the global recession (not depression) was the fact that governments were borrowing far more money than they could repay. A single individual with billions in the bank is generating capital through the loaning of money, investments, etc. His money will make money for others, be it the companies themselves, the stockholders or the people who are employed in a company because of its growth. It isn’t a question of how many tvs a billionaire will buy.
What is better for the economy, one man who wins a billion on the lottery and buys a couple of flash houses employing a couple of building firms. Or a thousand people winning a million and employing a thousand building firms? It’s a no brainer.
But you didn’t say a thousand people; you said 70 million. Look at it this way; right now, gold is worth $1300 an ounce. If, tomorrow, everyone found an ounce of gold in their backyard, what do you think would happen to the market price? As long as gold is held by a relatively few people, it will continue to have a high value. But if suddenly everyone has gold, then the price will plummet. It is basic economics; the higher the availability, the lower price. The lower the availability, the higher the price.
 
I’m appalled at the apathy that I’m reading from my fellow Catholics!
Perhaps you should respect the fact that not everyone agrees or is even impressed with what you consider the solution to poverty.
 
What I’m proposing is not inconsistent with capitalism. It does not require a redistribution of wealth, or a welfare state!

Yes, there will be the poor always, but does that mean that they need to live in extreme poverty? It sounds like you guys are trying to rationalize the problem away, and instead maintain the status quo, without lifting a finger to attempt to correct the crimes against humanity that exists today. I’m appalled at the apathy that I’m reading from my fellow Catholics!

Some of the posts try to blame the extreme poverty we see in the world today on alcohol and drugs, but this too is erroneous.
Today the US will give Isreal approx $10 million in white aid [black funds undisclosed?]. They have a total population of under 8 million souls. Isreal does not publish personal FPC figures, the only westernized economy in the world not to do so. In order for a country to receive aid from the US the country receiving that aid must make there FPC known to the US gov…except Isreal?!🤷

Today the US will give Congo DRC $0.85 million in white aid black funds undisclosed?]. They have a population of 71,712,867 million and are the poorest people on earth, 85% of the DRC gold, silver and diamond mines are owned by Isreali business men. 🤷
 
What I’m proposing is not inconsistent with capitalism. It does not require a redistribution of wealth, or a welfare state!
Did you read your own OP?
What would it take for EVERYBODY to live comfortably?

To reach one’s fullest potential, one needs readily available upper education (free on-line classes comes to mind, especially in self-help). To live comfortably, people need easy to get, decent paying jobs. **The minimum wage would need to be placed at a comfortable rate, **like it is in Australia. The value system of people would certainly need to change. But I think all this is realistic with government intervention and the help of the media.
People refusing to work would be guaranteed a roof over their heads, free food and a computer for self-help classes, but would be denied ‘luxuries.’ People with mental disabilities would receive free treatment and be encouraged to work as best as they can. Self-help consulars would abound, and would be paid using government subsidies.
Yes, there will be the poor always, but does that mean that they need to live in extreme poverty? It sounds like you guys are trying to rationalize the problem away, and instead maintain the status quo, without lifting a finger to attempt to correct the crimes against humanity that exists today.
Did you read the responses? Those responding are trying to show why what you suggest is unrealistic, destructive to society and individuals, and not at all Catholic.
I’m appalled at the apathy that I’m reading from my fellow Catholics!
I am appalled at the judgementalism of a fellow Catholic 😦
 
Did you read your own OP?

Did you read the responses? Those responding are trying to show why what you suggest is unrealistic, destructive to society and individuals, and not at all Catholic.

I am appalled at the judgementalism of a fellow Catholic 😦
:rolleyes:
 
Reread the original post. The proposal has to do with the promotion of self-help, self-sufficiency and the creation of jobs.
Promoting self-help and self-sufficiency costs money.

The creation of jobs comes from the private sector.

How do you think the government can do what you suggest without redistributing wealth or spending enormous sums of money?
 
Promoting self-help and self-sufficiency costs money.

The creation of jobs comes from the private sector.

How do you think the government can do what you suggest without redistributing wealth or spending enormous sums of money?
Promoting self-help and self-sufficiency need not cost any more than we are now spending on poverty. And, for the subsidies that are needed, think of it as an eventual boon to the economic system when all these able bodies are able to contribute to the economic system.
 
What I’m proposing is not inconsistent with capitalism. It does not require a redistribution of wealth, or a welfare state!

Yes, there will be the poor always, but does that mean that they need to live in extreme poverty? It sounds like you guys are trying to rationalize the problem away, and instead maintain the status quo, without lifting a finger to attempt to correct the crimes against humanity that exists today. I’m appalled at the apathy that I’m reading from my fellow Catholics!

Some of the posts try to blame the extreme poverty we see in the world today on alcohol and drugs, but this too is erroneous.
Your piddling against the wind Robert, most of your fellow Americans confuse charity and compassion with communism. McCarthyism is alive and well in the USA! The world looked on in horror after Hurrican Katrina, and witnessed American compassion for the dispossessed and poor first hand. If a country can treat its own poor with such cruelty how can it be expected to show compassion for the poor citizens of other nations? You do however have the support of an Irishman. We have known death through starvation!!!
 
Robert,
Your ideas seem to fall in the realm of liberalism–the idea that man can perfect this world and the people in it through human effort alone without reference to God. Liberals hate to see suffering of any kind because it reminds them of human limits which can be helped only by God. I’m not saying you mean to do this; I’m just pointing out a problem with your thinking that I see

What would be much better would be if all the world became Catholic! God set up a perfect system for us already 🙂 If everyone were Catholic, those in need would be cared for without the need for government intervention. Instead voluntary institutions would be set up, neighbors would help their neighbors, goods would flow from one to another in the most appropriate ways!

So I think the best way to accomplish what you suggest is for each Catholic to pray a lot, including for conversions and for the good of the world, and for each Catholic to do their best in the area of evangelization, while relying on prayer.

I think this would work more quickly, and set up a better system in the end.

It is true that we see the majority of the world is not Catholic, but consider this: Catholics are about 1 in 6 people. Think about that! If each Catholic prayed, fasted, and sacrificed for the conversion of a mere 5 people, the whole world would be converted!
before you speak about everyone being catholic. why don’t you ask yourself why the catholic banks have so much money, but they are not willing to share to help their fellow man . what we need is more love in this world, so we all can overcome satan.
 
Promoting self-help and self-sufficiency costs money.

The creation of jobs comes from the private sector.

How do you think the government can do what you suggest without redistributing wealth or spending enormous sums of money?
get rid of the cia and the mossad the world would be a better place without them murderers and drug dealers
 
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