Extreme poverty needs to be eradicated from the face of the planet!

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Yes, another thread, but you need not look or post unless you’re truly interested.

So let us throw our hands up in the air and condone extreme poverty, and the crime against humanity that it entails.
Robert, you are going to be incapable of understanding other people until you desist in putting words into their mouth.
And since there will always be suffering in the world, perhaps we should do away with all medical research too. :rolleyes:
Red herring!!

Robert, this idea that welfare can somehow solve the world’s problems is unfounded in history, science, political science, and math. It is literally impossible for all the hardworking people to pay for everything for all the lazy bums, and the fact is the more and more of the hard workers will BECOME lazy bums when they realize the government is going to give all their money TO the lazy bums.
 
Robert, you are going to be incapable of understanding other people until you desist in putting words into their mouth.

Red herring!!

Robert, this idea that welfare can somehow solve the world’s problem is unfounded in history, science, political science, and math. It is literally impossible for all the hardworking people to pay for everything for all the lazy bums, and the fact is the more and more of the hard workers will BECOME lazy bums when they realize the government is going to give all their money TO the lazy bums.
Very BIG red herring!!! 👍
 
Yet another Robert Sock welfare thread.

Robert, let’s just clarify this: There will ALWAYS be suffering in the world. There will always be injustice, cruel governments with elitist leaders, countries in a state of poverty, and widespread starvation in the world. We live in a fallen world, and there is NO WAY it will become perfect again until the end of the world, when the New Heaven and the New Earth are raised, and all peoples go to their just reward; heaven or hell.
Who is talking about perfection? Light one candle and save all of humanity. Repair the imperfect world as best we can. That’s the Jewish way and the Catholic way.
 
Who is talking about perfection? Light one candle and save all of humanity. Repair the imperfect world as best we can. That’s the Jewish way and the Catholic way.
I was actually addressing that post to the OP, in which Robert asked the rhetorical question of how we could make the whole world live comfortably and then expounded on the “glories” of welfare.
 
Robert Sock #80
The parable you are referring to has to do with the Kingship of God, and the rest is simply analogy. Christ is not advocating entrepreneurship in any way in the parable.
When a neophyte tries to ridicule the meaning of Christ as explained and referenced by Fr Anthony G Percy, so clearly elucidated by him as shown in post #78, readers can see how myopic are the objections.

In his outstanding work Christians For Freedom, Ignatius 1986, p 43-47, (with a new edition, since), Dr Alejandro Chafuen has examined carefully the teaching of Christ and wealth.

Citing the case of the rich young man in Luke 18:18-25, Dr Chafuen remarks that many authors think that Jesus was condemning the possession of riches, but “the Late Scholastics indicated that this was not the correct interpretation. Citing Luke 14:26, where Jesus says, ‘If any man come to Me without hating his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes and his own life too, he cannot be My disciple,’ the Scholastics pointed out that this passage does not enjoin Christians to hate their fathers. Such doctrine would contradict the Fourth Commandment. Thomist and Scholastic interpretations of this passage is that the entrance to the kingdom of Heaven is denied to anyone who values things more than God. In Matthew’s Gospel (10:37), the same passage reads: ‘Anyone who prefers father or mother to Me is not worthy of Me. Anyone who prefers son or daughter to Me is not worthy of Me.’ It would be a violation of the natural order to value a created thing above its creator, as did the young ruler who pursued riches as his ultimate goal.

“As is indicated in Luke (12:29-31): ‘you must not set your heart on things to eat and things to drink; nor must you worry. It is the pagans of this world who set their hearts on all these things. Your father well knows you need them. No; set your hearts on His kingdom, and these other things will be given you as well.’

Dr Chafuen notes that “many people close to Jesus were quite wealthy for their times. Joseph seems to have had his own business and perhaps a donkey; Peter owned a fishing boat, and Matthew was a tax collector. Jesus praised the rich man Zaccheus. It was the wealthy Joseph of Arimathea who kept faith even when the Apostles were beset by doubt (Mt 27:57). Jesus does not condemn the possession of riches but, rather disordered attachment to them.” Notice also that Jesus did not ask His Apostles to renounce their property.
#81
“Feed my sheep.”
Simply expecting this misapplication of Christ’s teaching to support his posts (#72, 75) shows the foolishness of a simpleton’s idea in giving handouts to the able-bodied who refuse to work for their living.

What a shame to learn nothing from Christ’s meaning to feed His flock with His teaching on faith and morals. This is a typical example of perverting the meaning of Christ as He commands His Supreme Vicar, St Peter, to lead His flock in all truth.

Christ, Himself, warned “if he refuses to hear even the Church let him be like the heathen and a publican.” (Mt 18:17)
 
Robert, this idea that welfare can somehow solve the world’s problems is unfounded in history, science, political science, and math. It is literally impossible for all the hardworking people to pay for everything for all the lazy bums, and the fact is the more and more of the hard workers will BECOME lazy bums when they realize the government is going to give all their money TO the lazy bums.
Who’s talking about welfare. The original post has to do with self-help, self-sufficiency and the creation of decent paying jobs, all of which can be done in a free market. What I proposed in the original post would boost the economy, not hinder it.

Lazy bums? :rolleyes:
 
Who’s talking about welfare. The original post has to do with self-help, self-sufficiency and the creation of decent paying jobs, all of which can be done in a free market. What I proposed in the original post would boost the economy, not hinder it.

Lazy bums? :rolleyes:
Everything bolded in the quoted post below has something to do with welfare:
Everything colored blue in the quoted post below has something to do with government intervention, which messes with the economy:
What would it take for EVERYBODY to live comfortably?

To reach one’s fullest potential, one needs readily available upper education (free on-line classes comes to mind, especially in self-help). To live comfortably, people need easy to get, decent paying jobs. The minimum wage would need to be placed at a comfortable rate, like it is in Australia. The value system of people would certainly need to change. But I think all this is realistic with government intervention and the help of the media. Imagine the potential with everybody receiving education and being put to work! People in the lower class can live fruitful, meaningful and comfortable lives!

People refusing to work would be guaranteed a roof over their heads, free food and a computer for self-help classes, but would be denied ‘luxuries.’ People with mental disabilities would receive free treatment and be encouraged to work as best as they can. Self-help consulars would abound, and would be paid using government subsidies.
 
When a neophyte tries to ridicule the meaning of Christ as explained and referenced by Fr Anthony G Percy, so clearly elucidated by him as shown in post #78, readers can see how myopic are the objections.

In his outstanding work Christians For Freedom, Ignatius 1986, p 43-47, (with a new edition, since), Dr Alejandro Chafuen has examined carefully the teaching of Christ and wealth.

Citing the case of the rich young man in Luke 18:18-25, Dr Chafuen remarks that many authors think that Jesus was condemning the possession of riches, but “the Late Scholastics indicated that this was not the correct interpretation. Citing Luke 14:26, where Jesus says, ‘If any man come to Me without hating his father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes and his own life too, he cannot be My disciple,’ the Scholastics pointed out that this passage does not enjoin Christians to hate their fathers. Such doctrine would contradict the Fourth Commandment. Thomist and Scholastic interpretations of this passage is that the entrance to the kingdom of Heaven is denied to anyone who values things more than God. In Matthew’s Gospel (10:37), the same passage reads: ‘Anyone who prefers father or mother to Me is not worthy of Me. Anyone who prefers son or daughter to Me is not worthy of Me.’ It would be a violation of the natural order to value a created thing above its creator, as did the young ruler who pursued riches as his ultimate goal.

“As is indicated in Luke (12:29-31): ‘you must not set your heart on things to eat and things to drink; nor must you worry. It is the pagans of this world who set their hearts on all these things. Your father well knows you need them. No; set your hearts on His kingdom, and these other things will be given you as well.’

Dr Chafuen notes that “many people close to Jesus were quite wealthy for their times. Joseph seems to have had his own business and perhaps a donkey; Peter owned a fishing boat, and Matthew was a tax collector. Jesus praised the rich man Zaccheus. It was the wealthy Joseph of Arimathea who kept faith even when the Apostles were beset by doubt (Mt 27:57). Jesus does not condemn the possession of riches but, rather disordered attachment to them.” Notice also that Jesus did not ask His Apostles to renounce their property.
Simply expecting this misapplication of Christ’s teaching to support his posts (#72, 75) shows the foolishness of a simpleton’s idea in giving handouts to the able-bodied who refuse to work for their living.

What a shame to learn nothing from Christ’s meaning to feed His flock with His teaching on faith and morals. This is a typical example of perverting the meaning of Christ as He commands His Supreme Vicar, St Peter, to lead His flock in all truth.

Christ, Himself, warned “if he refuses to hear even the Church let him be like the heathen and a publican.” (Mt 18:17)
You’re repeating yourself, and again, you’re picking and choosing your commentaries to fit your agenda. They are all commentaries, and not biblical or Church teachings. What you’re inferring is in sharp contrast to Christian virtues!

Again, I encourage you to reread Christ’s second commandment and honestly apply it to those who refuse work.
 
Robert Sock #107
The original post has to do with self-help, self-sufficiency and the creation of decent paying jobs, all of which can be done in a free market. What I proposed in the original post would boost the economy, not hinder it.
Original Post #1
People refusing to work would be guaranteed a roof over their heads, free food and a computer for self-help classes, but would be denied ‘luxuries.’
When such opposites are imagined to be both acceptable and praiseworthy, no wonder the world is in such a mess.

However commonsense, light and hope still abound as the misapplication of such “aid” can still come to be understood as this shows. It is never to late to learn,

**Bono Affirms That Capitalism Alleviates Poverty More Than Aid
by ELISE HILTON on TUESDAY, AUGUST 13, 2013 **
Extract:
In the world of celebrity-do-gooders, Bono has earned the reputation of being more than a mouthpiece. Over two decades, the musician has created the ONE campaign, worked with Amnesty International, collaborated on the Band Aid concerts, and became increasingly involved in poverty-stricken Africa. He worked for years to promote debt forgiveness for African nations, while working for increased foreign aid.

And now? Bono says capitalism is the answer.

George Ayittey, an African entrepreneur, met Bono in 2007 and gave the rock star a copy of his book, Africa Unchained: The Blueprint For Development. Some of it must have taken hold, as Bono has come to acknowledge that foreign aid is merely a “stopgap” for poverty, not a realistic solution.
blog.acton.org/archives/58688-bono-affirms-that-capitalism-alleviates-poverty-more-than-aid.html

Reality is: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Put another way – easy come, easy go.

Anyone who thinks that curtailing self-reliance is good is not facing reality. It is time to face reality. As St Paul confirms: “If any one will not work, let him not eat” (2 Thess 3:10).
 
I’m experiencing deep depression knowing there are people living in extreme poverty. I want to die and escape from this miserable and corrupt world!

But I have a deep outward LOVE towards God, first, and my neighbor, second. This LOVE is my treasure!
 
When such opposites are imagined to be both acceptable and praiseworthy, no wonder the world is in such a mess.

However commonsense, light and hope still abound as the misapplication of such “aid” can still come to be understood as this shows. It is never to late to learn,
The least you could do is quote all of my original post, and then compare it to my post #107.
What would it take for EVERYBODY to live comfortably?

To reach one’s fullest potential, one needs readily available upper education (free on-line classes comes to mind, especially in self-help). To live comfortably, people need easy to get, decent paying jobs. The minimum wage would need to be placed at a comfortable rate, like it is in Australia. The value system of people would certainly need to change. But I think all this is realistic with government intervention and the help of the media. Imagine the potential with everybody receiving education and being put to work! People in the lower class can live fruitful, meaningful and comfortable lives!

People refusing to work would be guaranteed a roof over their heads, free food and a computer for self-help classes, but would be denied ‘luxuries.’ People with mental disabilities would receive free treatment and be encouraged to work as best as they can. Self-help consulars would abound, and would be paid using government subsidies.
 
what do you know about bums bobby.i lived on the street for 11 years ,and i was never homeless i was a BUM
That does not mean that everyone living in extreme poverty worldwide are bums. I was homeless once, but I was anything but a bum.

And please be polite and use my screen name when referring to me.
 
That does not mean that everyone living in extreme poverty worldwide are bums. I was homeless once, but I was anything but a bum.

And please be polite and use my screen name when referring to me.
A hobo wanders and works, a tramp wanders and dreams and a bum neither wanders or works. I was a hobo for several years.
 
I’m experiencing deep depression knowing there are people living in extreme poverty. I want to die and escape from this miserable and corrupt world!

But I have a deep outward LOVE towards God, first, and my neighbor, second. This LOVE is my treasure!
You’re too good and sensitive, Robert. Try to live with some degree of happiness without expecting too much from the world. I know the feeling, though.
 
The Art of Dying Well
by St. Robert Bellarmine

CHAPTER V. THE FIFTH PRECEPT, IN WHICH THE DECEITFUL ERROR OF THE RICH OF THIS WORLD IS EXPOSED.
IN addition to what has been already said, I must add the refutation of a certain error very prevalent among the rich of this world, and which greatly hinders them from living well and dying well. The error consists in this: the rich suppose that the wealth they possess is absolutely their own property, if justly acquired; and that therefore they may lawfully spend, give away, or squander their money, and that no one can say to them, “Why do you do so? Why dress so richly? Why feast so sumptuously? Why so prodigal in supporting your dogs and hawks? Why do you spend so much money in gaming, or other such-like pleasures?” They will answer: “What is it to you? Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with my own?” Now, this error is doubtless most grievous and pernicious: for, granting that the “rich” are the masters of their own property with relation to other men; yet, with regard to God, they are not masters, but only administrators or stewards.
This truth can be proved by many arguments. Hear the royal prophet: “The earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof: the world and all they that dwell therein.” (Psalm xxiii.) And again: " For all the beasts of the wood are mine: the cattle on the hills, and the oxen. If I should be hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fullness thereof." (Psalm xlix.) …
I shall add two more testimonies from the words of Christ, in the New Testament: " There was a certain rich man who had a steward: and the same was accused unto him, that he had wasted his goods. And he called him, and said to him: How is it I hear this of thee? Give an account of thy stewardship: for now thou canst be steward no longer." (St. Luke xvi.) By the “rich man” is here meant God, who, as we have just said, crieth out by the prophet Aggæus: “Mine is silver, and mine is gold.” By the “steward” is to be understood a rich man, as the holy Fathers teach, St. Chrysostom, St. Augustine, St. Ambrose, Venerable Bede, besides Theophylact, and Euthymius, and others on this passage.
If the Gospel, then, is to be credited, every rich man of this world must acknowledge that the riches he possesses, whether justly or unjustly acquired, are not his: that if they be justly acquired, he is only the steward of them; if unjustly, that he is nothing but a thief and a robber. And since the rich man is not the master of the wealth he possesses, it follows that, when accused of injustice before God, God removes him from his stewardship, either by death or by want: such do the words signify, “Give an account of thy stewardship, for now thou canst be steward no longer.”
…There is another passage in the same Gospel of St. Luke, which may be considered as a kind of commentary on the unjust steward: “There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen, and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores. Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man’s table, and no one did give him; moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell.” This Dives was certainly one of those who supposed he was master of his own money, and not a steward under God; and therefore he imagined not that he offended against God, when he was clothed in purple and linen, and feasted sumptuously every day, and had his dogs, and his buffoons, & c. For he perhaps said within himself: " I spend my own money, I do no injury to any one, I violate not the laws of God, I do not blaspheme nor swear, I observe the sabbath, I honour my parents, I do not kill, nor commit adultery, nor steal, nor bear false witness, nor do I covet my neighbour’s wife, or anything else." But if such was the case, why was he buried in hell? why tormented in the fire? We must then acknowledge that all those are deceived who suppose they are the “absolute” masters of their money; for if Dives had any more grievous sins to answer for, the Holy Scripture would certainly have mentioned them.
But since nothing more has been added, we are given to understand that the superfluous adornment of his body with costly garments, and his daily magnificent banquets, and the multitude of his servants and dogs, whilst he had no compassion for the poor, was a sufficient cause of his condemnation to eternal torments. Let it, therefore, be a fixed rule for living well and dying well, often to consider and seriously to ponder on the account that must be given to God of our luxury in palaces, in gardens, in chariots, in the multitude of servants, in the splendor of dress, in banquets, in hoarding up riches, in unnecessary expenses, which injure a great multitude of the poor and sick, who stand in need of our superfluities; and who now cry to God, and in the day of judgment will not cease crying out until we, together with the rich man, shall be condemned.

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