Facebook posting about homosexuality

[bingbang]

Oh I definitely agree with you that there is an unhealthy focus on sexual sins only on this site in particular, while other sins seem to be ignored. I think if you scroll up to my other posts in this thread that will become quite clear.

But I did want to correct the poster who said that homosexuality as an abomination was only mentioned in the OT. It also mentioned as I pointed out, in the NT as well, alongside non-sexual sins, but also alongside sexual sins unrelated to sexual orientation. After all, if scripture is to be used to defend a point in a debate, it is helpful to know where in scripture the issue comes up.

In my opinion when Paul is listing those sins I feel as though he is a describing a lifestyle. He is saying that these are some of things that bad people do. And to be honest homosexuality back then was associated with orgies and not monogomous life long relationships. I believe it is a different type of homosexuality that he is talking about…the kind that the Romans were involved in that included large amounts of food, drink, and sex with many different partners.

 

[Prophesy]

In my opinion when Paul is listing those sins I feel as though he is a describing a lifestyle. He is saying that these are some of things that bad people do. And to be honest homosexuality back then was associated with orgies and not monogomous life long relationships. I believe it is a different type of homosexuality that he is talking about…the kind that the Romans were involved in that included large amounts of food, drink, and sex with many different partners.

Unfortunately you are largely ignoring the fact that the homosexuality still isn’t monogamous. Almost half (47%) of homosexual couples polled by the Center for Research on Gender & Sexuality at San Francisco State University have agreements about extra-relationship partners (for example two homosexual people in a relationship determining which friends they are permitted to openly engage in intercourse with and how often this may occur). Homosexuality largely remains a promiscuous lifestyle.

But let us return to the Scripture that was mentioned and see if Paul is talking about some things that bad people do.
Douay Rhiems Bible (1 Corinthians 6:9-10):

Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.

Once again I think that Paul isn’t talking about the traits of a bad person, but the actions of a person which run contrary to the Divine Law.

-Prophecy

 

[bingbang]

Unfortunately you are largely ignoring the fact that the homosexuality still isn’t monogamous. Almost half (47%) of homosexual couples polled by the Center for Research on Gender & Sexuality at San Francisco State University have agreements about extra-relationship partners (for example two homosexual people in a relationship determining which friends they are permitted to openly engage in intercourse with and how often this may occur). Homosexuality largely remains a promiscuous lifestyle.

But let us return to the Scripture that was mentioned and see if Paul is talking about some things that bad people do.

Once again I think that Paul isn’t talking about the traits of a bad person, but the actions of a person which run contrary to the Divine Law.

-Prophecy

To be honest most heterosexuals probably aren’t monogamous either unfortunately.

 

[Rascalking]

To be honest most heterosexuals probably aren’t monogamous either unfortunately.

No, most probably are. Most homosexuals are as well.

It’s a media myth that everyone is unfaithful to their lover/spouse/boyfriend or girlfriend .

 

[russell007]

I just want to point out two things on your post.

I suppose you are aware of the fact that abomination did not mean sin in those times, it just meant unclean. Such as eating pork. Look it up if you don’t beileve me.

Sin is “unclean” doesnt make it any less of a sin. a conscious, intentional, personal attitude and act. It originates in a corrupted heart, the seat of the will and understanding. It is religious, rebellion against God." Homosexuality is a rebellion against God as it written not to do it.

I suggest you read Numbers 19 And for an unclean person they shall take of the ashes of the burnt heifer of purification for sin, and running water shall be put thereto in a vessel

Can you make the connection between unclean i.e. being physically dirty and spiritually unclean and purification with water cleans both you physical self and spiritual renewel?
in many cases they are one in the same. I.e. baptism Holy Water etc… serves dual purposes. both in the spiritual relm and physical.

catholic.com/library/Homosexuality.asp

Many people even some Catholics will argue that Soddom was not destroyed for the sin of lust but for the sin of greed.

I’m not over here trying to say “Yay! Gay!” but just pointing out some things in your argument.

Peace, dude.

 

[russell007]

You go much further than the Church does in describing homosexuality as an abomination. By your logic any homosexual person is an abomination simply by dint of their orientation and nothing to do with the things that they actually DO.

You should re-read the teaching documents of the Church before you propound your opinions further, because in your opinions I detect ‘violence of thought and word’.

Violence? Nice try I never mentioned any violence. Perhaps a no grey area point of view would be a better choice of words but to mention violence to describe my post is way in left field almost trying to twist my post to look a way in how it was not intended.

Wonder what you think of John the Baptist? Too harsh and violent for you?

The truth is not popular or do you not get that? Why do you think “pollitically correct”" Im ok your ok" slogans have been created? It gives you justification to live the way you choose.

God is not pollitically correct and people are still being sent to hell.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Do you think Hitler was able seduce a whole country by telling them lets wipe out the Jews everybody! NO in short he made
them “the bad guy” and convienced the Germans the were doing the right thing for the good of the nation.

Taken from the Vatican Library… tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
Is that considerd violent to you too?

Its a mortal sin and YES you can go to hell for it. Church says the same thing. if you want to call it an “act” or “lifestyle” any way you want to cut it. Can one be a thief at heart and just not steal anything avoid the act so to speak so therefor you avoid the sin?

Jesus: You have heard that it was said, “You shall not commit adultery.” But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.113

You think about that!

 

[JimG]

In my opinion when Paul is listing those sins I feel as though he is a describing a lifestyle. He is saying that these are some of things that bad people do. And to be honest homosexuality back then was associated with orgies and not monogomous life long relationships. I believe it is a different type of homosexuality that he is talking about…the kind that the Romans were involved in that included large amounts of food, drink, and sex with many different partners.

Large amounts of food, drink, and sex with different partners? Naturally, such things would never happen today.

 

[bingbang]

Large amounts of food, drink, and sex with different partners? Naturally, such things would never happen today.

I didn’t say that lifestyle wasn’t around today. It is very much around today. But that lifestyle doesn’t include monogamous homosexuals.

 

[JHow]

As yourself this: as a heterosexual person, would you be able to CHOOSE to become homosexual? (By which I mean change your orientation, not act simply in opposition to your natural instincts). Even the Church recognises that homosexuals can’t simply switch off or change their desires. Everyone can choose whether or not to act on such desires, but nobody can switch them off.

An interesting question. The experiences of men in prison seem to suggest that some do make the choice to engage in homosexual acts when that is all that is available.

 

[bingbang]

An interesting question. The experiences of men in prison seem to suggest that some do make the choice to engage in homosexual acts when that is all that is available.

I think that is a small percentage…likely the same percentage of homosexuals haver heterosexual relations at different points in their life for different reasons. I knew a gay man that had 4 biological children and possibly a divorced wife. I don’t know if they were ever actually married though. Apparently she knew that he was gay. Oddly enough he was a devout Catholic.

Also, I doubt that any of those men come out of prison and don’t like women anymore. So I think that the poster you quoted is right…they can’t turn off their heterosexual switch, even if they choose to participate in homosexual acts.

 

[Christopher68]

I posted a video on my wall about the health risks of a homosexual lifestyle, and wrote that that was a reason why God calls us not to do it. I recieved *so many *negative comments from my facebook “friends” about how God wouldn’t say that (even though Lev. 18:22), and one girl even said I was “hateful”. But none of what I posted was hateful at all, just dangers of that particular lifestyle.

My question is, should I stop posting things that are talking about the dangers of homosexuality? It’s not on their walls, but on mine. I have 2 reasons for posting. 1. To show others that there still are people who believe the Bible unconditionally out there. and 2. To help others see the truth.

It just seems so useless. So many people against my views, but I feel the obligation to get the word out in spite of all the liberal media influence.

Maybe I’m ranting. Any thoughts?

I am a huge proponent of freedom of speech. But this freedom goes both ways. You have every right to post the comments you posted, and your “friends” have every right to post their responses as they see fit.

 

[BobObob]

An interesting question. The experiences of men in prison seem to suggest that some do make the choice to engage in homosexual acts when that is all that is available.

That has a lot more to do with power and domination than sexual orientation. That’s why someone who’s prone to violence might rape an old lady.

 

[Seeker2010]

I posted a video on my wall about the health risks of a homosexual lifestyle, and wrote that that was a reason why God calls us not to do it. I recieved *so many *negative comments from my facebook “friends” about how God wouldn’t say that (even though Lev. 18:22), and one girl even said I was “hateful”.

Good. The word is getting out.

But since you brought up Leviticus, let’s discuss that, shall we?

Do you support burning at the stake the prostitute daughter of a priest, as commanded in Leviticus 21:9?

How about the killing of both husband and wife, should one of them cheat upon the other. Lev 20:10.

If my wife wears clothes of different fabrics, am I morally obligated to kill her myself? Lev 19:19.

You see, if 18:22 is to be respected, then so are the others. If the others are incorrect, so is 18:22.

So what’s your position?

My question is, should I stop posting things that are talking about the dangers of homosexuality?

By all means, please continue to post. Get the bigotry out in the open where it can be dealt with.

 

[LemonAndLime]

Good. The word is getting out.

But since you brought up Leviticus, let’s discuss that, shall we?

Do you support burning at the stake the prostitute daughter of a priest, as commanded in Leviticus 21:9?

How about the killing of both husband and wife, should one of them cheat upon the other. Lev 20:10.

If my wife wears clothes of different fabrics, am I morally obligated to kill her myself? Lev 19:19.

You see, if 18:22 is to be respected, then so are the others. If the others are incorrect, so is 18:22.

So what’s your position?

By all means, please continue to post. Get the bigotry out in the open where it can be dealt with.

I have to agree. Why is the anti-gay Lev reference considored legit, while the ones above and below it aren’t? There’s nothing about that quote in the Bible which says it is more important than others, so why is the Lev quote considored okay and just, but we disregard the laws about stoning someone to death for working on the Sabbeth?

 

[bingbang]

I have to agree. Why is the anti-gay Lev reference considored legit, while the ones above and below it aren’t? There’s nothing about that quote in the Bible which says it is more important than others, so why is the Lev quote considored okay and just, but we disregard the laws about stoning someone to death for working on the Sabbeth?

I have heard different excuses for this. Some people have argued that Leviticus was a legal document as well and these were just laws and punishments. So the punishments don’t have to be followed anymore, but those things are still wrong today…or something.

Basically it is just BS that people spew out so they can keep their bigoted views.

 

[Joe_5859]

I have heard different excuses for this. Some people have argued that Leviticus was a legal document as well and these were just laws and punishments. So the punishments don’t have to be followed anymore, but those things are still wrong today…or something.

Basically it is just BS that people spew out so they can keep their bigoted views.

I have a question. Do you think that anyone who believes and/or teaches that homosexual activity is morally wrong is “bigoted”?

 

[LemonAndLime]

I have heard different excuses for this. Some people have argued that Leviticus was a legal document as well and these were just laws and punishments. So the punishments don’t have to be followed anymore, but those things are still wrong today…or something.

Basically it is just BS that people spew out so they can keep their bigoted views.

But that argument doesn’t explain why the homosexuality law should be followed, and others aren’t. For example, the one where it says that people with imperfect sight should not approach the altar. Does that mean we cannot have priests with glasses? Or the one about burning sacrifices. No punishments involved there, just this is wrong and you should do this. Why is the Lev homosexuality law different?

 

[RosaryFan]

I posted a video on my wall about the health risks of a homosexual lifestyle, and wrote that that was a reason why God calls us not to do it. I recieved *so many *negative comments from my facebook “friends” about how God wouldn’t say that (even though Lev. 18:22), and one girl even said I was “hateful”. But none of what I posted was hateful at all, just dangers of that particular lifestyle.

My question is, should I stop posting things that are talking about the dangers of homosexuality? It’s not on their walls, but on mine. I have 2 reasons for posting. 1. To show others that there still are people who believe the Bible unconditionally out there. and 2. To help others see the truth.

It just seems so useless. So many people against my views, but I feel the obligation to get the word out in spite of all the liberal media influence.

Maybe I’m ranting. Any thoughts?

I have some thoughts. Stay off of Facebook. I have yet to hear positive feedback on that site. It’s nothing but trouble.

 

[russell007]

I have a question. Do you think that anyone who believes and/or teaches that homosexual activity is morally wrong is “bigoted”?

Seems any arguement against “the sinful ways of the world” can be swept away with simple name calling your a racist,bigot,homophobe etc…

Why does one need to be a homophobe or bigot to believe homosexuality is a mortal sin?

The Catholic Church is about the family homosexuality is anti family Begining with the union itself there is no procreation.

Its a mortla sin. only argument you can bring to the table is as long as you dont commit the actual act you should be ok But then again if Jesus knows whats in your heart i.e. your hearts desire and you are to be judged on your true self Then whats to become of your soul?

The church and the bible speak against homosexuality Why try to find loop holes and possible other meanings to justify it?

What about the other loop holes and possible other meanings of words that the bible might not have meant or possbile other translations Like Jesus didnt actually die on the cross, Jesus was married to Mary M and had children. My guess is you probably dont agree with that.

If you want to use miss translations for the justifications of homosexuality then you must take a look at the complete other side or the other possiblities as well other wise your cherry picking.

The bible says its wrong then its wrong stop trying to justify or muddy the waters and creating grey ares for just because the world says its OK.Cleary the word of God says its not

 

[Joe_5859]

Seems any arguement against “the sinful ways of the world” can be swept away with simple name calling your a racist,bigot,homophobe etc…

Why does one need to be a homophobe or bigot to believe homosexuality is a mortal sin?

The Catholic Church is about the family homosexuality is anti family Begining with the union itself there is no procreation.

Its a mortla sin. only argument you can bring to the table is as long as you dont commit the actual act you should be ok But then again if Jesus knows whats in your heart i.e. your hearts desire and you are to be judged on your true self Then whats to become of your soul?

The church and the bible speak against homosexuality Why try to find loop holes and possible other meanings to justify it?

What about the other loop holes and possible other meanings of words that the bible might not have meant or possbile other translations Like Jesus didnt actually die on the cross, Jesus was married to Mary M and had children. My guess is you probably dont agree with that.

If you want to use miss translations for the justifications of homosexuality then you must take a look at the complete other side or the other possiblities as well other wise your cherry picking.

The bible says its wrong then its wrong stop trying to justify or muddy the waters and creating grey ares for just because the world says its OK.Cleary the word of God says its not

I was hoping bingbang would answer. It does seem the word “bigot” and “homophobe” gets tossed around with such abandon that I was curious if there was any way to formulate Catholic teaching such that one would not be on the receiving end of such charged name-calling. I guess I’ll have to take the silence as the answer.