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I posted a video on my wall about the health risks of a homosexual lifestyle, and wrote that that was a reason why God calls us not to do it. I recieved *so many *negative comments from my facebook “friends” about how God wouldn’t say that (even though Lev. 18:22), and one girl even said I was “hateful”. But none of what I posted was hateful at all, just dangers of that particular lifestyle.

My question is, should I stop posting things that are talking about the dangers of homosexuality? It’s not on their walls, but on mine. I have 2 reasons for posting. 1. To show others that there still are people who believe the Bible unconditionally out there. and 2. To help others see the truth.

It just seems so useless. So many people against my views, but I feel the obligation to get the word out in spite of all the liberal media influence.

Maybe I’m ranting. Any thoughts?
Aball mine is a general comment. I think you have to understand that in the West we have a deep seated faith…that faith is an oxymoronic blend of liberal humanism mixed with materialistic determinism and liberal humanism attempts to normalise homosexuality. Against the de facto reality that the west is not Christian but is liberal humanist in its deepest core we simply must accept that the Christian message is counter cultural, radically counter cultural and it will attract massive negative comment if placed in the general culture.

Do continue to speak the truth but don’t expect a society which is not Christian to accept it without demur.
 
But that argument doesn’t explain why the homosexuality law should be followed, and others aren’t. For example, the one where it says that people with imperfect sight should not approach the altar. Does that mean we cannot have priests with glasses? Or the one about burning sacrifices. No punishments involved there, just this is wrong and you should do this. Why is the Lev homosexuality law different?
You do know that imperfect sight is not refering to our physical eye sight right?
Ironically enough its your understanding of God which does encompass his laws.

We are told Says the Lord bring no more vein offerings! that was spacific Thats why no more burnt offerings.

Jesus said I have come not to banish the old law but to fulfil it

The homosexuality law should be followed because 1 the bible states its a sinful act you will burn in hell for it like any other mortal sin

“For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

So it seems if you want to argue or try to convince people its ok you have a sinful and depraved mind.

“Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, [140] tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered’.” Catechism of the Catholic Church. §2357.

Its so simple. Is it that homosexuals are so prevelant (out of the closet) we dont want to
hurt anyones feelings?

Why cant people see its a perverse act against Gods will? isnt that enough to say its wrong? I guess not in a Godless society and those who call themselves Christions seek
ways of justifying it so they dont look like hypocrites

God created man and women in such a way so they could have offspring together.

He could have made us all hermaphrodites then it wouldnt matter. But he didnt.

The sin is between them and God Im just saying make no mistake about Its not the will of God.

Its like throwing his plan for procreating right back in his face. There will be a price to pay
 
But you didn’t address my point.

Why is the homosexuality law in Lev still honoured but the others aren’t? Can I have a straight answer please?

Is there anything in the NT which tells us to ignore all the laws in Lev? If not, then why don’t we honor the other ones which Jesus did not directly address, and if so, why do we ignore all but not that one? Why is the homosexuality one so important we ignore direction to no longer follow the laws… apart from that one? Is there anything in the NT in which Jesus states homosexuality is bad?

Also, when I think Peter refers to it, it’s often claimed that he is referring to the Greek culture of men using young boys for sex, rather than consenual homosexuality between men.
 
OP: If you really want to know why your friends were so disturbed your post, I’d be happy to shed some light.

Disclaimer: I’m an openly gay atheist with a boyfriend, who is definitely on the liberal side of many issues. But I’m not really interested in debate. A conversation and dialogue is more interesting to me.

Okay, with that out of the way, let’s talk about why your friends are so disturbed by your post. You have to understand that for your friends, they see homosexuality as totally acceptable. They view opposition to gay relationships on the same moral/ethical level as opposition to interracial marriage. And so, of course many might assume – erroneously – that you’re a hateful bigot. Who would want to be friends with a racist, after all, right?

Of course, your friends don’t really understand your position. Your faith has informed you that homosexuality is a sin that greatly increases their risk of going to Hell for all eternity. With that as your worldview, it makes complete sense that you would rail against homosexuality in a facebook post. And in fact, it doesn’t mean you’re a bigot at all – it means you’re actually genuinely trying to help.*

But I wouldn’t be too offended by your friends reacting negatively. After all, even if they understand that you’re genuinely trying to help, they can still find your words terribly distasteful. I wouldn’t fault them for that.

As a final note, I’d like to respond to the accusation that a homosexual lifestyle is dangerous. First, sexual activity of any kind carries some degree of risk. That risk can be minimized. Anyone who chooses to engage in sexual activity needs to understand those risks and weigh the risk vs reward. For me, I engage in very low risk sexual activity. The risk isn’t zero, but it’s low enough that the drive home from my boyfriend’s house in the morning is more risky than what we did the night before. As for the reward, it’s probably obvious but I’ll state it anyway: our physical intimacy is fun and it brings us together. That’s worth the exceedingly low risk.*

Second, just because something carries a certain risk of harm doesn’t mean it’s immoral. You probably don’t believe that playing football is immoral, even though there are some very serious health risks involved.

Hopefully that helps.*
 
But you didn’t address my point.

Why is the homosexuality law in Lev still honoured but the others aren’t? Can I have a straight answer please?

Is there anything in the NT which tells us to ignore all the laws in Lev? If not, then why don’t we honor the other ones which Jesus did not directly address, and if so, why do we ignore all but not that one? Why is the homosexuality one so important we ignore direction to no longer follow the laws… apart from that one? Is there anything in the NT in which Jesus states homosexuality is bad?

Also, when I think Peter refers to it, it’s often claimed that he is referring to the Greek culture of men using young boys for sex, rather than consenual homosexuality between men.
You would have to address each law and why that law was created.

My answer to you is how does it pertain to today?

Homoseuxality yes it is still here and can be addressed its against the will of God that hasnt changed.

Would I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). Uh no and there is no need to any more i.e. see my previous post.

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24).

Is it clean to have sexual contact with your wife when she is mestrual cycle…Its still not
and there are health reasons

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.

Last I checked Mexico and Canada dont have slaves so this would not apply

Comsuption of shellfish (Lev. 11:10), Then as more so today there are health risks

Just to name a few So it would depend on what the norms of society is at the time to what pertains to you.

For example you dont need to enforce the speed limit if there are no cars. There are many laws still on the books today that seemsilly to us because we dont ride horseback into town any more but if we did those “outdated laws” would certainly come in handy

In Phoenix, you better check your spurs at the door because it’s illegal for a cowboy to walk through the lobby of a hotel with his spurs on.

Most of us today dont where spurs so you can see where back then they needed that law
to keep the cowboys from nicking up the furniture. But if it became fanishable again then perhaps its not so silly after all.

Get my point?

Mark 7:20-23

20 He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. 21 For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean.

We have to realize that sexual immorality is a category of sin that includes all sexual sin.

If you could be more spacific on Peters teaching maybe the verse your referring to I would be more than glad to read it and comment.

Your world today is filled with self graitification.Loss of faith and the belief in mankind The things that belong to this world whe your thought should be toawrds God not your own desires of an sinful heart.

Do not try and justify mans sinfulness

Father thank you for revealing these things to the
unlearned and hidden these things from the wise and learned.

You hear but do not understand.

Turn away from your evil ways and God will come back to you.

Why do you argue with me?

The bible wrote by man
and inspired by the Holy Spirit if you think there is a mistake or it doesnt matter anymore take it up with God.

The bible states homosexuality is an abomination to God cant get any more clear than that Take it up with the Father If you have a problem with that.

If the OT is absolete or as you argue atleast parts of it why did our church include it?
Its not just a history lesson you know. When they put the bible together there were parchments they didnt include and some they felt were relevant

Is it the Holy Bible or is it not?

Holyness is not obsolete nor unclean

Maybe you should write your own version and leave out what you find offinsive or obsolete looks like would have some takers.

Again the TRUTH is not popular.
 
You would have to address each law and why that law was created.
Okay then. Let’s go through a couple of them. Although I would like to say that your post is really unclear, you don’t use punctucation very well or quote marks so its difficult to read but I’ll try my best.
My answer to you is how does it pertain to today?
I asked for a plain answer to a plain question. Not only does your question use the word pertain incorrectly, but it doesn’t make sense so I can’t answer it.
Homoseuxality yes it is still here and can be addressed its against the will of God that hasnt changed.
Whether it’s against the will of God for homosexuality to exist is a bit odd. God created everyone therefore why would he create homosexuals if he didn’t want them? Different debate altogether though.
Would I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). Uh no and there is no need to any more i.e. see my previous post.
Okay, we no longer burn bulls because Jesus told us it was unnessary. So the reason why we no longer kill homosexuals is… it’s unncessary. Therefore, if the punishment no longer counts… why does the crime still count?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24).
That passage means absolutely no contact whatsoever, not just sexual contact. In Biblical times, when people were more nomadic, it was custom for them to stop and raise a tent in which the women would stay until their menstral period was over.
Is it clean to have sexual contact with your wife when she is mestrual cycle…Its still not and there are health reasons
Really? Where in Church doctrine does it say this? And what health reasons? There isn’t any. You’re more likely to get HIV from the woman if she’s on her period, but thats kinda obvious and you shouldn’t been having sex with her anyway.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.
Last I checked Mexico and Canada dont have slaves so this would not apply
Woah, woah, since when did state law dictate doctrine of the Church? Some states in America, no wait, all, legalise homosexuality! Therefore according to your legal argument homosexuals should be allowed to have sex with each other, because, afterall, in Canada the Lev homosexual law would not apply because the country’s own law overrides it! Sorry, but if in the Bible it says slavery=legal and homosexuality=wrong, since when did the law in neighbouring countries influence what is right and wrong as stated in the Bible? If you’re saying that slavery=wrong because of law, surely then homosexuality=right also because of law?
Comsuption of shellfish (Lev. 11:10), Then as more so today there are health risks
Again, what health risks? Do we still obey that law?
Just to name a few So it would depend on what the norms of society is at the time to what pertains to you.
EXACTLY. Lev is just as much societal law as it is biblical. Lev law was made for a society which numbered much smaller than today, and literally depended on each other for survival. A disobedient teenager could literally be life and death. Hence the law for killing teenagers if they disobey their parents, why isn’t that one honoured?
For example you dont need to enforce the speed limit if there are no cars. There are many laws still on the books today that seemsilly to us because we dont ride horseback into town any more but if we did those “outdated laws” would certainly come in handy
I get what you’re trying to say but don’t understand the relevance to my question.
20 He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. 21 For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean.
We have to realize that sexual immorality is a category of sin that includes all sexual sin.
Yeah, I’m not arguing against that.
If you could be more spacific on Peters teaching maybe the verse your referring to I would be more than glad to read it and comment.
Can’t remember the verse.
Why do you argue with me?
Because you’re not answering my question directly. Why is the Lev law different to the others?
The bible states homosexuality is an abomination to God cant get any more clear than that Take it up with the Father If you have a problem with that.
Yeah, alongside other laws which we don’t pay attention to any more.
If the OT is absolete or as you argue atleast parts of it why did our church include it? Its not just a history lesson you know. When they put the bible together there were parchments they didnt include and some they felt were relevant
Yes I know that, thank you.
 
Okay then. Let’s go through a couple of them. Although I would like to say that your post is really unclear, you don’t use punctucation very well or quote marks so its difficult to read but I’ll try my best.

I asked for a plain answer to a plain question. Not only does your question use the word pertain incorrectly, but it doesn’t make sense so I can’t answer it.

**per·tain/pərˈtān/Verb
  1. Be appropriate, related, or applicable Understand now?
How does that law “pertain” to society today?

I apologise for my misspelled words incorrect grammer and lack of punctuation I didnt know this was English class**

Whether it’s against the will of God for homosexuality to exist is a bit odd. God created everyone therefore why would he create homosexuals if he didn’t want them? Different debate altogether though.

**For one God created man It was man who chooses the act or to sin

By that reasoning you could say why did God create sin which he do not we choose to sin **

Okay, we no longer burn bulls because Jesus told us it was unnessary. So the reason why we no longer kill homosexuals is… it’s unncessary. Therefore, if the punishment no longer counts… why does the crime still count?

I have been speaking on the laws not the punishments.

That passage means absolutely no contact whatsoever, not just sexual contact. In Biblical times, when people were more nomadic, it was custom for them to stop and raise a tent in which the women would stay until their menstral period was over.

**Its common knowledge its a reference for sexual intercourse with women while on their cycle perhaps gathering them in the tent was away to keep them away from the men much like the idea for ortho Muslims keep heir women clothed from head to toe for temptation reasons thats the bottom line. You try to keep everything in a nice neat package when you have to see the whole picture. Do a little research you will understand it was for sexual contact.

Were they just stupid back then? lol **

Really? Where in Church doctrine does it say this? And what health reasons? There isn’t any. You’re more likely to get HIV from the woman if she’s on her period, but thats kinda obvious and you shouldn’t been having sex with her anyway.

**Its called blood borne pathogens I could go into detail about this I just finished last semester on how micororganisms are transmitted It does actually increase your risk of spreading this disease to your sexual partner. **…

Woah, woah, since when did state law dictate doctrine of the Church? Some states in America, no wait, all, legalise homosexuality! Therefore according to your legal argument homosexuals should be allowed to have sex with each other, because, afterall, in Canada the Lev homosexual law would not apply because the country’s own law overrides it! Sorry, but if in the Bible it says slavery=legal and homosexuality=wrong, since when did the law in neighbouring countries influence what is right and wrong as stated in the Bible? If you’re saying that slavery=wrong because of law, surely then homosexuality=right also because of law?

Its called an ANALOGY or do you need the correct definition for that too?

Again, what health risks? Do we still obey that law?

No I mentioned nothing on legalities of slavery but the lack of. Secondly The Lev law
on homosexuality still pertains “appropriate or relates” to today because people are still commiting this sinful act. < There is a period for you Hope you fell better now

EXACTLY. Lev is just as much societal law as it is biblical. Lev law was made for a society which numbered much smaller than today, and literally depended on each other for survival. A disobedient teenager could literally be life and death. Hence the law for killing teenagers if they disobey their parents, why isn’t that one honoured?

**Yes however there are still laws that are apprpriate today such as against homosexuality
is as much a mortal sin as it was back then.

The church states its a mortal sin perhaps you can check the vatican arichives online

Just to break it down for you since there are no slaves then that law is on the shelf.**
I get what you’re trying to say but don’t understand the relevance to my question.

Yeah, I’m not arguing against that.

Can’t remember the verse.

Because you’re not answering my question directly. Why is the Lev law different to the others?

**Your asking why would one agree to Leviticus law 20 13 a man should not lay with a man etc… and then why not follow the other laws

I get your question

And my answer was and is it pertains or applies then yes it should be followed

Again I didnt write it. Besides sexual orientaion is a choice like anything else you do

If you pick up a pen instead of a pencil its a choice.

I find brunettes more attractvie than blondes is that from my genetic script or from conditioning? Regaurdless its still a choice**
Yeah, alongside other laws which we don’t pay attention to any more.

Yes I know that, thank you.
 
Actually sexual orientation is not a choice. The American Institute of Psychologists recognise homosexuality as a naturally occuring orientation.

Why else would people be denial of their sexuality and go to the trouble of “coming out” even though they know they face sin and also the disapproval of their parents, family, friends? Think it through. Do a little research. The Catholic Church officially recognises it as a naturally occuring orientation therefore so should you, by your logic.
 
I posted a video on my wall about the health risks of a homosexual lifestyle, and wrote that that was a reason why God calls us not to do it. I recieved *so many *negative comments from my facebook “friends” about how God wouldn’t say that (even though Lev. 18:22), and one girl even said I was “hateful”. But none of what I posted was hateful at all, just dangers of that particular lifestyle.

My question is, should I stop posting things that are talking about the dangers of homosexuality? It’s not on their walls, but on mine. I have 2 reasons for posting. 1. To show others that there still are people who believe the Bible unconditionally out there. and 2. To help others see the truth.

It just seems so useless. So many people against my views, but I feel the obligation to get the word out in spite of all the liberal media influence.

Maybe I’m ranting. Any thoughts?
Well, unless you are homosexual and living chaste as a result of it, you’re not really in the position to be preaching about THE RIGHT WAY for a homosexual to live. The information is available. It is no secret (albeit often caricatured) what the Church’s view of homosexuality is and it is not difficult for anyone looking for a deeper understanding to get that. What, then, is the point of a WASP, definitely heterosexual person putting forward a very weak, diluted, entry-level summary of Church’s teachings? I definitely think that by doing that you are simultaneously promoting the same stereotype of Christians that the Liberals you are complain about may present to anti-Christian ends AND confirming the suspicions of people who have came across that archetype by being openly Catholic and giving such a poorly formed message.

I think that the time for the Church to be complaining about and campaigning about how homosexuality is ‘disordered’ and ‘wrong’ has been and gone. Now, in order to not estrange en masse every single homosexual person and person with homosexual friends who is not familiar with the TRUE teachings of the Church on the issue, Christians should focus on promoting the far more positive aspects of the Church’s message about homosexuality.

I’d appreciate it if you could read my post and respond with your thoughts. I think its a pretty important issue and I am convinced that what I have wrote here is the right approach. Thanks.
 
Actually sexual orientation is not a choice. The American Institute of Psychologists recognise homosexuality as a naturally occuring orientation.

Why else would people be denial of their sexuality and go to the trouble of “coming out” even though they know they face sin and also the disapproval of their parents, family, friends? Think it through. Do a little research. The Catholic Church officially recognises it as a naturally occuring orientation therefore so should you, by your logic.
Just an FYI in case you have not seen it yet: the section from the CAF library article on homosexuality, consistent with the position of the CC position.

“I Was Born This Way”

Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.

But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.

Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.

Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them.

For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable “lifestyle” any more than homosexuality is.

Here is the link on this site that has the whole discussion, which is not very long.

The other paragraphs deal with:
  • Divine Law
  • Reinterpreting Scripture
  • Natural Law
  • The Ten Percent Argument
  • You’re Just a Homophobe
  • Call to Chastity
Note that it has a Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur at the end.

. . . . . .
 
Just an FYI in case you have not seen it yet: the section from the CAF library article on homosexuality, consistent with the position of the CC position.

“I Was Born This Way”

Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.

But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.

Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.

Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them.

For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable “lifestyle” any more than homosexuality is.

Here is the link on this site that has the whole discussion, which is not very long.

The other paragraphs deal with:
  • Divine Law
  • Reinterpreting Scripture
  • Natural Law
  • The Ten Percent Argument
  • You’re Just a Homophobe
  • Call to Chastity
Note that it has a Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur at the end.

. . . . . .
The problem with that article as proof of homosexuality being mainly conditioned is the fact that it is a Catholic article. It does acknowledge that homosexuality occurs naturally, just words in it such a way as to agree without seeming to. Yes social conditioning it may play a part, but, yet again, if people who are raised in a society where homosexuality is not talked about, read about, and is definately condemned then why would people “come out” as gay if they have never been exposed or “socially conditioned”? I can accept that it is a chicken and egg situation - you don’t know which one came first in the society, but the Catholic Church’s officially position is that yes it can occur naturally.

Here are a couple of scientific studies which support the view that it occurs naturally.

Study based on fingertip ridges:
J.A.Y. Hall and D. Kimura at the University of Western Ontario at London ON Canada found a relationship between the number of fingertip ridges on men and their sexual orientation. 7 They compared the number of ridges on the index finger and thumb of the left hand with the number on the corresponding fingers of the right hand. They found that 30% of the homosexuals tested had a surplus of ridges on their left hand, whereas only 14% of the heterosexuals did. This is a particularly interesting finding, because fingerprints are fully determined in a fetus before the 17th week of pregnancy, and do not change thereafter, through birth, infancy, childhood, youth and adulthood. This would seem to prove that for at least some adult homosexuals, their sexual orientation was pre-determined before birth, perhaps at conception; certainly by the end of the 4th month of pregnancy. 8,9

Study based on finger-lengths:
A California psychologist, Marc Breedlove, “conducted his research at three street fairs in the San Francisco Bay area in the fall of 1999.” Each study participant had his or her hand photocopied on a portable copy machine to record finger length. Participants also filled out a questionnaire on sexual orientation and birth order. 720 volunteers participated. They found that lesbians tended to have shorter index fingers (relative to their ring fingers) than did heterosexual women. They also found that gay males tended to have shorter index fingers (relative to their ring fingers) than heterosexual males. The relative size of a person’s fingers is determined well before birth. These findings imply that sexual orientation is at least partly decided before birth – perhaps at conception when a person’s unique DNA is established. 10

Studies based on fraternal birth order:
In the mid 1990s, researcher Ray Blanchard studied families in which there is a male child with a homosexual orientation. He found that a gay man is more likely to have older brothers than older sisters. He found that the probability that a male child will grow up as a homosexual increases by about 33% for each brother born before he was. Blanchard suggests that this effect may be caused by an immune response within the mother during pregnancy. 11,12,13 According to the program 60 Minutes, recent studies have shown that this effect only happens among right-handed brothers. 28
 
Homosexual behavior is normal and acceptable for people who are born homosexual. That’s the truth of it. Some day our church will see the reality of this fact and permit same-sex marriages.
Please spend more time studying your faith.

Pax,
OA
 
I do not agree with homosexual marriages. When trying to explain how society could never influence the Church on this to my boyfriend, I came up with this rather unusual analagy.

Let’s say I own a very exclusive nightclub. One of the rules is that you cannot wear jeans. A couple wearing jeans tries to get in but I do not allow them, and because it’s my club, I can make my own rules, and I have said no one can get in with jeans. Even if a group of people decided to campaign outside of my nightclub, it wouldn’t pressure me to change my rules because I’m very proud of my nightclub and will not change the rules for anyone.

I know the analagy is a bit clumsy, but it was good enough to explain to my boyfriend why I agree with the Church when it comes to refusing to ever allow gay marriage, if you “leave religion out of it”. Basically trying to say that the Church was the right to make their own rules (because they are seperate from government), and as they are cemented by belief no outside pressure can change them.
 
But you didn’t address my point.

Why is the homosexuality law in Lev still honoured but the others aren’t? Can I have a straight answer please?

Is there anything in the NT which tells us to ignore all the laws in Lev? If not, then why don’t we honor the other ones which Jesus did not directly address, and if so, why do we ignore all but not that one? Why is the homosexuality one so important we ignore direction to no longer follow the laws… apart from that one? Is there anything in the NT in which Jesus states homosexuality is bad?

Also, when I think Peter refers to it, it’s often claimed that he is referring to the Greek culture of men using young boys for sex, rather than consenual homosexuality between men.
Basically, you seem to be asking why do some of the OT laws still apply and some don’t?

I think this is an important question, but I don’t really have a simple answer for you. Not all OT laws are created equal.

I really like Dr. Hahn’s article “What Laws Were ‘Not Good’?”. It doesn’t address this same issue specifically, but I think it helps one get a better grasp on the distinction between the different types of OT law. This article is much more academic than Hahn’s Doubleday books, but is well worth the effort. 🙂

I guess if I had to try to put it all in a nutshell, I would say that homosexual activity is not immoral on the sole basis that “the Bible says so.” It’s part of that natural moral law (found in the 10 Commandments) that never changes or passes away.

Catholic Answers has a few tracts that might be helpful:

Early Teachings on Homosexuality (from the Church Fathers)
Homosexuality
 
The wages of sin is death. Homosexuality is an abomination to God thats a very strong word the bible uses for this act. Personally I wouldnt cherry pick to twist my lifestyle into justification of living the way I choose.

Is your salvation worth gambling with?

Homosexual acts are condemned by God and can NEVER be approved by the Church (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Genesis 19:1-29, Romans 1:24-27 and CCC 2357). If homosexuals are born with the condition, then they are called to live a life of Christian purity and chastity for the greater love of Christ. Such people can experience a life of trial, which all others must treat with compassion and sensitivity.
Ah, that people would heed these words, but alas, that would be too “politically correct.”
 
In this society, compassion and truth is considered hate speech lol
 
I posted a video on my wall about the health risks of a homosexual lifestyle, and wrote that that was a reason why God calls us not to do it. I recieved *so many *negative comments from my facebook “friends” about how God wouldn’t say that (even though Lev. 18:22), and one girl even said I was “hateful”. But none of what I posted was hateful at all, just dangers of that particular lifestyle.

My question is, should I stop posting things that are talking about the dangers of homosexuality? It’s not on their walls, but on mine. I have 2 reasons for posting. 1. To show others that there still are people who believe the Bible unconditionally out there. and 2. To help others see the truth.

It just seems so useless. So many people against my views, but I feel the obligation to get the word out in spite of all the liberal media influence.

Maybe I’m ranting. Any thoughts?
I sometimes make videos on the issues of gay marriage and get similar rants from liberals. The problem is the media and the liberal majority have a very strong hold on the younger generations, through MTV and Hollywood which they use to spew out their post-modernist propaganda. Anything questioning homosexuality is hatred or bigotry. Confirming the biblical roles between husband and wife is “sexist”. Even speaking out against abortion, the killing of children, is berated as “hating women” and “free rights”.

Its amazing the amount of liberal drones the media has created…
 
This is my approach to apologetics on Facebook. Basically, I find an article about something that I know someone may have a misunderstanding about. I make sure that the article is faithful to the Church and then I share it on Facebook. I have a Firefox extension called Add This or something like that and it allows me to share any web page I want on my Facebook wall. It’s really nice. 🙂 This approach helps me a lot because if I get the article from a good source like Catholic Answers, the article already covers many of the common objections to whatever the topic is about! 👍
 
I think the crux of the issue here is very few people outside the catholic church realize that when a catholic says homosexuality they are referring to two people of the same sex having something other than a platonic friendship. They find no sin in having an attraction to the same sex, only in acting upon those actions.

The majority of the US (and probably world) define homosexuality as an attraction to the same sex, and hold that sex follows attraction. So they think that the Church says that felling attraction to the same sex is wrong, which is not the case.
Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
I included the following quote from Catechism of the Catholic Church ([) to show in print these distinctions. Also to remind people to be loving in all actions with them.

And yes I am a gay Catholic who practices chastity.](http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm)
 
@kjn_23
I know how you feel, I am bisexual but I am not keen on having sex with men (i see philosophic problems with it) (nor am I keen with sex at all unless there is procreation).

@OP
But my advice would to not post those videos on facebook anymore unless you want to go down in flames (otherwise do as you wish).
 
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