Faith alone or not?

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You need to do a better job of explaining yourself. An inability to write clearly is often an indication of an inability to think clearly. Running off to another thread won’t solve that problem, it will perpetuate it.
We’ll it’s like this…I fell from the back of a rail car about 12 years ago…I had head trauma and other injuries…Coupled with the fact that my brain is 60 I don’t really have much critical thinking skills…I’m a pretty simple not highly educated, but I had a powerful conversion experience almost 40 years ago and a strong faith…We agree on a lot but there are things in you faith I don’t agree with like you in mine…I just don’t see the original apostles teaching something I read in sacred scripture…I’m not good in articulation thoughts, I admit that…But I share you don’t see my points I move on to others…I gotten nice comments from others here in what I have shared in the past…Peace to you…

BTW…I don’t just run from threads…I just know that wheels are just spinning to shift into 4WD and move on…
 
We’ll it’s like this…I fell from the back of a rail car about 12 years ago…I had head trauma and other injuries…Coupled with the fact that my brain is 60 I don’t really have much critical thinking skills…I’m a pretty simple not highly educated, but I had a powerful conversion experience almost 40 years ago and a strong faith…We agree on a lot but there are things in you faith I don’t agree with like you in mine…I just don’t see the original apostles teaching something I read in sacred scripture…I’m not good in articulation thoughts, I admit that…But I share you don’t see my points I move on to others…I gotten nice comments from others here in what I have shared in the past…Peace to you…

BTW…I don’t just run from threads…I just know that wheels are just spinning to shift into 4WD and move on…
Im sorry if my comments werent as nice as others - I assumed, since we were in the apologetics forum, that we would be debating and defending our positions with a little sharing along the way. You had a slightly different agenda, which is fine…there’s nothin wrong with sharing.

Blessings!
 
Im sorry if my comments werent as nice as others - I assumed, since we were in the apologetics forum, that we would be debating and defending our positions with a little sharing along the way. You had a slightly different agenda, which is fine…there’s nothin wrong with sharing.

Blessings!
Thank you for your apology…I was a little stung but I don’t take offense…I have spent many years in the sacred scriptures, I’m not a deep thinker but do my best to hide His word in my heart and let the Holy Spirit use that word to change me into His image…I guess I don’t take consideration to what forum I am in…I just see the thread in the side bar and jump in…May the Lord bless you and draw you closer to Him in these last days…K

Sometimes I don’t always respond the best…I almost feel defensive as I feel some
look at non catholic’s of having some second rate faith like we can’t spiritually mature in to all that Christ has for us since we’re lacking something in your eyes…It don’t really bother me or pain because my faith is strong, but it’s like they don’t see
or want to see there are a lot of very spiritually mature prots. out there…
 
.Merit gives me sort of a scary connotation like we sort of deserve it and some of our salvic gift come us…
I agree. One does not see this kind of language in the Gk, and it is peculiar to the Latin translations of the NT. HOwever, the meaning of it is the same as how we render “reward” in the Gk.

If one does a search of “reward” in the NT, it is comparable to the Latin search for “merit”.
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Reading about the 1Cor. 3 judgment is showing me there are those who were weak/immature entering heaven as their saved but have no works that revealed much gold ,silver and precious stones..I imagine seeing/experiencing that would be sorrowful enough to know what you could have received ..
This is how we conceptualize purgatory, is that coming to awareness of the sorrow for failing to complete the deeds that He had stored up for us since before the beginning of time.
I guess I also cant wrap myself around purgatory from that scripture as some has said alone with each having our own 1 Cor 3 experience right after we each die and apart from the judgment seat of Christ…I guess I don’t read enough about some Christians going right with Jesus and others sent to some holding ares where others pray them out…
If you have ever had to separate from someone important to you , or an attachment to something that was of great value, then you know it can be painful, and take time. When we die, we come to see attachments that we may not have been aware of in this life, and they are purified away from us, leaving only ourselves to enter the kingdom.
I know about the debtors prison verse, but reading it in contect of the other verses doesn’t lead me to the prugatory idea …I had alot of Catholic neighbors at the last place we live…Seems all the Catholics I knew seem to not want to discus their faith with others like the fundy evangelicals do…
I think this is a skill that is learned, at least, it was for me. I am not aware that it is taught much to Catholics. Instead, we are taught to witness by living our life with Christlike actions, and only use words if necessary.
PS As for John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

I don’t see Jesus saying our believing is a work but it is HIS work…
It is a work of both, as He is at work in us to will and to do. If it were not our work, Jesus would not have said so.
 
I have always understood it like this: If we have faith, then our works will reflect that faith. No-one with true faith would say, go out and murder 15 people. If that person says they have true faith, they are not being truthful. If you truly believe that Jesus died on the cross for all of your sins, then your actions in your life will reflect that. So, while we are not justified by our works, our works ARE a reflection of the strength of our faith. This is what it means to say “Faith without works is dead”.
Oddly, Thoughtfulone your postings are so classically Protestant I increasingly wonder if you are really Catholic. Not one word about prevenient grace or cooperation - yet an almost classic Protestant exegesis on James’ oh so difficultly clear statement on** justification** by works for those who subscribe to Sola Fides.

In the words of Ricky Ricardo, “You got some splainin to do.” Or maybe you just need to study up on Catholicism because you sure don’t know what it teaches.
 
On Catholic Answers Live today, John Martinogni struggled to get the message to some callers that the Catholic Church doesn’t believe we are saved by works. He said that the reason works are important is because NOT doing them could cause us to lose our salvation (ie, through mortal sin). He didn’t phrase it like that, but that’s what he meant.

I see a lot of people explain it like that.

But I am confused. It seems like we go at paints to defend the Catholic position by using James 2, but then at the same time we say we are NOT saved by works.

I’m confused. Then what does it mean to be justified by faith and works, if works don’t save?
We are called by God’s prevenient grace to which we respond in faith and works; we are called to cooperate in that saving grace in our lives, which we can lose. We are NOT saved by faith, but by grace - grace that begins and ends from God, but which we can refuse or discard. Salvation by works, Pelagianism, is a heresy in Catholicism. That is, we cannot work our way to heaven. Salvation by faith alone is heresy as well. Once saved, always saved is also heresy. Our cooperation in our salvation within the mystery of predestination and free will is a mystery not fully understood. But God calls us by his Grace, we respond in a lifetime of faith and works cooperating with that grace - or rejecting it within the free will He grants us. This synergistic view of salvation, derisively and wrongly called semi-pelagianism by many Protestants, is the Catholic view.
 
I guess you could label it a work…I label it faith and obedience…Like Abraham and David they understood there was something beyond the law…To obey was better than sacrifice…
Yes, it is called by the Apostles “work”. Works are those things that God has prepared from the foundation of the world, that we should walk in them.

It is, indeed, the obedience of the faith. It is faith working itself out in love. It is God in us, making us to will and to do His desire in our lives. We call them works because we must choose to do them. they are not separated from the grace that saves us.
We just keep going round and round…Arguing over points trying to one up each other…The words "work,(s) seems to be a disconnect…
You could always abandon the effects of heresy, and cleave to the One Church, founded by Christ. If you did that, we would both have the Apostolic faith, and there would be no disconnect. 😃
I feel the works are what James and Jesus gave as an example…And y’all attach the name of works to other things…Then sins get brought in…
Good deeds are works, and if we are full of good deeds, then we will move further away from sins. Sins are evil works, or “dead” works.
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Look, like I sad before at some point our mortal puts on immortality if you want to call that moment purgatory then that's fine with me...But it will happen to all, not will skip that part...I imagine we all will be shamed
some more so than others…Some painfully like utter humiliation at what could have been, like “as through fire” not the literal fire that burned the works to ash or produced gold…I don’t think it will be pleasant. but momentary…I went through some painful trials and saw how the refining fire matured me after the process…It wasn’t fun but I experienced the end result and seen the good results in me…
Yes, it is really more properly called a state than a “place” since in happens outside the space time continuum.
Like I said before works are beneficial not salvic…God doesn’t operate on some sliding scale with some making it and others not…Wait, too much ash, he can’t get in…It’s rewards vrs ash…Faith in Christ gets us there…Behold I stand at the door and knock…
I believe you think this way because you have inherited a deficient notion of salvation.
.I think things were getting out of order and reformers brought it up…
Yes, people will always get out of order. Where they made the mistake was in thinking that doctrine needed to be reformed, not just people.
Look, I’m not going to respond to any more questions…You guys mind is settled and mine its too…I know you operate that as an ancient church you have all the answers, but just because something has been supposedly always done doesn’t make it right…
You are right. But the doctrine of the faith is not right because it has been held for a long time. It is right because it came to us from Jesus. The Reformers separated themselves from the Apostolic faith about 500 years ago, and bits and peices of it have been getting lost ever since. Modern evangelicals think that Catholics “added” to the Gospel. they don’t realize they have gotten a trucated version.
Same with ecf’s they have good things but you can find them saying one thing and saying something different another place …Catholic and Orthodox even use the same ecf’s arguments with each other…
It is not the individuals who are infallible, but the Teachings.
I know what works for me and am still a work in progress…I came a long way over the almost 40 yrs of walking with Christ…I’ve had some pretty incredible experiences over the years with God working in me…
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be drawing you into a deeper walk with Himself? Do you know why you came here to CAF?
I live in an Italian-Catholic area and had many catholic neighbors and co-workers…The most godly person I know is a non catholic…To me it’s not about if your catholic, protestant or orthodox, it’s about Jesus and out own desire to get as close to Him as we can… Grace and peace…K…See ya in another thread
It is true that there are many baptized Catholics that don;t live their faith.
 
Faith + Works = doing the Lord’s will

I like to remember how Jesus describes His second coming:

Gospel
Mt 25:31-46

Jesus said to his disciples:
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory,
and all the angels with him,
he will sit upon his glorious throne,
and all the nations will be assembled before him.
And he will separate them one from another,
as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Then the king will say to those on his right,
'Come, you who are blessed by my Father.
Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For I was hungry and you gave me food,
I was thirsty and you gave me drink,
a stranger and you welcomed me,
naked and you clothed me,
ill and you cared for me,
in prison and you visited me.�
Then the righteous will answer him and say,
'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you,
or thirsty and give you drink?
When did we see you a stranger and welcome you,
or naked and clothe you?
When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?�
And the king will say to them in reply,
'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did
for one of the least brothers of mine, you did for me.�
Then he will say to those on his left,
'Depart from me, you accursed,
into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry and you gave me no food,
I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
a stranger and you gave me no welcome,
naked and you gave me no clothing,
ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.�
Then they will answer and say,
'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty
or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison,
and not minister to your needs?�
He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you,
what you did not do for one of these least ones,
you did not do for me.�
And these will go off to eternal punishment,
but the righteous to eternal life.”

You better believe it’s more than just Faith
 
We’ll it’s like this…I fell from the back of a rail car about 12 years ago…I had head trauma and other injuries…Coupled with the fact that my brain is 60 I don’t really have much critical thinking skills…I’m a pretty simple not highly educated, but I had a powerful conversion experience almost 40 years ago and a strong faith…We agree on a lot but there are things in you faith I don’t agree with like you in mine…I just don’t see the original apostles teaching something I read in sacred scripture…I’m not good in articulation thoughts, I admit that…But I share you don’t see my points I move on to others…I gotten nice comments from others here in what I have shared in the past…Peace to you…

BTW…I don’t just run from threads…I just know that wheels are just spinning to shift into 4WD and move on…
I thank you for sharing your testimony. It will help me a great deal when reading your posts to keep them in this context.

If you are able, can you expand on this statement?
I just don’t see the original apostles teaching something I read in sacred scripture…
I am confused about what you are trying to say.
 
Has it ever occurred to you that God might be drawing you into a deeper walk with Himself? Do you know why you came here to CAF?..
Yes He is always has been drawing me closer over the almost 40 years…The longer I serve Him the more precious He becomes…I come to encourage others(in a lot of threads where others are struggling or prayer threads)…I visit a few forums. I also came to learn a little more my un separated Catholic brethren live their faith…We have a couple Catholic brethren who come to our church all the time…Next month all the pastors in our area are meeting at our local Catholic church for prayer on outreach to the community in the love of Christ…They work together at ministry to the community…We host a food bank at our church that all have access to…We even installed a tank where we can baptize and the local priest is a friend of my pastor gave him some baptismal robe or gown he wears over his clothes…We know we have differences but come together to minister Christ to the lost/needy…A big key is living/walking in a Spirit filled life…Grace and peace to you…
 
I thank you for sharing your testimony. It will help me a great deal when reading your posts to keep them in this context.

If you are able, can you expand on this statement?
I am confused about what you are trying to say.
I just don’t see some things that are practiced fitting in with the early church, BUT I realize that you get things from your sacred traditions also… peace to you…
 
Catholics get so tired of Protestants misrepresenting their doctrines (e.g., calling prayer to saints “worship”) and rightly so. But at the same time they do the exact same thing to Protestants, saying that all of us view salvation as a license to sin all we want and to get into Heaven free. It simply isn’t true that we believe this, and it’s a gross perversion and, at this point, I would say purposeful distortion of our beliefs (since over and over Protestants have cleared up our view). It’s NOT that we view salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ as a “get your ticket stamped and sin all you want” card, as has over and over again been argued. It’s a humble acceptance that we could never do anything of our own will to earn righteousness with God, because compared to His holiness and righteousness, we fall tremendously short. How utterly arrogant to think any of us could ever do enough good works to match the righteousness of God (with or without the addition of faith).

Because of our new nature and our gratitude to the Lord for his great mercy and grace in saving us, we WANT to serve Him. We WANT to obey Him because we love Him. To be honest, I think this speaks volumes more of the sincerity of faith that Protestants have as opposed to the average Catholic who does good works because he’s trying to earn his way to Heaven. The Catholic’s outrage at our belief in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ seems very telling to me—it seems like an indirect way of showing that they are shocked that anyone would actually serve Christ out of love for Him rather than because we are trying to get something out of it (salvation). It seems like an indirect admission that they are only serving Him because it’s the only way of getting eternal life, not because they actually want to. To me, it seems that Protestants are the ones who show themselves to be truly given a new nature in our acknowledgment that our works will not get us into Heaven, but doing them nonetheless because we sincerely love God and desire to please Him. That is truly a new nature, IMO.
 
Catholics get so tired of Protestants misrepresenting their doctrines…

Because of our new nature and our gratitude to the Lord for his great mercy and grace in saving us, we WANT to serve Him. We WANT to obey Him because we love Him. To be honest, I think this speaks volumes more of the sincerity of faith that Protestants have as opposed to the average Catholic who does good works because he’s trying to earn his way to Heaven. The Catholic’s outrage at our belief in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ seems very telling to me—it seems like an indirect way of showing that they are shocked that anyone would actually serve Christ out of love for Him rather than because we are trying to get something out of it (salvation). It seems like an indirect admission that they are only serving Him because it’s the only way of getting eternal life, not because they actually want to. To me, it seems that Protestants are the ones who show themselves to be truly given a new nature in our acknowledgment that our works will not get us into Heaven, but doing them nonetheless because we sincerely love God and desire to please Him. That is truly a new nature, IMO.
Well, I disagree that Protestants are so much holier than Catholics.

You talk about how th “true” Catholic teaching, that we are not saved by works, is not what’s actually taught, but many try to earn their way into Heaven anyway.

That’s probably true, but what I don’t get is why you assume Protestants are so much better.

Yes, IN THEORY Protestants only do good out of love of God. Fine and dandy. But, much like with Catholics trying to earn their way to Heaven even though this is contrary to what’s truly being taught, I find that this is normally not the case.

You claim that Protestants do work out of love of God. Well, they’re SUPPOSED to, and I’m sure SOME do. But believe me, I’ve met Protestants who believe they are “already saved” because they have faith and thus feel no need to do good works! t’s a spiritual laziness.

You really set up a double standard for Catholics and Protestants in your posts. This is a HUMAN issue, and all humans are flawed.

And since we now agree that whatever the teaching humans will forever be misinterpreting it out of selfishnesss or laziness, maybe we can go back to the debate of WHICH teaching is true, faith alone or faith and works.
 
Catholics get so tired of Protestants misrepresenting their doctrines (e.g., calling prayer to saints “worship”) and rightly so. But at the same time they do the exact same thing to Protestants, saying that all of us view salvation as a license to sin all we want and to get into Heaven free. It simply isn’t true that we believe this, and it’s a gross perversion and, at this point, I would say purposeful distortion of our beliefs (since over and over Protestants have cleared up our view). It’s NOT that we view salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ as a “get your ticket stamped and sin all you want” card, as has over and over again been argued. It’s a humble acceptance that we could never do anything of our own will to earn righteousness with God, because compared to His holiness and righteousness, we fall tremendously short. How utterly arrogant to think any of us could ever do enough good works to match the righteousness of God (with or without the addition of faith).

Because of our new nature and our gratitude to the Lord for his great mercy and grace in saving us, we WANT to serve Him. We WANT to obey Him because we love Him. To be honest, I think this speaks volumes more of the sincerity of faith that Protestants have as opposed to the average Catholic who does good works because he’s trying to earn his way to Heaven. The Catholic’s outrage at our belief in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ seems very telling to me—it seems like an indirect way of showing that they are shocked that anyone would actually serve Christ out of love for Him rather than because we are trying to get something out of it (salvation). It seems like an indirect admission that they are only serving Him because it’s the only way of getting eternal life, not because they actually want to. To me, it seems that Protestants are the ones who show themselves to be truly given a new nature in our acknowledgment that our works will not get us into Heaven, but doing them nonetheless because we sincerely love God and desire to please Him. That is truly a new nature, IMO.
Let me at least explain salvation from a Catholic point of view.

We are brought into the state of Grace through Baptism. We stay in the state of Grace by avoiding mortal sin and by loving God and neighbor. By partaking of the sacraments, particularly the eucharist, we increase in Grace, allowing us to avoid sin and to love more completely. If we die in the state of grace, we will go to heaven. If we do commit mortal sin, we can be reconciled to God and return to the state of Grace through the sacrament of reconciliation, which requires sincere confession to a priest, repentance, and penance.

As you will note, we are called to love and to avoid sin - the very thing you seem to advocate, so there is no difference there. Where we seem to differ most is in the role of the sacraments in salvation. We see them as necessary, visible actions to demonstrate our intentions to seek out and follow God and that he rewards us through enhanced Grace.

And by the way, no Catholic that I know is trying to work their way to heaven in the way you describe… We must act out of love of God and neighbor, and love by the Catholic definition is to do something without expecting any thing in return…
 
Catholics get so tired of Protestants misrepresenting their doctrines (e.g., calling prayer to saints “worship”) and rightly so. But at the same time they do the exact same thing to Protestants, saying that all of us view salvation as a license to sin all we want and to get into Heaven free. It simply isn’t true that we believe this, and it’s a gross perversion and, at this point, I would say purposeful distortion of our beliefs (since over and over Protestants have cleared up our view). It’s … To me, it seems that Protestants are the ones who show themselves to be truly given a new nature in our acknowledgment that our works will not get us into Heaven, but doing them nonetheless because we sincerely love God and desire to please Him. That is truly a new nature, IMO.
Hi Nocode, you remind me of Nathaniel about whom our Lord remarked: “Here comes a true Israelite in whom there is no deceit”. I am glad to share with you these personal facts:
  • We are one happy christian family: me catholic, wife eastern orthodox, my M-i-L who lives with us - protestant
  • We all stand in awe of the theological supremacy of catholics, the steadfast faith of orthodoxies and the genuine christian values of protestants,
  • We have no denominational disputes or differences but only some healthy good intentioned debates and some “lighter vein” criticisms.
 
Hi Nocode, you remind me of Nathaniel about whom our Lord remarked: “Here comes a true Israelite in whom there is no deceit”. I am glad to share with you these personal facts:
  • We are one happy christian family: me catholic, wife eastern orthodox, my M-i-L who lives with us - protestant
  • We all stand in awe of the theological supremacy of catholics, the steadfast faith of orthodoxies and the genuine christian values of protestants,
  • We have no denominational disputes or differences but only some healthy good intentioned debates and some “lighter vein” criticisms.
Beloved of Christ, thank you for sharing.
May the Lord bless your relationships together in Christ…May the fragrance of Christ so radiate from your home that others are drawn to Him…May you be aware of any snare the enemy would try to bring against you in the name of Christ our Lord…It’s Christ in us that is our hope and glory…
 
Catholics get so tired of Protestants misrepresenting their doctrines (e.g., calling prayer to saints “worship”) and rightly so. But at the same time they do the exact same thing to Protestants, saying that all of us view salvation as a license to sin all we want and to get into Heaven free.
I agree it is a problem, but you know, if this heresy did not exist, then we would not be having the problem. It started when some of your spiritual ancestors decided to depart from the Apostolic faith. You are not responsible for that, but we all continue to suffer from the effects of it.
and it’s a gross perversion and, at this point, I would say purposeful distortion of our beliefs (since over and over Protestants have cleared up our view).
I do think it is an incomplete understanding of Calvin’s notion of irresistable grace and perseverance, but it ws a gross perversion when he invented it, all the way up to this point. Also, it is not a purposeful distortion all the time. We have had plenty of Reformed Christians come here and champion this point with us.
How utterly arrogant to think any of us could ever do enough good works to match the righteousness of God (with or without the addition of faith).
Or perhaps just ignorance. Some people just dont’ know any better.
To be honest, I think this speaks volumes more of the sincerity of faith that Protestants have as opposed to the average Catholic who does good works because he’s trying to earn his way to Heaven. The Catholic’s outrage at our belief in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ seems very telling to me—it seems like an indirect way of showing that they are shocked that anyone would actually serve Christ out of love for Him rather than because we are trying to get something out of it (salvation).
This is an interesting rendering that I have never heard before. Have you ever considered that Catholics react because it is a sharp departure from the Apostolic message?

Would you accuse teh Apostles of serving Him because they thought they could earn their way to heaven?

They taught that salvation was available to all, but that the individual had to make a choice,and participate in it. They also taught that grace, faith, and Christ are never “alone” but always found together with other things (and people). Catholics wonder why it was necesary for our separated brethren to try to isolate these theological virtues and to place them “alone”, when the Apostles did not.
It seems like an indirect admission that they are only serving Him because it’s the only way of getting eternal life, not because they actually want to.
I am sure there are nominal Catholics that think this way. However, we believe it is possible to fall from grace, and fail to obtain the inheritance that is kept in heaven for us.
To me, it seems that Protestants are the ones who show themselves to be truly given a new nature in our acknowledgment that our works will not get us into Heaven, but doing them nonetheless because we sincerely love God and desire to please Him. That is truly a new nature, IMO.
You are again painting with too broad of a brush. There are also Protestants who think they can work their way to heaven.

At the bottom line, the problem is the departure from the Apostolic faith.
 
I guess you could label it a work…I label it faith and obedience…Like Abraham and David they understood there was something beyond the law…To obey was better than sacrifice…We just keep going round and round…Arguing over points trying to one up each other…The words "work,(s) seems to be a disconnect…
My brother in Christ, it is not arguing over points, it is devotion to the full teachings of Christ in an effort to provide direction to the information correcting misconceived or misguided interpretations pertaining to those points. I offer the following post I wrote in another thread for your thought. There is a major difference between the “works of the law” which are the works you defend against and works of love scripture tells us we are responsible for. Works of love are those that are expected of us through the teachings of Christ emulating Christ’s life as is humanly possible and are not something a Catholic or any Christian does to “earn” salvation, but rather our response if you will, showing our acceptance of Jesus, not just by an acknowledgment of what He says, but in our actions in all His Word. Jesus proclaimed these words and they are very self explanatory;

Matthew CH25; 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, 32 and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’ 40 And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’ 41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’ 44 Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ 45 He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ 46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

They’re easier referred to as living your life in humility with loving charity toward your fellow man in the Love of Christ. They are works of love, not works of the law. That is your misconception of what Catholics refer to. They are our part of the covenant Jesus made with us with His Blood. One may say we do these works wantingly or automatically. To “want” in itself is a desire based on choice to do (hopefully) what is righteous as apposed to doing what is sinful or not acting at all. Automatically acting is to say we have no choice and we know God always gives us the freedom to choose. In reality, the passage above shows there is a choice.

Going further, all scripture works in unison and for an example one must consider the specific direction as in below;

Ephesians CH4; 1 “I therefore, a prisoner in the Lord, beseech you that you walk worthy of the vocation in which you are called, 2 With all humility and mildness, with patience, supporting one another in charity. 3 Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 One body (the Church) and one Spirit (Holy Spirit); as you are called in one hope of your calling. 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.”

Only One Church, one faith my brother, and any church or teachings in opposition to that one church is not part of that church. Non-Catholic Christians have been separated from the one Church Jesus founded for so long they do not know what they miss in His teachings and have in most cases been significantly misguided in what they have been taught the Catholic Faith is. Yet, a great deal of their beliefs (not all) are the same as the Catholic Faith they were derived from. The more one learns of the Catholic Faith, the more likely they come home to the Church. This is evident in the increasing numbers of conversions by many scholars, preachers, pastors, ministers, elders or what ever title non-Catholic church leaders may be recognized as. This is not to say non-Catholic Christians will not reach salvation, they know nothing other than what they were taught and the salvation of each individual is judged by Our Lord, but there can be no mistake, each will be judged.

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Devotion to Christ is hollow without the willingness to seek the Truth over and above any bias, pride or prejudice and accepting the truth once found. It is he or she who abandons the Catholic Faith who discards salvation, not available to them outside the Church; and it is the non-Catholic Christian who refuses to accept that Truth once found rejecting the bride of Christ, who can not find salvation outside the Universal Church, His Body, His bride. Sadly the non-Catholic who refuses to accept the Truth once found does so out of bias, prejudice and most often, pride. Every Bible regardless of the version contains the books of the Catholic Church regardless of any altered interpretations man has adopted to enter into them in an effort to support his own beliefs and disbeliefs. Beliefs founded on opinions generated more often than not on what that founder of that faith could accept or not accept in the Faith of the Universal Church as has been handed down from the apostles through 2000 years of succession and is historically proven.

1 Corinthians CH1; 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no schisms among you; but that you be perfect in the same mind, and in the same judgment.

One is obliged to ask him or herself; 1. is my faith, as scripture pleads in the name of Jesus Christ, perfect in the same mind as the 2000 year old teachings of our Savior? 2. Do I speak the same things as this 2000 year old faith established by our Lord? 3. Is my judgment grounded on the same teachings of the Church Jesus founded with His blood? If so, one can provide the historical writings of his or her church dating back through the last 2000 years.

But if the answer is no, they are not, the only justification to following a faith established by any mere man or woman in opposition to the warnings scripture gives us would be to show scriptural support for the establishment of that church, or at least scripture support for the “reformation movement” that gave birth to the faith they adopted along with the 30000 other protestant born faiths. But there is no support for these things, rather, warnings they would come to be.

We certainly can provide through scripture those warnings Jesus proclaimed of those who would come along and establish such churches leading many astray through the distorted teachings of deceivers. Jesus died on the cross so that all men MAY be saved, not would be saved. The rest is up to each individual to live according to His word.

But let us make a learning experience of the search of the complete teachings of our Lord. If you are truly devoted to our Messiah, you would be most open to learning what the truth is and embracing it regardless of where that may lead you, even beyond bias pride or any prejudice.
 
Justification is grounded in the notion of Adoption. To be part of God’s family, we must be Adopted, receiving the Holy Spirit of Adoption in our souls. Nothing we do can “buy” this adoption, no “works”, no nothing, it’s a gracious adoption that we never deserved but God will give to those who humbly ask Him.

Now, once we’re adopted, we’re called to grow into spiritually mature children, growing up to receive our Father’s inheritance which we as adopted children are entitled to. This is done by ‘good works’. On the other hand, we can repudiate and lose our adoption, and thus loose our rights as children, through grave sin. Grave sin, mortal sin, is effectively saying “I don’t want to be an adopted child anymore.”

The Protestant notion of justification has confused and perverted this, grounding justification on the notion of passing an exam. Since we cannot pass the exam, the Protestant says Jesus passed it for us, keeping the Law perfectly in our place. (Something the Bible never teaches) As a result, they believe God gives us a “passing grade” to enter into Heaven. At this point, it logically makes no sense that our ‘works’ play any role in getting to heaven, since God already “Passed” us based on Christ’s perfect test score. THIS is why Protestants object to “works”. While this is logical in many ways, it is not Biblical at all.
I disagree with your “Protestant notion” of justification being based on Jesus keeping the Law for us. Scripture explicitly states that no man is justified by works of the Law - that would include vicarious Law keeping as well (Rom. 3:20; 27, 28; Gal. 2:16; 3:2).

Jesus was born a Jew and therefore “born under the Law” (Gal. 4:4-5). As the unblemished “Lamb of God” He kept the Law perfectly. But that had to do with His perfection, not our salvation. Salvation is not through vicarious Law keeping but through the sacrifice of God’s unblemished Lamb who bore our sins in His body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21) where He died “to” those sins, once for all (Rom. 6:10). Salvation now being “by GRACE,” “through FAITH” (not Law keeping) in Him alone (Eph. 2:8-9).

There is no salvation in Law keeping, not even vicariously. Nor is it revealed that Christ kept the Law “for us.” But rather that He bore our sins in His body and died to them and was subsequently raised to new life so that all who BELIEVE in Him receive forgiveness of all sins (Acts 10:43; 13:38) and eternal life (Jn. 3:14-18; 5:24; Rom. 6:23).Rom 3:21-24 “But now apart from law {the} righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even {the} righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all sinned and (continually) fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;”

Rom 3:27-28 “Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.”

Rom 4:4-5 “Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
 
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