Faithful Citizenship (USCCB)

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People here don’t like that document…they prefer the vitrolic one put out by catholic answers that pretty much should say “I’m a shill for the republican party” on the back.
 
LOL. You Democrats are always so cantankerous.

Your first point, though, is true enough. People here don’t like Faithful Citizenship because, like most documents from the USCCB, it is bland, verbose and inconclusive. Case in point, they place ‘Protecting Human Life’ and ‘Practicing Global Solidarity’ under the same title of ‘Moral Priorities.’

Working to end the legalized genocide of millions in the womb and providing “more consistent political and financial support for appropriate United Nations programs” are equivalent “moral priorities” at the voting booth. . .Uh huh.

For a real Catholic voter’s guide, click here:

caaction.com/pdf/Voters-Guide-Catholic-English-1p.pdf
 
QuoVadis said:
LOL. You Democrats are always so cantankerous.

Your first point, though, is true enough. People here don’t like Faithful Citizenship because, like most documents from the USCCB, it is bland, verbose and inconclusive. Case in point, they place ‘Protecting Human Life’ and ‘Practicing Global Solidarity’ under the same title of ‘Moral Priorities.’

Working to end the legalized genocide of millions in the womb and providing “more consistent political and financial support for appropriate United Nations programs” are equivalent “moral priorities” at the voting booth. . .Uh huh.

For a real Catholic voter’s guide, click here:

caaction.com/pdf/Voters-Guide-Catholic-English-1p.pdf

Perhaps a more accurate slogan on the back of this guide, Frommi, could be, “Warning! Do not vote for evil politicians (typically found in the Democratic Party).”
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Here’s an example:
How will we address the tragic fact that more than 30,000 children die every day as a result of hunger, international debt, and lack of development around the world, as well as the fact that the younger you are, the more likely you are to be poor here in the richest nation on Earth?
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Wait a minute here – I know children die from hunger, but how do they die of “international debt and lack of development?”

Almost everyone on these forums is in debt – home mortgages, car loans, credit card bills. How come debt doesn’t kill us?

The answer is simple, international debt and lack of development are not the killers here – they are the consequences of people living under brutal, corrupt dictators who steal the money advanced as loans (which should have been used for economic development). They use some of the money to rivet tighter the chains on their people.

And how is all that related to poverty in the United States?

Let’s re-write that paragraph
How will we address the tragic fact that more than 30,000 children die every day as a result of hunger, brought about by corrupt and brutal dictatorships around the world?
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How will we address the fact that the younger you are, the more likely you are to be poor here in the richest nation on Earth?
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frommi said:
People here don’t like that document…they prefer the vitrolic one put out by catholic answers that pretty much should say “I’m a shill for the republican party” on the back.
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Vitrolic? The Catholic Answers’ Voters Guide pretty much presented the Church’s teaching on the more visible and controversial topics. If that’s vitrolic, then the Church’s teaching is vitrolic, not the mere presentation and quoting of it.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
irenaeus1 said:
Vitrolic? The Catholic Answers’ Voters Guide pretty much presented the Church’s teaching on the more visible and controversial topics. If that’s vitrolic, then the Church’s teaching is vitrolic, not the mere presentation and quoting of it.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
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That document did nothing more than decide that it knew better than the bishops of this country how to explain Catholic teaching in reference to voting.

It’s another example of a small but fervent minority in our church who will kick and scream to get their way when the hierarchy doesn’t listen to their childish tantrums.
 
I read someplace that after the release of the first voters guide from Catholic Answers someone (perhaps Mr. Keating or Mr. Akins) were quoted as saying they “weren’t aware” of the USCCB document.

Whether or not that is true (I can dig up the quote), the bottom line is that thoughtful Catholics should read both and listen to their conscience.

With the emergence of the torture issue, we have an abortion type of issue for the right. The Cathecism is very clear on this as a moral evil. Conservatives are parsing words to the extend that would make Clinton proud. People on this forum and types like Bill O’Reilly make is sound like a few minutes of loud music only hurts sissies. Well, sleep deprivation for one night is one thing, but for day on end is quite another - while in a stress position no doubt. The overly dramatic straw man of torture one person to save many argument is something so unlikely one should pray for a lighting bolt to kill bin Laden.

The Cathecism is clear. YOU DON"T TORTURE EVER.

Let’s be clear on this. If a Repbulican or Democrat supports torture, you must not vote for them.

In Christ,

Chris
 
frommi said:
That document did nothing more than decide that it knew better than the bishops of this country how to explain Catholic teaching in reference to voting.

It’s another example of a small but fervent minority in our church who will kick and scream to get their way when the hierarchy doesn’t listen to their childish tantrums.
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No, this is your obvious bias. The quoting of the Catechism or other official Church documents is not claiming to know better than the bishops. To select topics that were the most visible and controversial (the same issues covered by the secular media, by the way) was the focus which is also not any claim to know better than the bishops.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
irenaeus1 said:
No, this is your obvious bias. The quoting of the Catechism or other official Church documents is not claiming to know better than the bishops. To select topics that were the most visible and controversial (the same issues covered by the secular media, by the way) was the focus which is also not any claim to know better than the bishops.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
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No…the document takes the catechism and turns it into some kind of flag waving myopic piece of bashing against candidates for public office.
 
The use of terms like “Demoncrats” is specifically prohibited by forum rules. Also, the topic of this thread is the statement published by the USCCB, not the CAA Voters’ Guide. All posts violating forum rules or attempting to highjack the thread have been edited or removed.

If the name calling and other violations continue, the thread will be closed and suspensions may be passed out to the violators.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Walt
 
Truly, I can hardly tell a difference between a document from the USCCB and one from some liberal Episcopalian conference. Ignore this document, for the good of your soul, and get the Catholic Answers voting guide, which lays it out strait.
 
I paid $6.00 for the Faithful Citizenship booklet. I considered is
money and time wasted, (I also attended the workshop explaining
it.) One half of the session was done by one priest (very good and
non-political) and the other half was done by another priest who
was the complete opposite and literally told us there was no
difference in abortion and “soladarity with the poor” as far as
voting issues. Most of us were polite,(even though he was on the
borderline of rudeness when he received questions given very
respectfully.) and some left at the break and never came back.
The booklet is more confusing than explanatory. Oh,yes, there
was also a fee for the workshop!!!
The saddest thing is that we had some non-catholics there. They
were even more confused because here they knew the Catholic
Church was so strongly pro-life and they were hearing the same
as the liberals churches they had left because of it. (They were
non-denomination evangelicals—their definition)
 
Faithful Citizenship (USCCB)

Yet another ambigious item from the USCCB.

Sort of whiney in tone, hand rings about problems, yet provides no solutions, and ends up giving cover to pro abortion politicians.
 
I had someone recommend this to me the other day. The 2003 document made me very uncomfortable. I wouldn’t say it contained error but it was so vague and rambling that it seemed you could use it to support almost any position at all. :confused:

The document linked is dated Sept. 2003 and says that the USCCB issues a similar doc every four years. Is there a new version I am missing?
 
Corki said:
I had someone recommend this to me the other day. The 2003 document made me very uncomfortable. I wouldn’t say it contained error but it was so vague and rambling that it seemed you could use it to support almost any position at all. :confused:

The document linked is dated Sept. 2003 and says that the USCCB issues a similar doc every four years. Is there a new version I am missing?
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I think there is a new edition, not version, for each election. They all read about the same. They prove that a camel is a horse put together by a committee.

As someone once pointed out, they would say more if they said less.
 
Joe_Kelley said:
As someone once pointed out, they would say more if they said less.
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At the time of the last big election we ordered copies of the Voters Guide for Serious Catholics and as an appeasement were going to get Faithful Citizenship too. Our pastor told us not to get FC, not because he objected to the content, but because he said no one would read it, that it was too wordy and you had to work to hard to get to the point. He thought it would be a waste of money.
 
As I have asked before, will someone please explain what this sentence from Faithful Citizenship means?
  1. How will we address the tragic fact that more than 30,000 children die every day as a result of hunger, international debt, and lack of development around the world, as well as the fact that the younger you are, the more likely you are to be poor here in the richest nation on Earth?
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Faithful Citizenship is one of the most confused, convoluted documents I have ever read.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Faithful Citizenship is one of the most confused, convoluted documents I have ever read.
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It is an amazing state of affairs when new documents released by the USCCB are so regularly met with resigned sighs and eyes rolling back in one’s head. The fact that most of their pronouncements merit this reaction is undeniable, but it is nonetheless a sad indictment of our bishops.

Ender
 
Those who prefer the Faithful Citizenship document should follow that. Those who prefer the Catholic Answers presentation should use that to help them make decisions as to how to vote as Catholics.

I’ll not join in any dissection of either document myself. Neither dictates to us. They are guides.
 
Richardols said:
Those who prefer the Faithful Citizenship document should follow that. Those who prefer the Catholic Answers presentation should use that to help them make decisions as to how to vote as Catholics.

I’ll not join in any dissection of either document myself. Neither dictates to us. They are guides.
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The problem is, how do you follow Faithful Citizenship? It goes around in circles, links things that have no logical connection, and provides no direction at all.
 
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