Faithful Citizenship (USCCB)

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It is an amazing state of affairs when new documents released by the USCCB are so regularly met with resigned sighs and eyes rolling back in one’s head. The fact that most of their pronouncements merit this reaction is undeniable, but it is nonetheless a sad indictment of our bishops.

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The problem is, I don’t know anyone who disagrees with Faithful Citizenship. They just don’t understand it.

If I had had that document developed under contract, I would not pay the contractor – and would be suing for return of any money paid in advance.
 
Those who prefer the Faithful Citizenship document should follow that. Those who prefer the Catholic Answers presentation should use that to help them make decisions as to how to vote as Catholics.

I’ll not join in any dissection of either document myself. Neither dictates to us. They are guides.
Actually, the USCCB formally rejects the CA voting guide as too partisan and narrowly focused.
 
The problem is, I don’t know anyone who disagrees with Faithful Citizenship. They just don’t understand it.

If I had had that document developed under contract, I would not pay the contractor – and would be suing for return of any money paid in advance.
Part of that is because Catholic Theology is not cut and dry in today’s world. There are not easy answers or applications, as life is not always easy to apply things to. It is complicated material for a complicated world and does not fit in cleanly with any political doctrines.
 
Actually, the USCCB formally rejects the CA voting guide as too partisan and narrowly focused.
citation, please

I know the USCCB was stongly recommending Faithful Citizenship instead of the Voter’s Guide and that a few bishops “banned” the VG but I never heard of any formal action on the part of the USCCB.
 
That’s all I could find either. Not only did those articles not include any formal action on the part of the USCCB, they were both from 2004 and before the 2006 version of the Voters Guide.
Though the USCCB has discouraged use of this new guide, it has been circulated by at least one major archdiocese and thousands of parishes, according to the publisher.
Birnbaum said the “listing of issues is too narrow to pass legal muster” according to the provisions of the tax code that govern non-profit organizations like churches. He said that a voter guide from the Wisconsin Catholic Conference that had not yet been published at the time the letter was written was the “only guide we believe is safe to distribute or rely upon at the parish level.”
I especially like this quote. Evidently in LaCrosse, even Faithful Citizenship isn’t “safe to distribute”. 😃
 
That is what you can interpret by their actions.

cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=31706
Article excerpt:
“Faithful Citizenship,” a document issued by the lay staff of the USCCB, has been criticized even within the Church for placing the paramount issue of abortion on a level playing field with other lesser issues like promoting “social justice” and “global solidarity.” Bob Laird, director of the Family Life Office of the Diocese of Arlington, Virginia, said, “It equates abortion with debt relief. They are not equal.” Critics charge that the document has had the effect of minimizing the importance of abortion in Catholic social teaching. The USCCB is also set to release its staff-produced presidential questionnaire which has faced similar charges.
Article excerpt:
“Faithful Citizenship” has been criticized even within the Church for placing the paramount issue of abortion on the same moral plane with lesser issues like promoting “social justice” and “global solidarity.” Bob Laird, Director of the Family Life Office of the Diocese of Arlington, Virginia, said, “It equates abortion with debt relief. They are not equal.”
BTW – The concern is strictly by the lawyers over the “narrow” range of identified issues that may provide legal venue to question the non-exempt tax status of church’s who distribute the CA and Sunday Visitor voting guides. Note: It has nothing to do with the moral authority of these two voting guides.
 
Part of that is because Catholic Theology is not cut and dry in today’s world. There are not easy answers or applications, as life is not always easy to apply things to. It is complicated material for a complicated world and does not fit in cleanly with any political doctrines.
It has nothing to do with theology – there isn’t so much as a comma of theology in the following passage:
How will we address the tragic fact that more than 30,000 children die every day as a result of hunger, international debt, and lack of development around the world, as well as the fact that the younger you are, the more likely you are to be poor here in the richest nation on Earth?
Wait a minute here – I know children die from hunger, but how do they die of “international debt and lack of development?”

Almost everyone on these forums is in debt – home mortgages, car loans, credit card bills. How come debt doesn’t kill us?

The answer is simple, international debt and lack of development are not the killers here – they are the consequences of people living under brutal, corrupt dictators who steal the money advanced as loans (which should have been used for economic development). They use some of the money to rivet tighter the chains on their people.

This paragraph points us in the wrong direction (in the sense that it points us in any direction at all) – it blaims abstractions (international debt and “lack of development”) for the problems. If we can’t define the problems, how can we ever solve them?

And how is all that related to poverty in the United States? Poverty in the United States is of a different character, entirely – and is mostly related to lack of education, drugs and out-of-wedlock births.
 
The problem is, how do you follow Faithful Citizenship? It goes around in circles, links things that have no logical connection, and provides no direction at all.
There are those who do, even if you believe it provides no direction. If you are more comfortable with the Voters’ Guide, run with it.

As an aside, I doubt that there are many people on this Forum who find it necessary to rely on either guide. Folks are going to vote either Republican or Democrat, I sense that they’ve already made up their minds which they’ll choose, and gauging by the tone of posts on various topics, I think that most are going GOP.
 
There are those who do, even if you believe it provides no direction.
After reading that sentence, it all comes clear. You wrote Faithful Citizenship, didn’t you?😃
As an aside, I doubt that there are many people on this Forum who find it necessary to rely on either guide. Folks are going to vote either Republican or Democrat, I sense that they’ve already made up their minds which they’ll choose, and gauging by the tone of posts on various topics, I think that most are going GOP.
The people I am focussing on are not the readers, but the writers of that gibberish. The Bishops should be able to give us much clearer guidance and direction. And when you read something as poorly thought out and written as that, it makes you wonder about the thought processes of the writers.
 
After reading that sentence, it all comes clear. You wrote Faithful Citizenship, didn’t you?😃
Found me out! But, they didn’t pay me enough to warrant my letting them use my name under the title.
The people I am focussing on are not the readers, but the writers of that gibberish. The Bishops should be able to give us much clearer guidance and direction. And when you read something as poorly thought out and written as that, it makes you wonder about the thought processes of the writers.
Okay, now I follow you.
 
This November 12-15 the bishops will meet in Baltimore for their annual fall General Assembly conference where another version of Faithful Citizenship will be voted on. I don’t know about anyone else but I’m just all aquiver with excitement.

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This November 12-15 the bishops will meet in Baltimore for their annual fall General Assembly conference where another version of Faithful Citizenship will be voted on. I don’t know about anyone else but I’m just all aquiver with excitement.

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They have a new Communications Director – I’ve communicated with her on the net – but how much she’ll be able to do, I don’t know.
 
bad catholic said:
"this excellent set of information from the USCCB."

There ain’t no such animal.
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Ender:
It is an amazing state of affairs when new documents released by the USCCB are so regularly met with resigned sighs and eyes rolling back in one’s head. The fact that most of their pronouncements merit this reaction is undeniable, but it is nonetheless a sad indictment of our bishops.
I wish it could be said that they at least take a stand on something. But, they don’t. The days of Cardinal Spellman are long past.
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NewUlm1976_2000:
Part of that is because Catholic Theology is not cut and dry in today’s world. There are not easy answers or applications, as life is not always easy to apply things to.
Balderdash. The dichotomy here is not the theology vs. “today’s world”, it’s the theology vs. our demand that everything be easy, convenient, non-offensive, and doesn’t cost us anything. If it’s something that’s going to be difficult for us to do, or heaven forbid, even embarassing, we cloud it with so many murky curtains of false smoke, then sit back and say, "Oh, but this issue is so complex!"

No, it isn’t. It comes down to this: do you adhere to what Rome tells you to do, or not?
 
The primary purpose of Faithful Citizenship is to protect the six-o’clock position of “Catholic” politicians who refuse to oppose abortion etc.

While is appears to be prepared and issued by the lay staff of USCCB, the Bishops sign off on it and are responsibel for the poor teaching and scandal. As has come out in testamony by some bishops in the abuse cases, they seem to have a hard time understanding where the buck stops.
 
The primary purpose of Faithful Citizenship is to protect the six-o’clock position of “Catholic” politicians who refuse to oppose abortion etc.

While is appears to be prepared and issued by the lay staff of USCCB, the Bishops sign off on it and are responsibel for the poor teaching and scandal. As has come out in testamony by some bishops in the abuse cases, they seem to have a hard time understanding where the buck stops.
“Don’t look at us – it was our advisors!”:rolleyes:
 
"The primary purpose of Faithful Citizenship is to protect the six-o’clock position of “Catholic” politicians who refuse to oppose abortion etc.

While is appears to be prepared and issued by the lay staff of USCCB, the Bishops sign off on it and are responsibel for the poor teaching and scandal. As has come out in testamony by some bishops in the abuse cases, they seem to have a hard time understanding where the buck stops."

Joe-imho and meaningless opinion you are dead on. The language of the FC is post modern and topically cultural, and hardly scriptural or theological. It’s something which appears written by a lefty college professor. And, as you point out that it appears written and prepared by the crack lay staff at the USCCB, the bishops become what they hire and their most recent hire of Kathy Sailes as their own Domestic Policy Director should indicate the political inclinations of the document.
 
"The primary purpose of Faithful Citizenship is to protect the six-o’clock position of “Catholic” politicians who refuse to oppose abortion etc.

While is appears to be prepared and issued by the lay staff of USCCB, the Bishops sign off on it and are responsibel for the poor teaching and scandal. As has come out in testamony by some bishops in the abuse cases, they seem to have a hard time understanding where the buck stops."

Joe-imho and meaningless opinion you are dead on. The language of the FC is post modern and topically cultural, and hardly scriptural or theological. It’s something which appears written by a lefty college professor. And, as you point out that it appears written and prepared by the crack lay staff at the USCCB, the bishops become what they hire and their most recent hire of Kathy Sailes as their own Domestic Policy Director should indicate the political inclinations of the document.
How does the use of ad hominems support your proposition?
 
I fail to see any ad hominem except in the addled use of the term to suppress expression of an informed viewpoint as opposed to a “proposition”. I proposed nothing. Moreover, to the extent you detect rhetorical expression of that view whether by metaphor or latent sarcasm, it is not the same as an ad hominem. Such a phrase is so overused to suggest your own difference of opinion.
 
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