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I wanted to get everyone’s opinion on why most adult Catholics fall away from the Church. Do you think it poor Catholic education and they do not really know what the Church believes? Could it be that they have an issue with certain moral issues such as abortion? I appreciate evryones opinion.

God Bless,
 
Don’t know if you want a non-Catholic opinion but I did read several books in grad school about churches that retain or do not retain members. The sample group was evangelical and Protestant but I believe the results could still be transferable.
Churches that keep people do so because they have a means of instructing their congregation (parish in your case I believe) about the fundamentals of the faith. Next, it also indicated that people that have a personal connection or some form of ministry in their church tend to stay. That can be a teaching or an outreach program to help others.They feel valued and contribute in some way to the church and its ministry.
On a personal level, the fallen away Catholics that I talked to do not tend to know their own faith very well; in fact I know more about it I believe than they did. That would validate the first one, instruction in their faith, based upon my own anecdotal experiences.
 
I wanted to get everyone’s opinion on why most adult Catholics fall away from the Church.
Do you think it poor Catholic education and they do not really know what the Church believes?
That’s a big part of it. People are not taught the Faith adequately as children, and when they are adults and able to make their own decisions on whether or not to practice the Faith, they realize that it isn’t something they really *enjoy *doing, and nobody has given them a satisfying reason to do it anyway.
Could it be that they have an issue with certain moral issues such as abortion?
This could be a factor, but there are many people who want to stay Catholic who disagree with the Church when it comes to certain moral issues. I don’t think this really is that big of a factor.
 
There are, of course, many different reasons.

I believe many Catholics who fall away from the Church do so because, while growing up Catholic, the faith was not integrated into their home life. Faith was never “who” they were, but “what” they did… and that only on Sundays.

I believe another good number fall away because there is a particular activity they are intent on doing that the Church says is wrong. This is usually related to sexual morality or divorce and remarriage. They find a religious denomination which is willing to tell them that what they are doing is “ok” and they are a “good person.” Or, they move into no religion at all, freeing up Sunday for all those important things like football.

Another good portion leave the Church because they meet “the one” and that “one” is a protestant and the Catholic is either subsequently convinced that the Catholic Church is false or that it’s just easier to go along with the spouse’s religion.

Those are the donimant reasons. And then there are all the other reasons.
 
I am kind of an odd duck. I converted to Catholicism as an adult and was sufficiently Catechized. My problems started when a woman was excommunicated for procuring an abortion for her 9 year old daughter who was pregnant with twins. If the twins were carried to the point of viability there was less than an 10 percent chance that any of the three would survive, from what I read. But, the step-father, who spent three years raping the girl, was not excommunicated. When I heard of this, I began to doubt that this church actually represented Christ. So, I started to look into the reformation and other issues and I consistently found that the Catholic teachings in relation to these issues was not an accurate representation of what actually happened. So, I looked into the Sacraments and their institutions and discovered that Jesus did not actually institute all the Sacraments and the Catholic Church teaches that he did. This contradiction in the core teachings was enough to drive me away.

It is important to note that nothing really came from without here. Everything that drove me away came from within.

Also, I’m not going to argue if my perceptions are correct or not on this thread. The OP wanted to know why people left so that is all I will talk about on this thread. I will be glad to clarify things, but I will not defend them as that would be off topic.
 
I wanted to get everyone’s opinion on why most adult Catholics fall away from the Church. Do you think it poor Catholic education and they do not really know what the Church believes? Could it be that they have an issue with certain moral issues such as abortion? I appreciate evryones opinion.

God Bless,
There are some who fall off the train because, they say, that there isn’t enough community and “things to do” in the Church. That’s obviously not a big margin of them, but, hey, everyone counts.
 
QUOTE=BrianH;5703027]Don’t know if you want a non-Catholic opinion but I did read several books in grad school about churches that retain or do not retain members. The sample group was evangelical and Protestant but I believe the results could still be transferable.
Churches that keep people do so because they have a means of instructing their congregation (parish in your case I believe) about the fundamentals of the faith. Next, it also indicated that people that have a personal connection or some form of ministry in their church tend to stay. That can be a teaching or an outreach program to help others.They feel valued and contribute in some way to the church and its ministry.
On a personal level, the fallen away Catholics that I talked to do not tend to know their own faith very well; in fact I know more about it I believe than they did. That would validate the first one, instruction in their faith, based upon my own anecdotal experiences.
Thank you BrianH, that was very informative.
 
Don’t know if you want a non-Catholic opinion but I did read several books in grad school about churches that retain or do not retain members. The sample group was evangelical and Protestant but I believe the results could still be transferable.
Churches that keep people do so because they have a means of instructing their congregation (parish in your case I believe) about the fundamentals of the faith. Next, it also indicated that people that have a personal connection or some form of ministry in their church tend to stay. That can be a teaching or an outreach program to help others.They feel valued and contribute in some way to the church and its ministry.
On a personal level, the fallen away Catholics that I talked to do not tend to know their own faith very well; in fact I know more about it I believe than they did. That would validate the first one, instruction in their faith, based upon my own anecdotal experiences.
Your opinion is valued and I think pretty close to the truth for most Catholics I know that fall away.
A few do things they are guilty about which are against church teachings and leave from guilt but I think those are small in number but the teaching on contraception might drive more away than I know
 
I am kind of an odd duck. I converted to Catholicism as an adult and was sufficiently Catechized. My problems started when a woman was excommunicated for procuring an abortion for her 9 year old daughter who was pregnant with twins. If the twins were carried to the point of viability there was less than an 10 percent chance that any of the three would survive, from what I read. But, the step-father, who spent three years raping the girl, was not excommunicated. When I heard of this, I began to doubt that this church actually represented Christ. So, I started to look into the reformation and other issues and I consistently found that the Catholic teachings in relation to these issues was not an accurate representation of what actually happened. So, I looked into the Sacraments and their institutions and discovered that Jesus did not actually institute all the Sacraments and the Catholic Church teaches that he did. This contradiction in the core teachings was enough to drive me away.

It is important to note that nothing really came from without here. Everything that drove me away came from within.

Also, I’m not going to argue if my perceptions are correct or not on this thread. The OP wanted to know why people left so that is all I will talk about on this thread. I will be glad to clarify things, but I will not defend them as that would be off topic.
We thanks you for your post and thank you for your honesty. Wish you luck and will pray for you.
 
I think folks fall away for several reasons: 1) they are not catechised. They do not come to know how to pray and to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and not knowing Him, they cannot love Him as they might have, 2) they do not believe Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist for if they do love Him and do believe that He is really and truly present, then how can they leave Him? 3) Do not want to follow the commandments particularly the 6th and 9th and so go elsewhere so their chosen (sinful) lifestyle is accepted…think any sexual relationship outside valid marriage.

There are also some other things: many have been scandallized by the serious sinners in the church. Yet this has always been the case! The church does ‘grow’ saints but there are also many grevious sinners and when they represent Christ to us, for example, and have a grave fall, there are those who cannot see past that. There are those who have been victimized or disillusioned.

But I can never leave. Never. THIS is the faith worth living and worth dying for! Here the fullness of truth resides in spite of all that sinful man can do. I want to live the sacramental life for as long as I live. I want my sins forgiven in confession and I wish to receive Our Lord daily in Holy Communion and spend time at the Blessed Sacrament with Him. I cannot have that anywhere else that makes it up as they go along. Look at what is happening in some of the churches where they vote on what is their ‘truth’ this year and those who do not like it just go and start a new church to their own liking.

As Americans we do not like being told what to do. The very commandments can itch and chafe and the Church does indeed stand behind them. Yet Our Lord was obedient unto death. Our Lord started the Catholic Church and put Peter in charge and there has been a Pope as successor to Peter for 2000 years. Here is the fullness of faith and I do not want bits and pieces; I want it all. The faith is so rich and full that I can strive to plumb the depths my whole life but never will.

I love being a Catholic. It is worth everything!
 
Another reason why Catholics fall away is that they don’t understand the purpose of the Mass and why it is as it is. They can compare to other churches who tickle their ears with good music and preaching and have friends there, but I think it comes down to a “feeling”. I “feel” good about it. Many don’t understand that the Mass is not entertainment, but about worship and they have no connection to the form of worship practiced by Christ’s Church throughout the centuries.

mdcpensive1
 
Another reason why Catholics fall away is that they don’t understand the purpose of the Mass and why it is as it is. They can compare to other churches who tickle their ears with good music and preaching and have friends there, but I think it comes down to a “feeling”. I “feel” good about it. Many don’t understand that the Mass is not entertainment, but about worship and they have no connection to the form of worship practiced by Christ’s Church throughout the centuries.

mdcpensive1
Lamb’s Supper by Scott Hahn should be required reading for all Catholics.
 
I believe many Catholics who fall away from the Church do so because, while growing up Catholic, the faith was not integrated into their home life. Faith was never “who” they were, but “what” they did… and that only on Sundays.
Churches that keep people do so because they have a means of instructing their congregation (parish in your case I believe) about the fundamentals of the faith. Next, it also indicated that people that have a personal connection or some form of ministry in their church tend to stay. That can be a teaching or an outreach program to help others.They feel valued and contribute in some way to the church and its ministry.
There is some real wisdom in both of these, and do you notice how they seem to correlate? Except for the people who have issue with something like contraception or perhaps a personal beef with a priest, I would speculate the above reasons account for just about all the rest.

One of the things I have noticed over the years, living in many different parishes, is that churches have many ministries and activities and advertise them in the church bulletin only. So people can see they exist, even see the appeals for help with them, but still know nothing at all about them. In one parish, where I thought they did an excellent job (and incidentally never seemed to lack people to help), they would from time to time have the people in charge of these ministries give a short presentation after Mass in the parish hall. Folks could go get a cuppa coffee and actually learn what they did, meet the people doing it, and see examples of the good it accomplished. It was far more effective than just a name and phone number in the bulletin.

The other point about faith not being integrated into home life is also true. If parents don’t make the time to get involved beyond just going to Mass when they have to, the kids aren’t going to be any different most likely. And certainly if they don’t themselves live up to the teachings of the faith, kids will learn that like they do every other behavior. When they reach late teen age and faith has to compete with music videos, movies, video games, and social life, faith won’t have a chance if it’s been treated as nothing more than a necessary periodic requirement like changing the oil in the car.
 
Because singles are ignored, that’s why. It’s not disagreement with moral issues. It’s because singles are treated like second-class citizens. That’s why. All singles get is a token pat on the head, like “oh, that’s a vocation: being single is a vocation.” I don’t think people understand how demeaning and patronizing that attitude is. Accordingly, that is why SINGLE Catholics leave the Church. Maybe 2010 or 2011 can be Year of The Single and some of those fallen-away SINGLE Catholics can be called home to Rome, too.
 
Lamb’s Supper by Scott Hahn should be required reading for all Catholics.
Thanks Drawmack, that was a good suggestion especially to tie in the Mass with Revelation. I have read the book and it is good. (a christmas present)

mdcpensive1
 
Thanks Drawmack, that was a good suggestion especially to tie in the Mass with Revelation. I have read the book and it is good. (a christmas present)

mdcpensive1
To really appreciate the book set aside a day and read it in one sitting. I read it while I was on a 16 hour bus trip.
 
I wanted to get everyone’s opinion on why most adult Catholics fall away from the Church. Do you think it poor Catholic education and they do not really know what the Church believes? Could it be that they have an issue with certain moral issues such as abortion? I appreciate evryones opinion.
Interesting question. Myself, I was raised in the Lutheran Church, although I now attend Mass every Sunday with my Catholic wife. My mother, however, was raised in a very Catholic family. She left the Church when she was in her mid-twenties to marry my non-Catholic father. My understanding is that in those days, getting permission to marry a non-Catholic was next to impossible - and there was no way my (unfortunately) anti-Catholic father was going to convert. Sadly, my mother had a very serious case of “Catholic guilt,” and she was tortured by her decision to leave the Church right up until the day she died. (A situation which my grandmother never missed a chance to aggravate, right up to the day that SHE died.) Interestingly, of my mother’s four siblings, only one remained a Catholic (although another returned to the Church very late in life).
 
Because singles are ignored, that’s why. It’s not disagreement with moral issues. It’s because singles are treated like second-class citizens. That’s why. All singles get is a token pat on the head, like “oh, that’s a vocation: being single is a vocation.” I don’t think people understand how demeaning and patronizing that attitude is. Accordingly, that is why SINGLE Catholics leave the Church. Maybe 2010 or 2011 can be Year of The Single and some of those fallen-away SINGLE Catholics can be called home to Rome, too.
havana1, can you please elaborate on this? I am not sure I understand what you mean when you say singles are ignored, and I would be interested to hear your views on how they are ignored. I don’t think I ever remember feeling ignored back when I was single, so maybe I’m not looking at the same things you are.

With the “oh, that’s a vocation…” thing, what was this said in response to? An expression of frustration? A desire for more activities, or? I am sorry you felt mistreated.

I’d also be interested in hearing any possible solutions you might have that could help keep disenchanted singles in the church.
 
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